After quite an interesting week of debate on local

Fishton

Sealiner
After quite an interesting week of debate on local (SA) and international forums, one of the issues that came up was “Is Down Scan really a fishing tool, or is it just pretty pictures?”  Targeting deep water structure can be a bit daunting because you can’t physically see what you are fishing.  That is where structure detail and target separation come in.  Take these images below for example.  The first pass over this tree (left) showed a good shoal of bass close together sitting just above the thermocline at 50ft.  But 3 minutes later when I passed over it again, the shoal had moved right near the bottom some 15ft deeper, and were slightly more dispersed.  Some of you reading this must be thinking that I must be seriously miss-informed thinking that bass live that deep, take a look at this video I recorded some weeks back. YouTube - Lowrance DownScan with John Easton 

Knowing how shoaling bass are moving around within major structure is very valuable information.  This was never possible before with conventional 200kHz sonar, or even 83kHz Broadband for that matter, due to the umbrella effect of the arches made by the sound waves hitting the branches.

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For those of you following the forums, local and abroad, you will know by now that the secret to impressing everybody with high frequency sonar is to take screenshots of very large objects like bridges and big trees.  The ‘Home Tree’ in the latest block buster movie Avatar would be a wonderful subject.  But what about smaller trees, and brushpiles? 

Driving around a relatively baron area just south of Ernies Bay point (Slipweigh), I came across this tree lying on the bottom at a depth of 39ft.  There are literally hundreds of these trees lying around Inanda Dam, but this one was different.  There was a thermocline slap bang in the middle of the tree at 36ft, and just above it were 2 little dots. 

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Knowing what I know about bass and how they relate to structure, these had to be two bass.  So it was time to send my little underwater camera down on my marker buoy line again.  After retrieving the camera, and playing the video back, you can just imagine how I felt when I saw these two bass.  The only thing that impressed me more than the bass, was the accuracy of the DownScan screenshot representation of this tree.

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As a freshwater off shore angler, this is the most powerful and amazing tool I have ever had the privilege of owning.
 

BigVan

Senior Member
Hi Fishton

This is interesting technology and I like the idea of confirming with the underwater camera. I am interested in a underwater camera to check what species of fish are on the reefs. I have seen when we dived that we get normal reef species and then sometimes kingfish  and other game fish species. As you get closer to the reef will you normally find the gamefish species will move away as you approach them. Now this does not happen when you fish. So if I can quickly check what kind of fish is on the reef I can start to target them or move on if there is no game fish. Please let me know where I can get such a camera.

Cheers   
 

fedu

Sealiner
Hi Fishton,

Simply amazing the time and effort you take for understanding an testing your sonars tech.

P.S. - Also read the international forums comments.
 

Reefman

Sealiner
Fascinating stuff John!!

You guys need to design something that we R/S guys can use....?! Hmmmm maybe a remote scanner on the bottom of an Aquacat?? Now that could be interesting!
 

Fishton

Sealiner
@BigVan - It is the Casio PowerShot D10

@fedu - thanks for the kind words :)

@Reefman - we do have a wireless sonar that sends data back to a screen on the shore. ;)
 
Hi Fishton, that is brilliant! I recon a lot of fun too. Did you catch those 2 bass or name them?

Now the age old question. Please show us what it can do off-shore.
 

jaenswart

Senior Member
I have not seen any decent offshore images from this technology. It's all stillwater related. I am a little skeptic in it application out here, with swell and much deeper water.

I hope those underwater camera does not look too appetizing for a wahoo, otherwise it could be your most expensive lure ever :)
 
Fishton wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
Now the age old question. Please show us what it can do off-shore.
Now for the age old link - http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=31905&forum_id=20

;););)
Not shooting you down Fishton, sorry man I hope it doesn't come across that way, you are a genius, but I just don't see a ship lying on it's side. I see some sort of structure but nothing identifiable. I still think it is more for the fresh water guys. Only an expert like yourself who does it for a living would see a ship there lying on it's side. And it helps if you know there is a ship there. Here is what I'll do, I'll print those images and ask all my buds (skippers) what they see there without telling them too much. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I need to sit in on one of your advanced courses???

