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 Posted: Tue Jan 29th, 2008 11:10 am
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Shucks guys. Was bound to buy some KF braid yesterday but luckily my supplier didn't have any. Filled my Saltist with 300m of KF 50lb a while ago. That hasn't even got wet yet.........................

Get big reels and fill them up with mono????????????
EEEEIISHHHH now i'm worried

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 Posted: Tue Jan 29th, 2008 11:31 am
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Where are you my man this is food for you to research.

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My dealer just told me the Suffix people told him that they are aware their braid is breaking at 20% less than the rated breaking strain

This is bulls...:X:headb

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Sards, I WISH it was only 20% below... more like 50%!

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So what is gonna be done about this situation....its just hogwash!

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Hi Guys.....Sheez..Blow me over!!!..I have 40lb Sufix on my Calcutta 700. My plan was to get Charles from Angling Africa to transfer that onto my 400B, and then purchase 50lb Whiplash for the 700. Was going to do this tomorrow......for now I think I will hold back pending comments/resolution from the braid suppliers and you guys.

Simen, on top of the Sufix I have 250M KF Giant Abrasion 25lb....and as yet have not had had the good fortune of anything to pull me into the backing. Was saving that pleasure for Baz.....now I am worried that should/when that happens, it will be the BRAID that fails. Can't have that happen....no ways. Alternative plan needed.

Graeme, Nice Carpenter.....and your Popper collection is coming on nicely. Did your source the Komodo locally? As per our PM, that thing looks demon. BTW, are we still on for Saturday?

Better get to the bottom of this braid thing quickly (the fishing equivalent of ESKOM - breaks when least expected).

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Quick search on the web found this thread......results are exactly the opposite of what we are seeing here. Be interesting to find out how he conducted these tests.....

http://anglerstalk.yuku.com/topic/521

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Guys, below are today's 80lb braid test results from MIAS 4 Ways . . . make up your own minds on 80lb as i did not test any other breaking strain.

I also tested Maxima 55lb mono which broke at 44lb or 80% stated strength.

The best brands are from left to right in order with best at 48lb or 60%, 44lb, 42lb, 36lb, 36lb and worst (ANDE) at 28lb or 35%.

Mias owner had 2 braid reps on line and they both said IGFA does not recognize braid strengths. Question asked of reps is "what does 80lb on spools mean?" and "how do u test strngth of braid?" and "why is braid tests so different from mono results". they will/may come back with explanation

 

 

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Contacted both Berkley ( UK ) and Sufix ( Taiwan ) sales managers today and posed the problems to them---- Lets see if we get an answer

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These 2 brands gave best results and diameter of Cortland is similar to braids. TUNA stuff is chepest price at about R400/300m.

when i was taking photos of products in shop, Mo from MIAS got a bit shirty and suggested i take a pic of the shelf full of braid so that everyone could see the crap braid he was selling.

So i explained that its in his best interests for his group to sort problem out as he was now aware of it and if he does get reliable braid everyone will support them. if not we will post on internet that they are unscrupulous dealers

they will refund me fully for spools of Viper braid

NEPPS do u have any experience of cortland on stellas?

 

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GL wrote: I also tested Maxima 55lb mono which broke at 44lb or 80% stated strength.

The best brands are from left to right in order with best at 48lb or 60%, 44lb, 42lb, 36lb, 36lb and worst (ANDE) at 28lb or 35%.



Graeme, you're a STAR boet! These are absolutely amazing results....

:clap12Well done for doing this....

Do us a favour, I can't see the makes of all those Braids, can you post the names too?

Did you test Berkley Whiplash??

What the heck is going on? ANDE and Sufix testing at 35% breaking strength????? And the BEST one being 60%???? ::lostit:

 

@Simen... shot for that bud... keep us posted guys, and anyone else doing research on this...

 

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In this pic from Lt to RT - Spectron (48Lb), Pioneer Tuna Terror(44lb) (never heard of it), Jigman X8 (42lb), Yo-Zuri (42lb)

 

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the rest of the worst from LT to RT - Viper (36Lb), Berkley Whiplash(36Lb), Suffix (32lb), Ande (28lb).

just chatted to someone who got back from Lazarus banks and he bitched about braid breaks . . . biggest GT in group = 42kg. Funny thing is he took off his green stren braid and put Ande 80lb on and said it was better than stren

 

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Have anny one tried to wet the braid before testing. I found it to be mutch stronger when wet.

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Reefer..one other thing,are your'll testing in constant pressure or spiking the pressure by means off jerking the line? Then try wetting the line too..it might be a factor to add?

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Starting to sound like a bit of a lottery as to brand. I agree with Sailfish and MA about weting the braid first and also for consistency of results, all factors in all tests besides brand should be stable or unchanged for any accuracy.
As for the reps story about IGFA and non recognition of strengths,it certainly sounds plausible given the inconsistincies of these rsults alone. I think the Japanese just measure strength according to its PE number alone from what I understand.Could be wrong on that one tho.

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Constant Pressure and I don't think wetting the line is a factor - because I feel that braid breaking just anywhere for no reason not even on the Knots will break while fishing just passed the top eye of your rod before it even gets wet.

I tested a brand new spool of kingfisher 20.4kg Braid last night constant pressure not spiking it and it broke every time in the 6-8kg range and not on the knots but in the middle for no apparent reason. The Crux of the matter and which pisses me off is that I paid for 20.4kg braid and its breaks at that 30% of that - I bought it and never used it .


I have been a strong supporter of Kingfisher - fishing with kingfisher rods line etc but I am loosing faith in kingfisher.

I am waiting for my local Tackle Shop to open to confirm what braid was spooled on my Trini as the tests done on them I managed 18 - 20kg before breaking and I am under the impression that it is either Berkley Big Game or Whiplash 50lb  - I can live with that.......

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i agree with you raggie, wetting is not a factor as far as im concerned, the whiplash that broke on my reel was dry.
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On the contrary guys.... wetting a line, especially braid, will cause it to weaken, NOT get stronger! So these tests we're doing is the strongest that braid is ever going to get! It has been shown in nylon as well, where water molecules penetrate between the nylon molecules, causing a weakening of up to 40%.

As far as the tests go, yes, obviously they should be done by putting constant pressure on the line with no jerking!! All the guys doing these tests I think would have the savvy to do that! Savvy?

The bottom line (s'cuse the pun!) here is... if you want to fish with 40lb braid backing, you have to use 80lb "claimed" braid.... that doubles the diameter of the line, allowing much less backing....

So then the next question is... is it worth it to use the braid?:?

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Spiking during the test is pointless in that should you be fishing with nylon top shot then any sudden spike will be absorb in the stretch of the nylon

I am happy my trini's are are spooled with 50lbs whiplash (just confirmed - wasn't sure if it was Whiplash or Big game)and the worst break was on 18kg

a question for you guys - how much pressure is actually going to be on that braid if you have 200 - 300m top shot out into the water and you actually into your braid
secondly getting back to this whole debate about shimano and daiwa drag and limit being 20 - 30 lbs could this also help the braid

but like Tony says the bottom line is you buying 50lbs braid and its breaking 70% under its rating

thats like buying porsche only to discover there is 1600 Bettle engine in - but you paid the price of the porcshe

I will continue using whiplash as backing even though it is more expensive but the result is now before I respool or spool any reel with braid I want the shop owner to do a test on the breaking stain

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