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Fedu, with so many different vessels to pick from, its going to be a daunting task!!
Some things worth considering:
How FAR is your normal trips? If the fishing spots are very far, ie. 50-100nm+, you'll need a very fast boat, which will mean higher fuel bills. If your fishing spots are closer in, you can get away with smaller outboards, which means cheaper initial purchase price, as well as lighter fuel bills.
Is the climate very hot/humid? If YES, then you will NOT want an enclosed cabin. A OPEN cabin, with plastic roll down windows will offer a better bet. Alternatively, a fly-bridge on an enclosed cabin will work well too.
Are you looking for birds? If yes, then a fly-bridge is a MUST!! With the added height, one can simply see so much further......
Is fuel consumption an issue? If fuel is very expensive or not readily available, then a vessel thats very economical makes more sense.....
Just a few of the myriad of things you'll have to consider!! Happy shopping!!
Some things worth considering:
How FAR is your normal trips? If the fishing spots are very far, ie. 50-100nm+, you'll need a very fast boat, which will mean higher fuel bills. If your fishing spots are closer in, you can get away with smaller outboards, which means cheaper initial purchase price, as well as lighter fuel bills.
Is the climate very hot/humid? If YES, then you will NOT want an enclosed cabin. A OPEN cabin, with plastic roll down windows will offer a better bet. Alternatively, a fly-bridge on an enclosed cabin will work well too.
Are you looking for birds? If yes, then a fly-bridge is a MUST!! With the added height, one can simply see so much further......
Is fuel consumption an issue? If fuel is very expensive or not readily available, then a vessel thats very economical makes more sense.....
Just a few of the myriad of things you'll have to consider!! Happy shopping!!
miles wrote:
Again, Sealine is a great community and I am glad I joined in.
The problem is trying to balance family and fishing and I am still researching, at the same time I hope this thread can help some of my friends that are looking for an hardcore fishing machine.
Fishingwize I love my current Cuddy Cabin Center Console, the 1997 28 Concept, a 30 ft LOA boat
Let me start with my current cons:
- Cuddy Cabin doesn't really work for family, it's really just a storage space, allthought I've slept inside once or twice
- No Storage for fish, just two small fish boxes (good for 100% C&R, but sometimes you need something to bring home)
- Too Slim, not enough space on the back for several people fighting fish or moving around.
- Unfortunatly it's a Sport edition and it should be a Fishing Edition with a T-Top instead of the Arch
- Would love a better range (bigger fuel tank), now it's around 560 litres.
- Unconfortable when it rains
Pros
- Fantastic Ride, it flyes over the waves just need to know how to use trim tabs.
- It's a performance boat and it's incredible how tight you can turn at high speed, just need to hold on so you don't get thrown away
- Incredible cruising speed 35/40 MPH
- Incredible top speed fully loaded 55 MPH
- Great for fishing several spots in one day (I love jigging and popping and this is a must)
I would love something like this with a little more confort, increased range, proper fish boxes and some overnight facilities (night fishing).
Seaworthiness is a must and due to Angola maintenance problems I prefer outboards.
Difficult choices....
First let me thank everybody that posted, in a single day I got more info from the SA cat market than in a whole month of researching the internet.
Again, Sealine is a great community and I am glad I joined in.
The problem is trying to balance family and fishing and I am still researching, at the same time I hope this thread can help some of my friends that are looking for an hardcore fishing machine.
Fishingwize I love my current Cuddy Cabin Center Console, the 1997 28 Concept, a 30 ft LOA boat
Let me start with my current cons:
- Cuddy Cabin doesn't really work for family, it's really just a storage space, allthought I've slept inside once or twice
- No Storage for fish, just two small fish boxes (good for 100% C&R, but sometimes you need something to bring home)
- Too Slim, not enough space on the back for several people fighting fish or moving around.
- Unfortunatly it's a Sport edition and it should be a Fishing Edition with a T-Top instead of the Arch
- Would love a better range (bigger fuel tank), now it's around 560 litres.
- Unconfortable when it rains
Pros
- Fantastic Ride, it flyes over the waves just need to know how to use trim tabs.
- It's a performance boat and it's incredible how tight you can turn at high speed, just need to hold on so you don't get thrown away
- Incredible cruising speed 35/40 MPH
- Incredible top speed fully loaded 55 MPH
- Great for fishing several spots in one day (I love jigging and popping and this is a must)
I would love something like this with a little more confort, increased range, proper fish boxes and some overnight facilities (night fishing).
