pappi choulo
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lekker man! looks like you're getting your head around this fast! don't forget to post some pics!
Critically balanced
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Polychaete
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About 3 kg's
Polychaete, Not to be funny, but to help you, It seems to me you not using the correct specimen terminal tackle, but rather a mixture of conventional and specimen tackle.
The two styles are totally different in approach, I would suggest, either one or the other.
I know this thread is for critically balanced baits, but feel I need to deviate a bit sothat you get a better idea of hair rigs.
Seeing as this is the Specimen division on Sealine, Im only gonna discuss specimen rigs here.
If you want to catch with a hair rig, you should make it correctly, the hair is the same line used to make your hooklink, no joins, its one piece.(can be mono or coated braid, even plain braid for a supple hooklink)
Check this link out, it explains how to tie a basic hair rig and hooklink,this should be your first approach, and then altering it slightly to suit your situation. Hooklink, usually 200mm from knotless knot to swivel where you connect to the lead.
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/Rig-Section/Carp-Rigs/tie_hair_rig_knotless_knot.html
Take note, the direction of the threading of the hooklink material, it must come out of the hook eye on the hook point side, creating an angle toward the hook point, (inward offset) you can also, pull this angle more by using shrink tubing, by threading it onto the hook eye and over the knotless knot and steaming the shrink tube while tensioning the hooklink.
When you feed your bait onto the hair, you want a gap of 5-10mm, if you hold the hooklink by the swivel and let the hook hang, the gap Im refering to is from the bait to the bottom of the hook bend.
Also, circle hooks are not a good choice, rather use a wide gape hook or a long shank hook.
When it comes to leaders, use about 600mm to 1m leadcore, splice both ends and fit a swivel to the bottom end, connect youre hooklink to this swivel, then slide an inline lead on the leader sothat it snaps onto the swivel. finally, tie your mainline to the leader spliced loop on the other end and you ready to go.
Baits, dont put anything on the hook, first put a gummy stop on the hair, then just thread baits onto the hair as shown in the (above link) using a needle, then floating device, (artificial maize, cork, or foam, or popup boillie)then put a bait stop in the hair loop and pull everything tight towards the bait stop by pushing the gummy stop up, this way your bait is trapped between the gummy stop and the bait stop.
Using the palm test I posted earlier, you should get a hookup on your palm everytime.
Now you can go to the dam knowing the rig is upto scratch and if fish take it, you should get a decent hookup.
Hope this helps you understand how a hair rig is tied and used.
The two styles are totally different in approach, I would suggest, either one or the other.
I know this thread is for critically balanced baits, but feel I need to deviate a bit sothat you get a better idea of hair rigs.
Seeing as this is the Specimen division on Sealine, Im only gonna discuss specimen rigs here.
If you want to catch with a hair rig, you should make it correctly, the hair is the same line used to make your hooklink, no joins, its one piece.(can be mono or coated braid, even plain braid for a supple hooklink)
Check this link out, it explains how to tie a basic hair rig and hooklink,this should be your first approach, and then altering it slightly to suit your situation. Hooklink, usually 200mm from knotless knot to swivel where you connect to the lead.
http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/Rig-Section/Carp-Rigs/tie_hair_rig_knotless_knot.html
Take note, the direction of the threading of the hooklink material, it must come out of the hook eye on the hook point side, creating an angle toward the hook point, (inward offset) you can also, pull this angle more by using shrink tubing, by threading it onto the hook eye and over the knotless knot and steaming the shrink tube while tensioning the hooklink.
When you feed your bait onto the hair, you want a gap of 5-10mm, if you hold the hooklink by the swivel and let the hook hang, the gap Im refering to is from the bait to the bottom of the hook bend.
Also, circle hooks are not a good choice, rather use a wide gape hook or a long shank hook.
When it comes to leaders, use about 600mm to 1m leadcore, splice both ends and fit a swivel to the bottom end, connect youre hooklink to this swivel, then slide an inline lead on the leader sothat it snaps onto the swivel. finally, tie your mainline to the leader spliced loop on the other end and you ready to go.
Baits, dont put anything on the hook, first put a gummy stop on the hair, then just thread baits onto the hair as shown in the (above link) using a needle, then floating device, (artificial maize, cork, or foam, or popup boillie)then put a bait stop in the hair loop and pull everything tight towards the bait stop by pushing the gummy stop up, this way your bait is trapped between the gummy stop and the bait stop.
Using the palm test I posted earlier, you should get a hookup on your palm everytime.
Now you can go to the dam knowing the rig is upto scratch and if fish take it, you should get a decent hookup.
Hope this helps you understand how a hair rig is tied and used.
Polychaete
Senior Member
I do not take offence at all, in fact love some advice.
However I may be a very disappointing student as I don't really see myself becoming a Specimen Carp Angler, nor do I plan to spend any serious money on new tackle, I have enough of all sorts to last till the end of my days. So I suppose I just want to learn about the carp behaviour which I find fascinating, catch a few in the process using what I have without hurting them excessively, and take some pictures of the events.
I also do not want to give to much publicity to what I'm doing as there is a very poor community close by which may discover this as a new source of protein.
I am using the lightest tackle I have, so it is quite fun to subdue a 3kg Carp after its bolted.
I suppose I accidentally hijacked this thread a bit and thought you may find my antics interesting for which reason I provide some feedback. There is an astonishing amount of information on the web about this topic, and it is clear that it is probably the biggest form of fishing in the world, that in itself is something I never knew. Also watched a number of videos of carp feeding.
