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neilg

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ON the issue of catch limits for boats and rock and surf fisherman.
I do both, so I understand both sides.
Ofcourse there is a cost factor and also an enjoyment factor.
A Rock and surf fisherman stops by the sea in his car, and then goes fishing for as long as he chooses, be it the whole day or for 1 hour, please understand for the person on the boat it's not the case.
He has to hook the boat, put petrol in both boat and car, tow it somewhere to launch, travel by boat to his fishing spot, then catch fish for a time period and then reverse the whole exercise to go home. If he's lucky this all happens in 6 hours.
Based on that I really don't mind that he can catch more fish than I can. Although he does it for fun it simply costs the guy on the boat alot more than me on the side.

The guy on the boat is not allowed more fish than the guy on the side, he's in certain cases allowed more of a certain species, but again understand that there are more fish in the deeper waters, for many reasons.

Your chances of getting more of a certain species closer to shore is better than the guy on the boat, and vice versa.

Like I say I do both, so I understand both sides.
 
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neilg

Sealiner
Let's take this even further

as an example

I stay in PE and go fishing 5 times a month, let's say I'm a exceptional fisherman and catch my limit every time I go. So I catch 10 fish x 5 days a month x 12 months = 600 fish a year
now U stay in JHB and can only go fish twice a year when you take holiday, lets say this equals 5 fishing days a year and you also don't know the sea and the fishing spots as well as me
U catch 5 fish x 5 days = 25 fish for the year

So
I'm local and catch 600 fish for the year
U aren't and catch 25 fish for the year

we both pay the same amount for a licence

NOW IS THAT FAIR ?
 
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Pylstert

Sealiner
Yes of course it is. Who cares if you live in Joburg and can only fish once a year. How complicated can you make the law? Because I live in the Cape I can get cheap wine, is that unfair?
 
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neilg

Sealiner
and the point I'm trying to make is ... how many of recreational fishing licences are held by people who only get to the sea once or twice a year ...

that point of 50% blame to recreationals ...
 
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carcharias

Sealiner
If they really want to make laws that work........ What about , as soon as the bycatch exceeds 10% of the quota, the commercial boat must stop fishing?
I see a cat and a lot of feathers here. LOL
 
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neilg

Sealiner
carcharias
if someone wants to get me into action they must shift blame to us "pleasure" anglers. That's like making a fire under my bum, it really gets me going.

And then there's that issue of a "select" few that actually think they know what everyone wants. That simply drives me dilly. It's not really about what everyone wants, it's about WHAT THEY WANT. It's about how it can help THEM.

I was part of competitive airrifle shooting, I was a technical officer responsible for the rules for 1 year, and saw how things were changed to suit an individual or that persons daughter to be more exact. When I took over from this person I rewrote the rules, sent it to the members, and explained my reasoning. It was put to vote and became "law". Most people agreed, some went up in arms, literally. I put things in rules that actually put me at a disadvantage, but it's not about me, it's about the rules being fair, and it's for everyone.

Because of that I stay away from all forms of competitive angling and shooting. The only competition I want is with the people standing either side of me when I fish, and if they are willing to listen I'm willing to share some of my secrets.

It really is amazing how everyone wants to blame someone else, ignoring their own mistakes, which is most of the times 10 times worse.

I've really tried to stay away from topics like this, and even said to myself only comment on fishing tips, help people to be better fisherman (if I can), but it's very difficult when things like this come up.
 
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carcharias

Sealiner
My feelings are the same as yours regarding recreational anglers. Ive been watching your previous postings and givving you the HOOP, HOOP. What you forgot to mention in your posting about the amount of fish caught is that although you may have caught 600 fish in the past year, you probly only kept 200 or less. I also fish both Deepsea as well as rock and surf. I love them both and really cant prefer one over the other. I have caught more than 150 fish in the last 6 months and have kept less than 30.
 
