Shimano cumara

[Nam-fish]

Hallo all,

I got myself a shimano Chronarch D7  loaded with casting braid (20-25lb)  which I want to pair up with a Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action. I'll be using this outfit mainly for bream fishing in the kavango & some bass fishing as well, mostly for pitching and casting of spinnerbaits, jigs, Spoons and weighted plastics.

Please advise on which lenght rod I should aquire: The 6'8" or rather the 7"2"   Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action? Whats the diffs in applicability of each of theseor is it only a case of personal preferance?

Your inputs are appreciated

Thanx

 

[Little Green Fish]

As far as I got it the length of the rod mainly comes into play with casting distance and accuracy, however, I now own 4 Cumara's and they are all 7"2 rods. strangely enough the one I got today was exactly the same rating and action as the 6,8" but and this is a major BUT, the shorter rod (BTW it's a spinning rod) had waaaaaaaay more flex in the tip, to the point that I just couldn't consider it for cranking, so before you go and just buy the 7"2 MH EF go have a look at the 6"8 with the same specs and then decide which tip flex is suitable to your fishing technique. I suppose having a more flexible tip would be better, you could alternatively look at the 7"2 Med Extra Fast, now that's a super rod, I'm planning on getting myself another one.

I only own one short rod (shorter than 7") and that is my Quantum (used to be 6"10, till my workers shortend it considerably) which is now reffered to as my broomstick which measures 5"8

 

[Cpt. Hook]

Nam-fish wrote:

Hallo all,

I got myself a shimano Chronarch D7  loaded with casting braid (20-25lb)  which I want to pair up with a Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action. I'll be using this outfit mainly for bream fishing in the kavango & some bass fishing as well, mostly for pitching and casting of spinnerbaits, jigs, Spoons and weighted plastics.

Please advise on which lenght rod I should aquire: The 6'8" or rather the 7"2"   Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action? Whats the diffs in applicability of each of theseor is it only a case of personal preferance?

Your inputs are appreciated

Thanx

Cumara is an awesome rod.

If you short like me get a 6'8" if you tall get a 7'2"

 

[Little Green Fish]

Just read your quetsion again, yes I know not my fault thou, Ive lost my mind some time back and well frankly don't see the need to go look for it, so after careful consideration, my advice (few screws missing aswell) is go for the Med Heavy 7"2 with the Extra Fast action I own one of those as well and mine for the applications that you intend using it for, the previous advice on the Med Extra Fast Action can be ignored as I use that rod for weightless plastics (it is however the most sensitve of all the Cumara's), whereas the Med Heavy loses some of that sensitivity, but then you looking at casting spinners and so forth so, sensitivity then will have to be sacrifised for the means to hook up and get the fish out the water, not that the med won't be able to do it but the MH will be the better choice, again 7"2 = distance.  Just one thing to consider, vegetation around the places you're going to use it if fishing from the bank with trees and bush and so forth around (and plenty of it) rather then opt for the 6"8.

 

[CarloT]

Not that easy to pitch with a 7'2"!

 

[Nam-fish]

Fishing Adventures wrote:

Nam-fish wrote:

Hallo all,

I got myself a shimano Chronarch D7  loaded with casting braid (20-25lb)  which I want to pair up with a Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action. I'll be using this outfit mainly for bream fishing in the kavango & some bass fishing as well, mostly for pitching and casting of spinnerbaits, jigs, Spoons and weighted plastics.

Please advise on which lenght rod I should aquire: The 6'8" or rather the 7"2"   Shimano Cumara  rod in Med-Heavy with extra-fast action? Whats the diffs in applicability of each of theseor is it only a case of personal preferance?

Your inputs are appreciated

Thanx

Cumara is an awesome rod.

If you short like me get a 6'8" if you tall get a 7'2"

Ja, I'm 6'5" so guess the 7'2" is the one hey....

 

[Nam-fish]

Little Green Fish wrote:

Just read your quetsion again, yes I know not my fault thou, Ive lost my mind some time back and well frankly don't see the need to go look for it, so after careful consideration, my advice (few screws missing aswell) is go for the Med Heavy 7"2 with the Extra Fast action I own one of those as well and mine for the applications that you intend using it for, the previous advice on the Med Extra Fast Action can be ignored as I use that rod for weightless plastics (it is however the most sensitve of all the Cumara's), whereas the Med Heavy loses some of that sensitivity, but then you looking at casting spinners and so forth so, sensitivity then will have to be sacrifised for the means to hook up and get the fish out the water, not that the med won't be able to do it but the MH will be the better choice, again 7"2 = distance.  Just one thing to consider, vegetation around the places you're going to use it if fishing from the bank with trees and bush and so forth around (and plenty of it) rather then opt for the 6"8.

Thanx a mil!!! The 7"2" it will be then. We mainly fish from a boat from the river towards the riverbank (reedbanks). Normally the bream keep pretty much in the thick stuff, so thats why I also thought the Med-heavy is the better choice. I seldom fish with anything lighter than 1/2ounce (and up to 2ounce sometimes..), as the current are quite strong and tends to wash your lure out of the holes before adequately sinking, when going to light. therefor the x-heavy action.

BTW, I can pick it up in Windhoek for around R1750. Is this about right?

P.S. My tor is ook lankal van die prop af in die top floor, so we'll get along just fine.... 