To get back to the present, Ive taken note of all the advice and have made changes to my terminal tackle. Experimenting is also what this is about to me and Ironically, for the first time I caught absolutely nothing on Sunday. At first I saw some fish and then exactly as the previous day, they just disappeared, this time very soon after I got there. My thoughts are that the fish can see the weekend people around, get disturbed by dogs jumping in the water, get over fished and over fed and things should be better during the week.
I am getting a bit frustrated as now I am not able to determine if its my changed rig(s) and bait or the fish that is causing this, but I believe the latter.
Thanks again for enduring me on your thread.
However I may be a very disappointing student as I don't really see myself becoming a Specimen Carp Angler, nor do I plan to spend any serious money on new tackle, I have enough of all sorts to last till the end of my days. So I suppose I just want to learn about the carp behaviour which I find fascinating, catch a few in the process using what I have without hurting them excessively, and take some pictures of the events.
I also do not want to give to much publicity to what I'm doing as there is a very poor community close by which may discover this as a new source of protein.
I am using the lightest tackle I have, so it is quite fun to subdue a 3kg Carp after its bolted.
I suppose I accidentally hijacked this thread a bit and thought you may find my antics interesting for which reason I provide some feedback. There is an astonishing amount of information on the web about this topic, and it is clear that it is probably the biggest form of fishing in the world, that in itself is something I never knew. Also watched a number of videos of carp feeding.
To get back to the present, Ive taken note of all the advice and have made changes to my terminal tackle. Experimenting is also what this is about to me and Ironically, for the first time I caught absolutely nothing on Sunday. At first I saw some fish and then exactly as the previous day, they just disappeared, this time very soon after I got there. My thoughts are that the fish can see the weekend people around, get disturbed by dogs jumping in the water, get over fished and over fed and things should be better during the week.
I am getting a bit frustrated as now I am not able to determine if its my changed rig(s) and bait or the fish that is causing this, but I believe the latter.
Thanks again for enduring me on your thread.
Polychaete, cool man, As this is a specimen section, I just thought you were going the spec way with your attempts, and shedding some light on the subject for you.
Well Im pleased to hear you keeping that venue a secret... most of us do that, if you look at posts of catch reports they normally posted aith the famous "private dam" caption..lol! except if it is a syndicate dam where there is no danger of "poaching" so to say.
Keep up the trials, experimenting etc. Ive noticed weekends are a bit low on other dams, but those are fished hard, I think the fish have become accustomed to no go weekend feeding lol!
A friend of mine does his sessions from monday to wed or so and the results are much better.
Remember if you can see them, they can see you, you may need to start a stalking tactic, they may be associating seeing you with a pain in the jaw hehehehe!
Well Im pleased to hear you keeping that venue a secret... most of us do that, if you look at posts of catch reports they normally posted aith the famous "private dam" caption..lol! except if it is a syndicate dam where there is no danger of "poaching" so to say.
Keep up the trials, experimenting etc. Ive noticed weekends are a bit low on other dams, but those are fished hard, I think the fish have become accustomed to no go weekend feeding lol!
A friend of mine does his sessions from monday to wed or so and the results are much better.
Remember if you can see them, they can see you, you may need to start a stalking tactic, they may be associating seeing you with a pain in the jaw hehehehe!
Polychaete
Senior Member
This is a very nice & friendly part of Sealine..........I'm going to get 
for saying something like that.
a Very kind offer [color=#006600]momo330[/color], but if you , this time don't take offence, it would be wasted on me, besides the fact that I pride myself in being able to make most things myself. I am retired, have heaps time.
There are two things that Ive already proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, the fish can see you even if you're partly hidden behind a bush (I've wondered if they can hear my heart beat) And the second point is that they somehow see that the bait with the hook is different, avoid it and some even run away from it. They often become aware of it 5 mt away, so maybe its the line they see.
This must be seen against the background of the very small dam I'm fishing with above average clear water.
Maybe when I get tired of this ill write a report on my Carp fishing experience and my observations.
Thanks
for saying something like that.a Very kind offer [color=#006600]momo330[/color], but if you , this time don't take offence, it would be wasted on me, besides the fact that I pride myself in being able to make most things myself. I am retired, have heaps time.
There are two things that Ive already proven beyond any doubt whatsoever, the fish can see you even if you're partly hidden behind a bush (I've wondered if they can hear my heart beat) And the second point is that they somehow see that the bait with the hook is different, avoid it and some even run away from it. They often become aware of it 5 mt away, so maybe its the line they see.
This must be seen against the background of the very small dam I'm fishing with above average clear water.
Maybe when I get tired of this ill write a report on my Carp fishing experience and my observations.
Thanks
Hehehehe! Man after my own heart! Polyfiller, lol! I too like making my own goodies, look at that site/link I gave you, easy man, you have every thing you need to make the rig. and it shows you step by step... try them, see what happens.
A report woulld be great, when you done, Its unreal the way they see you in clear water, we had fish in the margin at a certain dam where it was clear, bass, kurper, carp all scampered away as we approached, but, kneeling, and in CAMO"S (lol) they ventured back. so yeah, write that report, its fascinating to observing fish behaviour in their natural enhabitat.
PS... yeah you right, you could get it for that nice comment lol! look how sad we are! hehehehe!
A report woulld be great, when you done, Its unreal the way they see you in clear water, we had fish in the margin at a certain dam where it was clear, bass, kurper, carp all scampered away as we approached, but, kneeling, and in CAMO"S (lol) they ventured back. so yeah, write that report, its fascinating to observing fish behaviour in their natural enhabitat.
PS... yeah you right, you could get it for that nice comment lol! look how sad we are! hehehehe!