Seaworthiness is a must and due to Angola maintenance problems I prefer outboards.
Difficult choices....
Agreed fedu, some really good info. How important is trailering? The reason is that here in SA most boats up to 28 can be relatively easily towed (Landcruiser size). Above this it generally requires serious hardware.
Bearing in mind the family requirements, forget about the cc unless you go for an american deep vee with a underdeck cuddy.
Considering then a walkaround, wide stern, must be a cat. Fish boxes, T-top, fuel etc are all down to design and builder.
If possible I would consider a 28 Butt with a custom sports cabin (basically their walkaround with the top cut off and a T top installed) incorporating a small tower. Have a look at a Renaissance Prowler 30 for the idea. For the fit and finish you would look for, I would probably look for a third party to build up from the hull.
Could be a really exciting project. You can even include misters, refridgerated fish boxes etc at a very reasonable cost now
Bearing in mind the family requirements, forget about the cc unless you go for an american deep vee with a underdeck cuddy.
Considering then a walkaround, wide stern, must be a cat. Fish boxes, T-top, fuel etc are all down to design and builder.
If possible I would consider a 28 Butt with a custom sports cabin (basically their walkaround with the top cut off and a T top installed) incorporating a small tower. Have a look at a Renaissance Prowler 30 for the idea. For the fit and finish you would look for, I would probably look for a third party to build up from the hull.
Could be a really exciting project. You can even include misters, refridgerated fish boxes etc at a very reasonable cost now
Fast Fernando,
that missile of yours is the future and you already mark the course! Run and gun is not only the US way to optimise fishing time and reduce transit. Already the 2 or 3 o/b's steal the show off the CABOs, VIKINGs and the lot.
:spite
When you write of "range" I can only smirk... last time you took me along, we needed under an hours to come back from "Cap Palmeirinhas" to the jetty... thats almost 60km straight and you where still breaking in the new horses!
::respekt:
Yes it's not as comfortable as a 35ft LUHRS and space comes at a premium. Icing down a 100kgs bag of dorados etc is not viable... but the versatility of our waters is best reflected in the versatility of your machine: Marlin, Sail, AJs... Groupers, Wahoo, Tuna... anything goes.
Sunday the weather was foul, I know what I am talking about since I had a tug of 3 hours to join to get "Djamila2" back into base. Appropriate clothes make for a more comfy ride, perhaps a skiing goggle?
The boat you search for is out there in the market. A cigarette hull, 2 x 300s o/b, cc and a tiny cuddy under the console, a vantage point on top with constrols, 39ft long and narrow as sh!t, 900 liters fuel inboard... and as you are accustomed to lightning speed... unlikely a cat design.
that missile of yours is the future and you already mark the course! Run and gun is not only the US way to optimise fishing time and reduce transit. Already the 2 or 3 o/b's steal the show off the CABOs, VIKINGs and the lot.
:spite
When you write of "range" I can only smirk... last time you took me along, we needed under an hours to come back from "Cap Palmeirinhas" to the jetty... thats almost 60km straight and you where still breaking in the new horses!
::respekt:
Yes it's not as comfortable as a 35ft LUHRS and space comes at a premium. Icing down a 100kgs bag of dorados etc is not viable... but the versatility of our waters is best reflected in the versatility of your machine: Marlin, Sail, AJs... Groupers, Wahoo, Tuna... anything goes.
Sunday the weather was foul, I know what I am talking about since I had a tug of 3 hours to join to get "Djamila2" back into base. Appropriate clothes make for a more comfy ride, perhaps a skiing goggle?
The boat you search for is out there in the market. A cigarette hull, 2 x 300s o/b, cc and a tiny cuddy under the console, a vantage point on top with constrols, 39ft long and narrow as sh!t, 900 liters fuel inboard... and as you are accustomed to lightning speed... unlikely a cat design.
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Fin-S wrote:
Trailering is not important, I have the boat at the club and launch from there.
SA is a very good option, due to the fact that you can bring a decent size boat by road to Angola what will decrease the transport cost.
Just to get a small idea about transport cost from the States, last time I imported a 30ft boat for a friend the cost was a little more than 20.000 USD at the current rate 150.000 RAND!!!!
