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Bass in Jonkershoek?
- Thread starter BrendanD
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Speedworm wrote:
they are not promoting it. the varsity got trout feeding program on the the dam.some of the escape trout gets caught there.
before making statement they promoting trout/bass or any alien fish make sure of who and whats going on.you giving people and yourself wrong ideas of how the system works.you are welcome to go to jonkershoek and go and speak to any of their guys. their doors are open.
then why do they promote trout when its alien ?
they are not promoting it. the varsity got trout feeding program on the the dam.some of the escape trout gets caught there.
before making statement they promoting trout/bass or any alien fish make sure of who and whats going on.you giving people and yourself wrong ideas of how the system works.you are welcome to go to jonkershoek and go and speak to any of their guys. their doors are open.
gt40 wrote:
gt40, I don't think you are being fair. Your original post was misleading, and I also wondered why they were promoting trout and carp if they are alien. I think speedworm's question was fair and legit and your harsh response isn't warranted. Why didn't you just explain it from the start?Speedworm wrote:then why do they promote trout when its alien ?
they are promoting it. the varsity got trout feeding program on the the dam.some of the escape trout gets caught there.
before making statement they promoting trout/bass or any alien fish make sure of who and whats going on.you giving people and yourself wrong ideas of how the system works.you are welcome to go to jonkershoek and go and speak to any of their guys. their doors are open.
On the dam there are 6 'cages' full of trout which are being grown for commercial purposes and is run by the university, I know this because I used to work at the trout farm a couple years ago.
The trout get into the dam when the otters break the nets to catch the trout or when there is huge storm and the guide ropes break and the cages get washed over the dam wall (yes that happened). When I was working there, there was not any stocking of trout or carp in the dam. Infact any trout or carp we caught whilst working on the cages we took home for supper.
GT40 first post, 'the dam is called klein plasie.no bass but trout and carp'
Im not trying to pick a fight, but there is nothing misleading about what he said.
The trout get into the dam when the otters break the nets to catch the trout or when there is huge storm and the guide ropes break and the cages get washed over the dam wall (yes that happened). When I was working there, there was not any stocking of trout or carp in the dam. Infact any trout or carp we caught whilst working on the cages we took home for supper.
GT40 first post, 'the dam is called klein plasie.no bass but trout and carp'
Im not trying to pick a fight, but there is nothing misleading about what he said.
Guys, please take care to enquire at the gate about what is allowed. The dam belongs to the municipality with various users have different rights to the dam. The land around it belongs to a forestry company. Trout of course does not enjoy the same protection status as it once did. Interesting that the Kleinplaas dam is linked via underground tunnels through the mountains to the Bergriver dam as well as the Theewaterskloof dams. On both those two areas smallies can be found.
Southpaw wrote:
gt40 wrote:
gt40, nobody mentioned promoting of any species until you used the word. I think the assumption was when you said they "don't promote Bass fishing becuase it's alien" that they promote the other species. Seems there is a history with you and Speedworm.. Wasnt aware of that either. I now kinda wished I kept quiet lol. But I just thought your response was rather harsh, as it seemed like a pretty simple question to start with. I have to be honest, I wondered exactly the same thing that Speedworm did.
Have a cool day everyone
Hey Southpaw, no worries mate, not trying to pick anything either but I was just taken aback by what seems to me as a harsh response to Speedworm when gt40 said the following:GT40 first post, 'the dam is called klein plasie.no bass but trout and carp'
Im not trying to pick a fight, but there is nothing misleading about what he said.
gt40 wrote:
Above does not explain why they don't stock Bass. But I dont know the whole story of the place either, but after reading above I also thought, uhm ok, they have trout and carp, which is alien, so what's the problem with stocking bass other than a bit of paperwork.... I mean if they already have two other alien species....how can they promote bass if they stand for concervation of our local fish.bass is a alien fish.
if the fish was naturally from there it would be easy to stock it but it is not.
gt40, nobody mentioned promoting of any species until you used the word. I think the assumption was when you said they "don't promote Bass fishing becuase it's alien" that they promote the other species. Seems there is a history with you and Speedworm.. Wasnt aware of that either. I now kinda wished I kept quiet lol. But I just thought your response was rather harsh, as it seemed like a pretty simple question to start with. I have to be honest, I wondered exactly the same thing that Speedworm did.
Have a cool day everyone
Hey Loams,
It all cool man.
GT40 used 'promote' in responce to BrendanD said 'It always boggles my mind that Cape Nature doesn't see the potential of sport fishing to make them huge amounts of money that can be spent towards conservation where it counts.' But thats why they opened a trout fly fishing place by the Nature Con's office
Bosbok,
Seeing that water come through the tunnel is quite something, in summer they let water through each day so the dam can let water out for the river to keep flowing. And surprisingly theres been no reports of any bass caught in that dam.
It all cool man.
GT40 used 'promote' in responce to BrendanD said 'It always boggles my mind that Cape Nature doesn't see the potential of sport fishing to make them huge amounts of money that can be spent towards conservation where it counts.' But thats why they opened a trout fly fishing place by the Nature Con's office
Bosbok,
Seeing that water come through the tunnel is quite something, in summer they let water through each day so the dam can let water out for the river to keep flowing. And surprisingly theres been no reports of any bass caught in that dam.