Marthin

Marthin

Sealiner
Sorry Neil, if you have information that they do target some of the species i pointed out, uve educated me again.

Still my last post goes as follows
1. Number of fish restrictions is the way to go not weight
2. There should be size bracket for every vulnerable species, minimum and maximum size limit
3. All available money spent on improving current policing. Only once the policing of the current legislation is effective should time or effort be put into changing legislation or you just keep running around ur own tail.

4. and my most important one. If a recreational beach angler can only catch one a recreational boat angler must also only be allowed 1. The cost incurred by you to actually catch the one weather that is from the beach or at sea is how you chose to persue the hobby of fishing.

Money currently being spent on research can also be used, and MCM can offer any field they feel studies need to be made on to universities to offer students as fields to do masters or doctorates on. Research problem solved and MCM will get paid to get research done for them not the other way around. Also chances are very slim a student will manipulate research to better someone's pockets, if he is trying to get a doctorate or any other degree.
 
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neilg

Sealiner
Carcharias, if I was talking about a guy that actually chooses to keep his limit.
I'm definately not one of them, I can't eat so much fish, wife won't touch fish, son is allergic and baby girl is just too small (6 months today), and I HATE freezing fish, except if I plan on using it for bait. Nothing beats fresh fish on a braai ... (getting hungry)

My brother still jumps up and down on the boat when I release a 2kg elf or a 5kg cob. But I'm working on him, soon I'll have that "wat byt ry skyt" mentality out of his head. He's already released a few that he would normally have kept. Baby steps ...

Except for the sea sick part I prefer the "deep sea" fishing, and because of the sea sick part I've learnt not to touch bait when I'm at sea (pilchards ... juggghh), this forced me to go lures and I'm really happy I did.

My brother starts swearing when he sees me taking out the Onda. But he doesn't understand, he doesn't get sea sick so he doesn't know what pilchard fingers taste like.

I will never force my way on anyone, if the guy next to me chooses to keep a few fish it's his choice, but I normally start talking to the people about how our fish stocks are damaged, how it's close to collapsing and how every fisherman should try his best to change that. You can see in their eyes they are thinking about it, and not long and they start releasing a few, normally with comments from friends in the distance ... is jy fo%&en mal, daai was a m@*rse mooi elf. I hate that Hitler way of you will do it like this or like that and that's it. Speak to me with mutual respect, explain to me why, then we talking business, so that's what I do with other people aswell.
 
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carcharias

Sealiner
Marthin. The bag limit for boat fishiong is exactly the same as the shore angler excepy for cob and possibly one other species. The reson for the cob difference is that deepsea boats actually catch more of a different sub species than shore anglers.
Your proposal about MCM is great except , they would never go for it as there would be a few people with very "cooshy" jobs, looking for jobs.
 
Marthin

Marthin

Sealiner
Nee wat fire n ding wat laf is.... Even with all the talk about restrictions and all the rest, the damage done in the past damage by recreationals, commercials, water pollution or my broken off piece of nylon cos the KFGA was as abrasive resistant as i thought, the most determining factor here and most important to get going YESTERDAY already is proper policing of the laws. Even the current legislature can make a gigantic difference as the no 4X4 one has, IF it can be enforced. All these talks and meetings can stop in my opinion until people are SCARED of the guys with the green lapelle.
 
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carcharias

Sealiner
[color=#006600]neilg[/color] wrote:
Carcharias, if I was talking about a guy that actually chooses to keep his limit.
I'm definately not one of them, I can't eat so much fish, wife won't touch fish, son is allergic and baby girl is just too small (6 months today), and I HATE freezing fish, except if I plan on using it for bait. Nothing beats fresh fish on a braai ... (getting hungry)

My brother still jumps up and down on the boat when I release a 2kg elf or a 5kg cob. But I'm working on him, soon I'll have that "wat byt ry skyt" mentality out of his head. He's already released a few that he would normally have kept. Baby steps ...

