Acid Wrap ..rod guide placement

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grootvis

Sealiner
I am not a non-eds fisherman. Has anyone thought about this configuration on their non-eds rods? Apparantly, you also get up to 7 -10% more casting distance and alot of improved pulling torque.

It has become very popular for jigging and some say that its the new generation for big fish rods. Ideas..??
 
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Enigma

Moderator
Not for casting but for jigging with very heavy drag settings on an overhead reel.

We build a lot of them and they help hugely with stability in the fight especially with the fish changing direction under the rod tip

Improved casting distance, maybe with small rods but definitely not with a RSA Styled shark rod. Been there and done that with numerous tests and the loss of distance is substantial

In fact it becomes catastrophic when casting with a windon with a bimini as the loop in the bimini opens and catches the guides
 
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Pslatarix

Sealiner
As Craig said , have only used it on jigging rods. But Enigma is the go-to guy when talking rod building boet so I'd take his word as gospel.
 
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Enigma

Moderator
Thanks guys but I still learn something new everyday but regarding this question....... I had the same question and did the tests myself, on a Blade and Shark Extreme and the results were far from satisfactory.
 
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grootvis

Sealiner
Enigma, Sometimes the configuration of the spiral wrap changes too, is there a specific " rule" regarding this? Reason asking, is I want to attempt at rebuilding some of my estuary rods and was contemplating this technique, just want to know if its worthwhile or not, aesthetically it does not look good but I suppose the functional purpose might be better or not?
 
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Enigma

Moderator
There is no specific formula and the best is to tape the guides in position

1st guide on the spine
2nd guide around 75 degrees rotated
3rd guide around 150 degrees off
This should ideally be in the first 40% of the length of rod between the reel and the tip
Remainder of the guides 180 degrees to 1st guide

Then take reel with 130lbs dacron or nylon twin on and attach a weight to the end and pull the rod (get in a position above the weight ie on a balcony, table or staircase) and check the flow of line through the guides, twist in the rod etc, etc.

If necessary adjust the spacing and consider increasing or decreasing the number of guides in the top half of the rod.

The more guides you have the worde for casting but the better the rod is for setting the hook and for lifting.
 
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flippy

Sealiner
you gonna try casting conventionally with guides placed / spaced like that? what a mission!gud luq
 
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OTGman

New member
Does not improve multiplier distance. 99.9% sure it cuts distance by at least 10% on a magged reel with bare sinker. Line is always rubbing on the guides at side of rod instead of going straight out. Very same reason why no multiplier rod is built with a choking guide.

Pulling torque is improved provided rod has 1 spine. Below is some exception and do not help in acid rod layout.
Glass tip section (no spine)
Carbon fabrics composite (multiple spine close to 180 degree away, rod tend to roll towards 2nd spine)
 
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Mike Smith

Sealiner
Enigma wrote:
There is no specific formula and the best is to tape the guides in position

1st guide on the spine
2nd guide around 75 degrees rotated
3rd guide around 150 degrees off
This should ideally be in the first 40% of the length of rod between the reel and the tip
Remainder of the guides 180 degrees to 1st guide

Then take reel with 130lbs dacron or nylon twin on and attach a weight to the end and pull the rod (get in a position above the weight ie on a balcony, table or staircase) and check the flow of line through the guides, twist in the rod etc, etc.

If necessary adjust the spacing and consider increasing or decreasing the number of guides in the top half of the rod.

The more guides you have the worde for casting but the better the rod is for setting the hook and for lifting.
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Now this is solid! ::S
 
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