In the fresh water images, you can all but tell the model of the tree.

Does everybody except me see a ship there? http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=31905&forum_id=20

Is there nobody here with a 16' - 19' ski boat that has it fitted?

::respekt:
 

Fishton

Sealiner
Not at all Bennie. ;)

So you won't find a chart like this helpful if you were targeting lets say a wreck holding Geelbek?

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It was a very choppy day so yes, the recordings are not the greatest, and on a jetski doesn't help much either.
 
Fishton wrote:
Not at all Bennie. ;)

So you won't find a chart like this helpful if you were targeting lets say a wreck holding Geelbek?

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It was a very choppy day so yes, the recordings are not the greatest, and on a jetski doesn't help much either.
The chart is awesome! you got my mail, send all your marks and I'll report back ;)

It's the downscan imaging I'm talking about.
 

Fishton

Sealiner
The DownScan works well too, especially when targeting a moving baitball. ;)
 

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fedu

Sealiner
Bennie,

Wait a couple of weeks, I'll do the upgrade on my Humminbird and I know the exact place to test it, 80 meters deep suken ship.

I've scan it so many times with my jigs that I allready know where the tower is, where are the nets that got stuck, where it starts, where it ends.

I even know the exact corner of the ship where the cobs like to hang out...

The only thing that I don't know is where are the 100's of jigs lost there :)

Let's see if the Humminbird tells me what I allready know and a little bit more..
 
fedu wrote:
Bennie,

Wait a couple of weeks, I'll do the upgrade on my Humminbird and I know the exact place to test it, 80 meters deep suken ship.

I've scan it so many times with my jigs that I allready know where the tower is, where are the nets that got stuck, where it starts, where it ends.

I even know the exact corner of the ship where the cobs like to hang out...

The only thing that I don't know is where are the 100's of jigs lost there :)

Let's see if the Humminbird tells me what I allready know and a little bit more..
100's Can't wait. If it works, I'll fit it the next day!:wfish
 

jaenswart

Senior Member
benniejordaan wrote:
Fishton wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
Now the age old question. Please show us what it can do off-shore.
Now for the age old link - http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=31905&forum_id=20

;););)
Not shooting you down Fishton, sorry man I hope it doesn't come across that way, you are a genius, but I just don't see a ship lying on it's side. I see some sort of structure but nothing identifiable. I still think it is more for the fresh water guys. Only an expert like yourself who does it for a living would see a ship there lying on it's side. And it helps if you know there is a ship there. Here is what I'll do, I'll print those images and ask all my buds (skippers) what they see there without telling them too much. Maybe it's just me. Maybe I need to sit in on one of your advanced courses???

In the fresh water images, you can all but tell the model of the tree.

Does everybody except me see a ship there? http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=31905&forum_id=20

Is there nobody here with a 16' - 19' ski boat that has it fitted?

::respekt:

Ag no man Bennie, do you wanna tell me you cannot see "Produce" written on the side of that ship :)
 

jaenswart

Senior Member
Anyways as soon as I win the lotto and Fishton sorts me out on a good price I'm gonna fit the system anyways. I use my boat a lot for bass fishing and tigers as well as estuaries like Mtunzini.

With that toy I will be driving around looking at pictures all day instead of fishing. Imagine the stories that is gonna come out of this....
 

fedu

Sealiner
Hi Fishton,

Could you please tell me if the structurescan "thing" is allready on sale or what you have is just demo unit?
 

fedu

Sealiner
benniejordaan wrote:
fedu wrote:
Bennie,

Wait a couple of weeks, I'll do the upgrade on my Humminbird and I know the exact place to test it, 80 meters deep suken ship.

I've scan it so many times with my jigs that I allready know where the tower is, where are the nets that got stuck, where it starts, where it ends.

I even know the exact corner of the ship where the cobs like to hang out...

The only thing that I don't know is where are the 100's of jigs lost there :)

Let's see if the Humminbird tells me what I allready know and a little bit more..
100's Can't wait. If it works, I'll fit it the next day!:wfish
The Humminbird Down View doesn't go beyond 50 meters deep (just tested)....

Still need to check the Lowrance one.
 
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