Except for the sea sick part I prefer the "deep sea" fishing, and because of the sea sick part I've learnt not to touch bait when I'm at sea (pilchards ... juggghh), this forced me to go lures and I'm really happy I did.

My brother starts swearing when he sees me taking out the Onda. But he doesn't understand, he doesn't get sea sick so he doesn't know what pilchard fingers taste like.

I will never force my way on anyone, if the guy next to me chooses to keep a few fish it's his choice, but I normally start talking to the people about how our fish stocks are damaged, how it's close to collapsing and how every fisherman should try his best to change that. You can see in their eyes they are thinking about it, and not long and they start releasing a few, normally with comments from friends in the distance ... is jy fo%&en mal, daai was a m@*rse mooi elf. I hate that Hitler way of you will do it like this or like that and that's it. Speak to me with mutual respect, explain to me why, then we talking business, so that's what I do with other people aswell.
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I sincrely hope that you did not think that I was trying to force anything upon anybody. If I came across as sutch I apologise.

Im fortunate in that I have never been sea sick. Strangely I get car sick very easily. I use bait but generally dont bottom fish. I really enjoy pulling a whole bunch of lures and experimenting with different patterns.
 
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neilg

Sealiner
[color=#006600]Marthin[/color]

I have no problem with restrictions and laws, IF THEY ARE WELL THOUGHT OUT AND WELL WRITTEN. Not just written for the sake of writing.

With certain species I definately agree with the size bracket, ESPECIALLY COB. The bigger they get the k@kker they taste and ofcourse the bigger fish are the breeding fish.

AS to the amount of a certain species for both parties, like I said I do both types, and understand the logic of more of say cob from a boat, overall limit is still the same and you on the side can target fish that I can't from the boat. If I chose to kept everything I catch of a boat I would spent 30 minutes fishing and would then have to go home (by law) because I caught my 1 cob, 1 elf and so forth ...

I also understand the guy on the side saying why is he allowed more cob than me.

That is a difficult one, I mean the guy on the boat could turn around and say I have access to more fish than you because I have a boat, if you unhappy about it then buy yourself a boat. The guy on the boat has spent more money to have the ability and accessibility to catch more fish.

I do both types of fishing, and catch fish doing it both ways,I enjoy doing it both ways but definately catch much more off the boat.

Please understand I agree with looking at ways to help our fish stocks recover, I have absolutely no problem with it, but it must be done properly.

As for letting the students and professors at a university do the research, best thing Idea i've heard in a long time. Nothing to gain for them ... except a qualification.
 
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carcharias

Sealiner
No probs boet, just hate misunderstandings. Im actually gonna look you up in about a month. I have to go to your valley to do some tuning on a bike. Would love to hook up for a little session of fishing and K@kpraat.
 
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neilg

Sealiner
Marthin

I have never been scared of the guys in khaki and green (spelling), cause I have nothing to worry about.

Hell if they are willing to listen I'll even offer them some advice, I love sharing ... it's caring ...
The problem between me and them is normally the way they approach you, with a very k@k attitude. And believe me I have nothing to hide and have all my papers in order, so you approach me like that and I will share a piece of my mind with you.
I've even had a case where they actually searched the rocks around me cause they saw me catching fish after fish. No problem, I don't mind, enjoy the searching, but if you want something ... be nice.
But that's another story that I don't want to get into, cause now now I'm gonna be saying things about inspectors and MCM that I shouldn't. I don't want to comment on either any further.
 
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neilg

Sealiner
Give me a call when you're here, I'll PM you my number.

as for tuning a bike, if you lived in Boksburg that would be easy ...:hyst:
 
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neilg

Sealiner
I'll speak to my boet, just let me know in advance, maybe we can take the ski-boat out and go look what the elf are doing, they haven't seen me for quite a while, they should be well rested by now.
And then I still have a date with a yellowtail or two, maybe sommer go check what they doing aswell.
 
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