ATTEMPT TO SAVE DONALDSON DAM!!

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k20mad

New member
I think that looking at the big picture it is the only way to go is to close dams in future as you said R50 or R100 is not much for most people these days.The problem being once you let one member of the public in it opens the venue for abuse because you have no control over whom is entering or what their intentions might be.

With Sacs the individual has been screened and every body knows what needs to be done and what the rules and regulations are.

I feel for the public but surely if they are really serious about fishing a safe,clean and ablution facility it is well worth joining the cause.

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Spinedok

Member
@steelpulse,

Please just take 10 minute to read our mission statement on our website, make the effort to get to know the management of SACS and then we will talk again.

If you have ever looked at the sport of hunting and how much difference the SA Hunters society has done for the sport, making it easier to obtain licenses etc.

Well then you will understand were we are going! Again if you have read the previous comments no one said we are going to disallow anyone, there will just be a very strict code of conduct and the gear used to fish the venue.

SACS is not an elitist society, we are normal people who had enough of always hearing talk but seeing no action. S owe got of our seats and put our word to action.

It is due to people like you that we cannot stand together as a country, because you want change and you want to benefit from the change, but you don't want to lift a finger or even support a cause that will do the work for you.
 
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carpyman

New member
k20mad wrote:
I think that looking at the big picture it is the only way to go is to close dams in future as you said R50 or R100 is not much for most people these days.The problem being once you let one member of the public in it opens the venue for abuse because you have no control over whom is entering or what their intentions might be.

With Sacs the individual has been screened and every body knows what needs to be done and what the rules and regulations are.

I feel for the public but surely if they are really serious about fishing a safe,clean and ablution facility it is well worth joining the cause.

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steelpulse007

Sealiner
Spinedok wrote:
@steelpulse,

Please just take 10 minute to read our mission statement on our website, make the effort to get to know the management of SACS and then we will talk again.

If you have ever looked at the sport of hunting and how much difference the SA Hunters society has done for the sport, making it easier to obtain licenses etc.

Well then you will understand were we are going! Again if you have read the previous comments no one said we are going to disallow anyone, there will just be a very strict code of conduct and the gear used to fish the venue.

SACS is not an elitist society, we are normal people who had enough of always hearing talk but seeing no action. S owe got of our seats and put our word to action.
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Thanx for this response, I will familiarise myself with the mission of SACS.

The below statement however is an insult based on an assumption you have of me, I cannot fathom where you dug up such a misplaced opinion of me, from your thumb?

"It is due to people like you that we cannot stand together as a country, because you want change and you want to benefit from the change, but you don't want to lift a finger or even support a cause that will do the work for you."



 
 
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Kosie

New member
Well this is he venue (opportunity) Sacs has been waiting for. Lets see what happens to DD. I will sleep much better knowing Sacs runs this venue. Good luck guys.
 
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MadCarper

Sealiner
Well said Spinedok! I also think some people are jumping to all sorts of conclusions here and thinking the worst. At the end of the day Donaldson needs to be run properly, and so far SACS has taken the step. That says alot !

To say that SACS is an elitist group is plain ignorant!
 
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Johann_Marais

Sealiner
Spinedok wrote:
@steelpulse,

Please just take 10 minute to read our mission statement on our website, make the effort to get to know the management of SACS and then we will talk again.

If you have ever looked at the sport of hunting and how much difference the SA Hunters society has done for the sport, making it easier to obtain licenses etc.

Well then you will understand were we are going! Again if you have read the previous comments no one said we are going to disallow anyone, there will just be a very strict code of conduct and the gear used to fish the venue.

SACS is not an elitist society, we are normal people who had enough of always hearing talk but seeing no action. S owe got of our seats and put our word to action.