 

[ignatius]

Hi Namfish, been a long time
I agree with Carlo T, make sure you are comfortable to pitch with the longer rod.

 

[Nam-fish]

ignatius wrote:

Hi Namfish, been a long time
I agree with Carlo T, make sure you are comfortable to pitch with the longer rod.

Hallo Naas,

Jy weet mos ek kan elk geval nie visvang nie, sal maar volgende  mei-maand jou klein breampies opkoop dat ek darem ook iets kan inweeg vir 'n verandering.......:third

BTW, was julle toe op Zambezi Classic toe, ek hoor dit was maar moeilik..?

 

[ignatius]

Ons sal volgende jaar meer info moet ruil. Jy praat nou van hierdie baba? Ja was baie moeilik, volgens Marlon en Jandre.

 

[Nam-fish]

Dis nou presies daai nembwes waarvan ek praat! Sal met liefde daai "ou kleintjies" van jou hande afneem om plek te maak vir die grotes in julle livewell 

Mooi vis Naas!! Was jy saam Marlon en Jandre in 'n span?? Het gehoor Marlon se span het goed gevaar. (Enigste "bekendes wat iets reggekry het, die res het glo almal uit die bus geval...?)

Veral die tiere en Nembwes was moeilik?

....... en toe wen JJ die boot...........:kaykak !!!!!!!!!!??????

 

[CarloT]

I'm 6'4" and I battle to pitch with the 7'2"!

 

[nutt]

Hi Nam-Fish

I have to agree with Carlo-T, even from the boat and bieng 6ft 5 tall you will battle, unsless you have a raised platform on your boat. Then just to be sure of the actual terminology here and not being funny, you want to be buying the right thing here (because they cost a little less than a new kidney), "Pitching" a lure is when you dispatch the lure from your hand swinging the rod away from the body in an upwards arc. Then you get the "Flipping" technique where you hold the rod in the right hand and take the line in your left hand and pendulum the lure accross to the target, a technique used to get Bass out of some really thick / dense cover close to the boat (15ft away maximum) where great accuracy and soft presentation are necessary. 

Pitching a medium heavy action is perfect. Flipping a heavy action is desireable because you want to turn a fish and litreally heave it out the water before it wraps your line and breaks you off, oh and when flipping in areas known for Duma Bass that is 3kg plus then you want to use 30Kg line too. I recall a tournament against Zim where one of the Zim chaps broke no less than three All Star 7ft 6 Flipping sticks at arround R1200 a piece in those days (+- 15years ago). These were on bass holding in the tops of flooded trees in 50FT of water.

Cheers

Nutt

 

 

 

[Nam-fish]

CarloT wrote:

I'm 6'4" and I battle to pitch with the 7'2"!

I hear you CarloT. I have to to try and get a compromise between an outfit with which I can use for pitching and making long accurate casts as well. I know the answer is that I should get 2 seperate outfits, one for each aplication, but aai, the mulah...!

I got the chronarch, based on what I read about the reel which is that it has excellent casting and pitching properties. If I understand you correctly, for pitching a 6'6" rod is better and for long casting, a 7'2"... and thus a 6'8" should be the best of both worlds?

 

[Nam-fish]

nutt wrote:

Hi Nam-Fish

I have to agree with Carlo-T, even from the boat and bieng 6ft 5 tall you will battle, unsless you have a raised platform on your boat. Then just to be sure of the actual terminology here and not being funny, you want to be buying the right thing here (because they cost a little less than a new kidney), "Pitching" a lure is when you dispatch the lure from your hand swinging the rod away from the body in an upwards arc. Then you get the "Flipping" technique where you hold the rod in the right hand and take the line in your left hand and pendulum the lure accross to the target, a technique used to get Bass out of some really thick / dense cover close to the boat (15ft away maximum) where great accuracy and soft presentation are necessary. 

Pitching a medium heavy action is perfect. Flipping a heavy action is desireable because you want to turn a fish and litreally heave it out the water before it wraps your line and breaks you off, oh and when flipping in areas known for Duma Bass that is 3kg plus then you want to use 30Kg line too. I recall a tournament against Zim where one of the Zim chaps broke no less than three All Star 7ft 6 Flipping sticks at arround R1200 a piece in those days (+- 15years ago). These were on bass holding in the tops of flooded trees in 50FT of water.

Cheers

Nutt

 

 

Thanx for your post. I'm not that a big bass fundy and my english is sometimes found wanting.... so yes, I guess I have my terminology mixed up a bit- sorry for the confusion. Denitely flipping is the more appropriate term. The fish almost always keep right inside/between the thick stuff on the river bank, and a rod with heavy rating is required to try and turn the fish.

One will typically do,  say, 50% short to medium casts, 30% medium to long casts, flipping 15%, and 5% pitching, in a days fishing on the river. (@ Ignatius - you know how it works- is this about right?)

So, I've got the chronarch already, and want to match it up with a suitable lenght rod for above aplication? (As you say, its expensive, so I don't want to make the wrong choices here, thats why I really appreciate all of your inputs)

Thanx

 

 

[ignatius]

Yes Pieter
Ernest and myself will do about 95% pitching and only 5% casts to spots that we miss first time.
I think you must concentrate on a pitching rod. When you drive past Otji we can practice with different lenghts and actions. With practice you might come right with the longer rod, but I prefer 6'6"