Yes I also think custom is the way to go.
A 28 ft Cat is compared to a +30 mono in terms of usable space, what is excellent.
I don't like triple or quad setups, two outboards is also the way to go ,the actual power limit is the yamaha 350HP, 2 of these could move a very fast and large boat...
Agreed fedu, some really good info. How important is trailering? The reason is that here in SA most boats up to 28 can be relatively easily towed (Landcruiser size). Above this it generally requires serious hardware.
Bearing in mind the family requirements, forget about the cc unless you go for an american deep vee with a underdeck cuddy.
Considering then a walkaround, wide stern, must be a cat. Fish boxes, T-top, fuel etc are all down to design and builder.
If possible I would consider a 28 Butt with a custom sports cabin (basically their walkaround with the top cut off and a T top installed) incorporating a small tower. Have a look at a Renaissance Prowler 30 for the idea. For the fit and finish you would look for, I would probably look for a third party to build up from the hull.
Could be a really exciting project. You can even include misters, refridgerated fish boxes etc at a very reasonable cost now
Trailering is not important, I have the boat at the club and launch from there.
SA is a very good option, due to the fact that you can bring a decent size boat by road to Angola what will decrease the transport cost.
Just to get a small idea about transport cost from the States, last time I imported a 30ft boat for a friend the cost was a little more than 20.000 USD at the current rate 150.000 RAND!!!!
Yes I also think custom is the way to go.
A 28 ft Cat is compared to a +30 mono in terms of usable space, what is excellent.
I don't like triple or quad setups, two outboards is also the way to go ,the actual power limit is the yamaha 350HP, 2 of these could move a very fast and large boat...
Pargo Man wrote:
Jan,
I used the clothes and googles on Sunday, unconfortable has hell, allthough the boat flyed throught the waves again...
You are talking about the Yellowfin, If I was a unmarried rich guy I would buy the 42.
Probably the Best CC hardcore fishing machine in production today.
Sexy has hell, but unthinkable for me I don't want to get a divorce and the transport cost would allow us to buy a couple of small cats....
This is a triple setup (55 MPH WOT) but usually they do a quad setup of 300 mercury (that reaches 66 MPH top speed..)
I think that the waiting production line is now around 9 months (due to popularity), lot's of tournament guys are using it nowdays.
They use it to fish the canyons a 100 miles trip, plus 100 miles back home...
Jan,
I used the clothes and googles on Sunday, unconfortable has hell, allthough the boat flyed throught the waves again...
You are talking about the Yellowfin, If I was a unmarried rich guy I would buy the 42.
Probably the Best CC hardcore fishing machine in production today.
Sexy has hell, but unthinkable for me I don't want to get a divorce and the transport cost would allow us to buy a couple of small cats....
This is a triple setup (55 MPH WOT) but usually they do a quad setup of 300 mercury (that reaches 66 MPH top speed..)
I think that the waiting production line is now around 9 months (due to popularity), lot's of tournament guys are using it nowdays.
They use it to fish the canyons a 100 miles trip, plus 100 miles back home...
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Pargo Man wrote:
Great offshore boat!! One that is usually seen at the limits of those same canyons.
A lttle Ugly....
The cabin is not very usable...
The only real contender I know against the YF is the Invincible even faster than the YF they are doing a 42 this next year.
P.S. - Let's re-focus on cats please.
Great offshore boat!! One that is usually seen at the limits of those same canyons.
A lttle Ugly....
The cabin is not very usable...
The only real contender I know against the YF is the Invincible even faster than the YF they are doing a 42 this next year.
P.S. - Let's re-focus on cats please.
Unfortunately, our South African sea's are simply too rough, so our boats do not have the huge top speeds or high cruising speeds of our american boaters.
Very few boats can exceed 35knts (40mph) top speed and only a very small amount will exceed the 40knt (46mph) mark. Typically, here in the Cape, were average 16-22knts (18-25mph) cruising speed. This is purely because our sea's will not allow one to travel any faster, comfortably.
One of THE fastest boats that i know of is a 28' Buttcat with 2x175hp 4 strokes on the back. Does 40knts (46mph)+.
All the other boats i mentioned, even WITH their maximum rated horsepower engines on the transom, will BATTLE to get to the 35knt (40mph) top speed, let alone the 48knts (55mph) your current boat does!!