It is due to people like you that we cannot stand together as a country, because you want change and you want to benefit from the change, but you don't want to lift a finger or even support a cause that will do the work for you.
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WOW! I am speechless
 
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Spinedok

Member
@steelpulse

I do apologize for the last comment, it was un called for. It is just then when you have a normal day job and you spend the small bit of extra time you have fighting a cause because it is your passion it becomes very difficult to try and understand why people wont support a cause that makes a difference in the sport that they love just as much.

Really the guys who now me and the rest of the management know we are not in this for money or any earthly riches, we are in it to secure the future of our beloved sport for the next generation.

The future starts with us. 
 
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steelpulse007

Sealiner
Spinedok wrote:
@steelpulse

I do apologize for the last comment, it was un called for. It is just then when you have a normal day job and you spend the small bit of extra time you have fighting a cause because it is your passion it becomes very difficult to try and understand why people wont support a cause that makes a difference in the sport that they love just as much.

Really the guys who now me and the rest of the management know we are not in this for money or any earthly riches, we are in it to secure the future of our beloved sport for the next generation.

The future starts with us. 
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Spinedok I've been making assumptions regarding SACS, I humbly apologize for slinging wild accusations around, I applaud your sacrifices in trying to fix the venue on top of living a normal life as we all have bills to pay. I hope my attitude will not be a discouragement to your cause, but I doubt it, your resolve is solid. I would like to fish Donaldson in the future, and I look forward to a well-kept venue, paying the price to use it and doing my bit to keep it that way, or improve it.

To the rest of the guys, in the words of the indian guy on the famed 'mind your language',  "A thousand apologies" for my rantings, it must've left you guys reaching for the nearest blunt object, excuse me for being difficult, and dont forget to woosa.

^^.. :walk
 
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carpoholic

New member
Great news!!!Let's hope the meeting's outcome will secure this venue for many more years!

I wonder if sacs funding would alllow building a wall between TL and BL...wink wink...

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Alien Invader

New member
steelpulse007 wrote:
no public consultation needed you say, I suppose you're all for the Gauteng e-tolls kind sir who will now proceed in writing a very long drawn out epilogue to stroke his own ego.
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Eish! OK?
I'll try and keep it short.
This is very difficult for me as I usually find myself having to back up statements or comments I make...
I will however take to shot on the chin as I presume this stems from your passion for fishing/Carp. However, let me proceed with the stroking of my ego,,,, hmmmmmmm........

When I say public consultation is unnecessary, it's because the venue will still be open to the public for the purpose of fishing. All that changes here is the management. As long as the management allows any public member to apply no laws are being broken, It's also up to management to set reasonable entry fees or even membership fees to cover venue maintenance costs. As far as rules/regs are concerned, management has a right to impose certain restrictions/conditions to ensure the safety of fish being caught and any measure to sustain or improve the enviroment or biosystem of the waters..

Pfffft! So much for this being a short reply hey!! Grrrrr

I lease land from local municipalities that house small dams for the purpose of breeding fish to stock other dams in our area. (Some for free and some not so much free)lol
I recently had problems with fisherman leaving the place in a mess and simply stopped all fishing completely. BANG!
It's not like i'm stopping sustenance farmers from watering there cattle...

Dear Sir-Mr Steelpulce007.
I can tell you one thing for a fact regarding decisions made here and why I believe this has been done/decided.

All government departments in accordance with (Way to many to mention here) have to submit proposals and feedback regarding what they have done in their region/area with regards to the control/removal of invasive species. In the past, all the focus has been on Lantana, wattle and gum tree's, Millions and millions are being spent per month on this. (Working for water, working for wetlands) Recently, because of our already polluted waters and the feeding habits of Carp aggravating an already stressed bio-system, Carp has come under the spotlight. This was actually gazetted in 2004 by Marthinus van Schalkwyk and again revised in 2004 by (I cant spell the name). Owners and/or managers of water bodies will do all in there power to manage/remove & prevent the spread of any invasive species found in our water systems...
Local municipalities are still dragging there heals here and when it comes to the crunch, many dams may see the "Bulk removal or control" of Carp. What must be added here is this, when this is done, the 30, 40 pounders are not returned to the water, It;s a straight out cull!

