Bimini to leader knot
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Spool-Song
Sealiner
So if I understand this correctly its basically a tight wrap of braid around the mainline and leader. That's pretty cool. You should make a Youtube video of this.
Stefan Engelbrecht
Sealiner
Wait, you lost me at the second FG...
Is it an FG over and FG?
Looks neat and slick!
Is it an FG over and FG?
Looks neat and slick!
I have no experience with fg's failing, but I'd feel a bit better with a windon, especially with the lines and leader thickness described. Those knots going through the guides cast after cast, and then possibly sliding, and possibly getting involved in a long fight and bricks involved. The lines you using should not fail, everything should part well above 50-60 lbs which is stronger than your mainline. If I had to try something similar I'd probably try get a small loop coming of the leader, maybe attaching each loose end straight to leader with fg,s or even better pr knot. That way your braid is doubled on both leader and mono, and each strand of braid is only ever under half the pressure that it is currently under, meaning much less chance of slipping. You could also then catpaw it to the .60 which cannot slip. The doubled braid would also allow you to use a much thinner braid to achieve the same strength, and it should knot better if using a grip type knot like an fg. But like I said in theory your connection should never part.
Thanks for the replies, that's why I posted to get some feedback.
For those that don't know how to tie an FG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk
Stefan, I basically tie the FG to the leader and then with the tag end of the first FG tie the second FG to a FG to the bimini.
Trevour I'm playing around with the doubling up idea as well. Will keep you guys up to date with how it works.
I agree in theory it should work... but still need to properly test it.
For those that don't know how to tie an FG https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzUb5QRKuk
Stefan, I basically tie the FG to the leader and then with the tag end of the first FG tie the second FG to a FG to the bimini.
Trevour I'm playing around with the doubling up idea as well. Will keep you guys up to date with how it works.
I agree in theory it should work... but still need to properly test it.
This is interesting.
My comments are as such,
Why the bimini in this? If a properly tied FG is good, why do we need to double up and add more knots to something that could be more simpler? Maybe I havent understood it properly.
I use the FG in 2 different cases, maybe this will help with regards fails,
I have mono mainline with a braided leader.
I have braid with a Flouro leader.
Braided leader, the locking wraps are being cast through the guides first, tends to unravel a bit, so the slick plait is following.
Flouro leader, the slick plait is being cast through the guides first, locking wraps following. This is much better and the unravelling less.
Its not the knot unravelling really , its the tag end of the braid which unravels really, so if you can take care of that you shouldnt have a problem. Im fishing the same FG knot now the whole season on my one rod. After every few sessions, cut the frayed braid tag, add just a touch of superglue, good as new.
The FG, in simple terms, is just that, a simple leader to braid knot, when used for other stuff, its not really being used properly. The whole concept is, the tighter you pull, the tighter the braid bites into the leader, if you prevent this happening with other knots introduced, it will be all but useless.
The more fish you hook, or get stuck up on the bricks, the tighter that knot pulls, so hook more fish..it helps...!!!.....
My comments are as such,
Why the bimini in this? If a properly tied FG is good, why do we need to double up and add more knots to something that could be more simpler? Maybe I havent understood it properly.
I use the FG in 2 different cases, maybe this will help with regards fails,
I have mono mainline with a braided leader.
I have braid with a Flouro leader.
Braided leader, the locking wraps are being cast through the guides first, tends to unravel a bit, so the slick plait is following.
Flouro leader, the slick plait is being cast through the guides first, locking wraps following. This is much better and the unravelling less.
Its not the knot unravelling really , its the tag end of the braid which unravels really, so if you can take care of that you shouldnt have a problem. Im fishing the same FG knot now the whole season on my one rod. After every few sessions, cut the frayed braid tag, add just a touch of superglue, good as new.
The FG, in simple terms, is just that, a simple leader to braid knot, when used for other stuff, its not really being used properly. The whole concept is, the tighter you pull, the tighter the braid bites into the leader, if you prevent this happening with other knots introduced, it will be all but useless.
The more fish you hook, or get stuck up on the bricks, the tighter that knot pulls, so hook more fish..it helps...!!!.....
The bimini does help in some ways. 1st an fg using a thick braid like 140 lbs will not sit nicely on .60. The doubled line does add some diameter. An fg is almost always attached to mono or fluorocarbon that is far greater In diameter than that of the braid. Sometimes when this is not the case the mono starts twisting around the braid instead of the other way around, especially under heavy tension. Looking at your pic it almost seems like there is already a bit of that. Also when an fg is attached to a line that is not quite a bit thicker than the braid, it can sometimes strangle the mono, which results in the mono breaking just outside the knot.
Stefan Engelbrecht
Sealiner
Nope! Still lost, but then again my scratching setup does not catch big fish so I just duplicated my mono setup to the braid. 30lb Novateur main line braid and 0.65mm mono leader roughly 8m long. 30 turn Bimini in the main line braid (tag always unravels, still have to check that out) and back to back figure 8's with the 0.65mm mono and the bimini. Breaks the braid when I get stuck, but I still need to check the FG knot out. My current setup will probably still fail me...