Very few boats can exceed 35knts (40mph) top speed and only a very small amount will exceed the 40knt (46mph) mark. Typically, here in the Cape, were average 16-22knts (18-25mph) cruising speed. This is purely because our sea's will not allow one to travel any faster, comfortably.
One of THE fastest boats that i know of is a 28' Buttcat with 2x175hp 4 strokes on the back. Does 40knts (46mph)+.
All the other boats i mentioned, even WITH their maximum rated horsepower engines on the transom, will BATTLE to get to the 35knt (40mph) top speed, let alone the 48knts (55mph) your current boat does!!
miles wrote:
Talking about Pargo Jan newfound taste for speed fishing.
I've seen this Jaguar Marine 35 cat in the USA, Cuddy Cabin, incredible machine but again transport cost makes it impossible.
Cruise speed of 50 knots, and a range of over one thousand miles, top speed 87.9 MPH twin Merc 300 (top spped at a lake, impossible to do on open sea and unconfortable)
There is a used 2006 with twin Envirude 250 being sold wright now at a good price (the bank is pressuring the owner to sell, 1/3 of original price) that does 45 MPH crusing speed and 65 MPH WOT, 1500 lt fuel tank, that if being sold in SA and trailerable to Luanda I would forget the family and buy it...
Top speed is a way to fool yourself, the really important number is cruising speed, 30/35 MPH is an excellent cruising speed.
Talking about Pargo Jan newfound taste for speed fishing.
I've seen this Jaguar Marine 35 cat in the USA, Cuddy Cabin, incredible machine but again transport cost makes it impossible.
Cruise speed of 50 knots, and a range of over one thousand miles, top speed 87.9 MPH twin Merc 300 (top spped at a lake, impossible to do on open sea and unconfortable)
There is a used 2006 with twin Envirude 250 being sold wright now at a good price (the bank is pressuring the owner to sell, 1/3 of original price) that does 45 MPH crusing speed and 65 MPH WOT, 1500 lt fuel tank, that if being sold in SA and trailerable to Luanda I would forget the family and buy it...
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Howzit Fedu,
Check that stepped hull and outmounts...all to do with getting less air entrainment
Do you guys pay import duty in Angola?
And what is the cost for a litre of petrol there?
Most of the boats you guys are talking about would be seriously unaffordable to 95 percent of us South Africans!
Check that stepped hull and outmounts...all to do with getting less air entrainment
Do you guys pay import duty in Angola?
And what is the cost for a litre of petrol there?
Most of the boats you guys are talking about would be seriously unaffordable to 95 percent of us South Africans!
thika wrote:
We pay import duties.
Petrol is still unexpensive less than 0.5 USD litre around 30 Rand litre (there is a governement proposal for a change next year I think).
All those boats NEW are very expensive nowdays, but.
Most of us bought USED boats from USA, I think my CC costed me around 34.000 USD (+- 255.000 Rand) and at the time transport cost was not this expensive.
They have great maintenance in USA and boat clubs allow most of the boats to be stored off water what means extended life on all itens of the boat. you can hire a certified inspector to verify the boat before buying.
How much does a new 28 ft buttcat cost in SA ?
I just saw a Buttcat 35 sport fisher twin Suzies 300, being sold in the internet for 1.480.000 Rand this USA 2006 Jaguar Marine 35 the owner is selling bellow 900.000 Rand !!!!
We like to dream, the YF are impossible to buy.
We pay import duties.
Petrol is still unexpensive less than 0.5 USD litre around 30 Rand litre (there is a governement proposal for a change next year I think).
All those boats NEW are very expensive nowdays, but.
Most of us bought USED boats from USA, I think my CC costed me around 34.000 USD (+- 255.000 Rand) and at the time transport cost was not this expensive.
They have great maintenance in USA and boat clubs allow most of the boats to be stored off water what means extended life on all itens of the boat. you can hire a certified inspector to verify the boat before buying.
How much does a new 28 ft buttcat cost in SA ?
I just saw a Buttcat 35 sport fisher twin Suzies 300, being sold in the internet for 1.480.000 Rand this USA 2006 Jaguar Marine 35 the owner is selling bellow 900.000 Rand !!!!
miles wrote:
Just checked out a SA cat that I had allready been inside but just inside the Luanda the bay.