I want to explain why I think they should promote bass fishing in certain waters in the Western Cape. Not all the waters in the Western Cape are sensitive in terms of indigenous fish species and in some waters (Like Kwaggaskloof where there is a huge population of endangered Witvis and bass) a good balance has been reached where there is a healthy ecosystem. The presence of bass does not mean that the indigenous fish species are automatically being wiped out.
In Natal the Parks Board have developed facilities on their major dams and heavily promoted them as bass fishing destinations by managing them properly. They have made millions from bass fishermen and this money is then spent on conservation.
Instead of this ridiculous ban on bass fishing, Cape Nature conservation should manage fish stocks of sports fish in dams and areas where they already exist and commercialize those areas for tourism. Those bass fishing tourism dollars can then go towards indigenous fish breeding and stocking programs. Everywhere else in the world where there are endangered fish species like this you will find the nature conservation officials instituting breeding and stocking programs for the endangered species. The Western Cape Nature conservation ignores this.
In Natal the Parks Board have developed facilities on their major dams and heavily promoted them as bass fishing destinations by managing them properly. They have made millions from bass fishermen and this money is then spent on conservation.
Instead of this ridiculous ban on bass fishing, Cape Nature conservation should manage fish stocks of sports fish in dams and areas where they already exist and commercialize those areas for tourism. Those bass fishing tourism dollars can then go towards indigenous fish breeding and stocking programs. Everywhere else in the world where there are endangered fish species like this you will find the nature conservation officials instituting breeding and stocking programs for the endangered species. The Western Cape Nature conservation ignores this.
I agree,
I certainly think there is a way for all the species to co-exist. Not neccesarily in the same dams and rivers, but certainly in the same province. Personally I think dams should be built in areas which arent sensitive and be stocked with Bass. Pretty much the same way that gt40 has built his operation. There is a lot of money to be made from Bass fishermen, trout and carp too.
I further think there is an argument for building dams from scratch, away from natural rivers and having them filled with underground water and of course rainwater (when it rains). I know and understand the capex expenditure will be high for such a venture, but the long term benefits should outweigh the initial outlay. Also it is a proven sustainable model.
I certainly think there is a way for all the species to co-exist. Not neccesarily in the same dams and rivers, but certainly in the same province. Personally I think dams should be built in areas which arent sensitive and be stocked with Bass. Pretty much the same way that gt40 has built his operation. There is a lot of money to be made from Bass fishermen, trout and carp too.
I further think there is an argument for building dams from scratch, away from natural rivers and having them filled with underground water and of course rainwater (when it rains). I know and understand the capex expenditure will be high for such a venture, but the long term benefits should outweigh the initial outlay. Also it is a proven sustainable model.
We already have bass waters that need to be managed. It was bass fishermen who transported thousands of Gil Christella and some Witvis from Brandvlei to Theewaterskloof (With a license from Cape Nature Conservation) and trout fishermen who have been involved in Cape Nature Conservation schemes in partnership with the CPS to transplant Witvis yet the CPS continually shafts us sportsfishermen. It is Cape Nature Conservation's job to manage fisheries and juggle the rights of sportsfishermen and conservation yet they are hopelessly inadequette at both.
BulkCarrier
Sealiner
Guys the problem is we only have a few dams/rivers in Cape Town that can support trout. Why would you now go and put bass into one of the few dams that can support trout.
As there are bass fishermen there are also trout fisherman. Jonkershoek also has the history of being one of the first places where trout was bred in S.A. That's where all trout fishing started.
The carp is alien and was prob release but some angler thinking he will make a new dam for him to fish in. I don't think anybody involved in the management of the dam would have released them intentionally.
As there are bass fishermen there are also trout fisherman. Jonkershoek also has the history of being one of the first places where trout was bred in S.A. That's where all trout fishing started.
The carp is alien and was prob release but some angler thinking he will make a new dam for him to fish in. I don't think anybody involved in the management of the dam would have released them intentionally.
The Eerste river above the Kleinplaas dam still has some indigenous species such as Rooivlerkies and the the river is in relative good condition (refraining from using the word prestine).
I cant remeber if I ever caught bass in Klein plaas but I suspect the dam might hold bass because of the theewaters transfer sceme. The river below the dam does hold bass and even carp and barbel as you move into the lower reaches. I've caught small bass oposite Kolonieshof so they are pretty high up.
I fully agree with Cape Nature not managing there waters optimally and there is much to be gained from using the alien species to fund indigenous fish projects a prime example would be the restocking of the Olifants river system with Clanwilliam Yellows with funds raised from its bass stocks.
I cant remeber if I ever caught bass in Klein plaas but I suspect the dam might hold bass because of the theewaters transfer sceme. The river below the dam does hold bass and even carp and barbel as you move into the lower reaches. I've caught small bass oposite Kolonieshof so they are pretty high up.
I fully agree with Cape Nature not managing there waters optimally and there is much to be gained from using the alien species to fund indigenous fish projects a prime example would be the restocking of the Olifants river system with Clanwilliam Yellows with funds raised from its bass stocks.
BulkCarrier wrote:
This is a fair point.
Guys the problem is we only have a few dams/rivers in Cape Town that can support trout. Why would you now go and put bass into one of the few dams that can support trout.
This is a fair point.
Guys – Cape Nature/SANParks does not want anything to do with looking after exotic species of any kind, being trout or bass or chopping down the whole of Tokai forest! Even if it could be lucrative business proposition. In this case the fishermen will have to sort themselves out.