Because carp is an invasive specie, it is not protected by law, the general public will not be consulted when it comes to management of an invasive specie. It could be seen the same as asking the public about how they feel about us removing water Hyacinth. No offence intended here guys, both species here fall under the same category as far as the law is concerned, INVASIVES!

The outcome here should be seen as a very positive one!
The dam and it's invasive occupants will now being managed by an entity who has experience with this regard. Local municipality can now submit a report that a management plan
has been put into place and DD will be left alone....

Just imagine if SACS were not sitting at that table and no alternative control/management plan was put on the table...

I know what could have happened here.... Zzzzzzt! Tzzzzzzt!
Perhaps I would have been called up to do it? Hmmmmmm

In closing; finally, eventually bla bla bla (Stroke stroke)
I have heard "mumbling's" that although this industry is a multi million Rand industry, most of the money is spent on imports and besides bait purchases, everything is imported... Hmmmmmm.

I say again, you guys need to have someone at those meetings to secure the future Carp venues in SA...
(I will have to explain on my next post why if any of you are still unclear)
On and on and on and on and on and on....bla bla bla..
 
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Alien Invader

New member
carpoholic wrote:
Great news!!!Let's hope the meeting's outcome will secure this venue for many more years!

I wonder if sacs funding would alllow building a wall between TL and BL...wink wink...

::S
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Haaa haaa, On a serious note--- stroke stroke.... lol
No structures involving cement or foundations to be erected on municiple land by tenants or lease holders blaa blaa bla...something something... Nothing is said about deep deep holes and Bonox game fencing though....
I got a wrap on the knuckles a while ago about throwing a slab to put a cottage on.... pffft.
 
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Spinedok

Member
Ok,

So I had the meeting from early this morning and got back to the office now, I will give a quick run through of what has been said : NO NAMES WILL BE MENTIONED IN THIS POST!

The government has given the development agent full control over the western area municipality to get the business development of the area back on track and to get the area back on the international list of a business and attraction hubs.

Part of the development agents strategy is getting sports going in and around the area, but at a level that involves the local community in way where they can learn how to do the different sports and also benefit from the planned upgrades, Donaldson's is not the only water that will be upgraded for fishermen, but a couple of lakes in and around the western area / Carltonville municipality that will be opened to the fishing community.

SACS has been accepted as a partner of the development agent to give it's input in and around the developments that will take place, the agent wants to ensure that vandals are kept away from the venues and safety is also a big concern to these guys at this stage.

The Donaldson's complex is facing some really pressing issues at this stage, one of the biggest being the Canal running next to the lake that has been blocked at various points, causing spillage of tons of rubbish into Donaldson's each time waters gets released from the catchment area upstream. They are busy getting this problem resolved as a first step in insuring the clean up of the facility.

A visible difference can be expected to be seen within the next 3 months at the Donaldson's BL complex when the managing agent secures the equipment that was taken along with the previous care taker, has been secured back. This is why they cannot cut the grass at this stage as the equipment has disappeared. The workers are still there but do not have the tools to do the work.

Donaldson's BL complex will still be run to benefit everyone who wants to make use of the facility, a notice board will be put up to let anglers now when there will be a weekend where a function will be held at the lake that could disrupt fishermen.

They would like to establish a code of conduct to ensure that the right people come in and out at the complex, for now they will search you when you enter the premises and when you exit the premises to ensure that none of the fish gets stolen from the venue by uneducated people, who have no idea what type of contaminates they are spreading by moving fish from this specific water with high uranium levels to other water bodies.

So the managing agent understands the demand for secure and safe venues within Gauteng, and they will draft a MOU and then we will meet again. If you have any questions please post them, as I might have missed something in this quick report.

 
 
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