The 2oceans Center Console Magnum 25 from my friend Rafael Araujo, he repowerd it with two 200 Suzies and it's top speed is 45 Knots (52 miles) !!!!!
He says it "dances" a little bit with waves coming from behind but it preforms superbebly with frontal waves in bad weather.
I think it has 2x250 litres fuel tanks.
Like you sayd really well finished boat.
Miles,
Just checked out a SA cat that I had allready been inside but just inside the Luanda the bay.
The 2oceans Center Console Magnum 25 from my friend Rafael Araujo, he repowerd it with two 200 Suzies and it's top speed is 45 Knots (52 miles) !!!!!
He says it "dances" a little bit with waves coming from behind but it preforms superbebly with frontal waves in bad weather.
I think it has 2x250 litres fuel tanks.
Like you sayd really well finished boat.
Fedu,
If you are old fashioned...my boat has a 2,6m beam an does 44 knots without trim tabs...yet!
Beautiful spacious cabin and shit house and finished like none other!
And it will take ANY weather!
It's heavy...3 tonnes to tow if you must
It's one one of the better mono's ever built in RSA and I paid R180k with 39 hours on the 130 Yammies from my brother-in-law
Gotta rig for myself as I am in a wheelchair and also building my dreamhouse on the West Coast, so loot VERY scarce
I am keeping the back deck open for the wheelchair but can strap down two huge freezing boxes when I need to
It is an Ace Craft 660 DV...23 foot counting the outmounts
Why do you want a Cat?
Can't find my own boat now, but this is it...I have an open bridge and Benniejordaan is going to build a good canopy for me
If you are old fashioned...my boat has a 2,6m beam an does 44 knots without trim tabs...yet!
Beautiful spacious cabin and shit house and finished like none other!
And it will take ANY weather!
It's heavy...3 tonnes to tow if you must
It's one one of the better mono's ever built in RSA and I paid R180k with 39 hours on the 130 Yammies from my brother-in-law
Gotta rig for myself as I am in a wheelchair and also building my dreamhouse on the West Coast, so loot VERY scarce
I am keeping the back deck open for the wheelchair but can strap down two huge freezing boxes when I need to
It is an Ace Craft 660 DV...23 foot counting the outmounts
Why do you want a Cat?
Can't find my own boat now, but this is it...I have an open bridge and Benniejordaan is going to build a good canopy for me
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Thika,
Don't get me wrong, I love my mono, I also love Deep V hulls, but my boat is not a family boat.
I have a little child of 16 months and I need to provide some confort for them, when we travel to mussulo bay for the weekend or for a "touristic ride" with friends and family around Luanda bay.
I also don't want to give up on fishing and all my good fishing grounds are beyond 40 miles.
I think the Cats have and excellent balance Space/Confort/fishability and also with this increasing transport cost issue my main market is SA.
I maybe wrong but I think today SA boat market is much more evolved in terms of Cats than Monos, I don't even know what monos are built in SA.
Your boat is a beatifull classic, get the trim tabs it makes all the difference in planing speed and confort in bad weather.
As an example, without trim tabs my boat is an awfull ride, with them I was able to came back home last Sunday in a terrible weather at 35 MPH from one of my 40 miles fishing spots...
P.S. - I've seen the view from your future house in one of your posts, it's magnificent. Still waiting for you at Lucira and also at that other place we both dream about.
Don't get me wrong, I love my mono, I also love Deep V hulls, but my boat is not a family boat.
I have a little child of 16 months and I need to provide some confort for them, when we travel to mussulo bay for the weekend or for a "touristic ride" with friends and family around Luanda bay.
I also don't want to give up on fishing and all my good fishing grounds are beyond 40 miles.
I think the Cats have and excellent balance Space/Confort/fishability and also with this increasing transport cost issue my main market is SA.
I maybe wrong but I think today SA boat market is much more evolved in terms of Cats than Monos, I don't even know what monos are built in SA.
Your boat is a beatifull classic, get the trim tabs it makes all the difference in planing speed and confort in bad weather.
As an example, without trim tabs my boat is an awfull ride, with them I was able to came back home last Sunday in a terrible weather at 35 MPH from one of my 40 miles fishing spots...
P.S. - I've seen the view from your future house in one of your posts, it's magnificent. Still waiting for you at Lucira and also at that other place we both dream about.