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 Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2022 12:07 pm
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I'm scaling down my tackle and looking to get a medium action 13-14ft rod, rated around 4-5oz for fishing straight 65lb braid on a multiplier.

There seems so be endless options for grinder / braid rods, but not much for casting specifically for braid, i.e. a bit slower action. My current setup is still a 24T graphite so not sure what good options are out there for casting rods because most seem like HMG or 30T or more.

My other options are to get a rod built or just use a grinder rod like the assassin bluefish? I also don't see blanks available on either Blue Marlin or Purglass websites...

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 Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2022 01:38 pm
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Ok, found

Assassin Bluefish Special, Casting rod, 14ft 3-4oz PE2-3 (up to 40lb whatever that means, not sure if any small multiplier has more than 30lb drag effective drag?)
Anybody use one of these? I will probably want to cast a 5oz as well so don't want to go to light.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2022 06:18 pm
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I agree, grinder fans are spoiled for choice, whilst it has become a bit of a challenge to find decent multiplier/casting rods from the shelve. I still fish with my old Purglass and Blue Marlins rods. However, as far as I am aware (correct me if I am wrong- both are no longer in business). A year or two ago I bought a Loomis & Franklin Shockwave HMG and I am quite happy with it (I have the 14ft 5-7 oz model). They also don’t break the bank. I have enclosed the specification chart, borrowed from Ganis’ website.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 21st, 2022 09:10 pm
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Blue marlin is back in business under new owners as far as I know?

How does a k series, low reel seat grinder rod work with a multiplier on it? Maybe one eye change or addition?

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 Posted: Wed Jun 22nd, 2022 08:15 am
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i would look around for a purglass stroke 2 blank. I still have one and wouldnt part with it out of my dead cold hands..

I have a seagrand II that with only 1 tip, the 6 ounce and is my primary choice.

The Blue Marlin G3 series also never let me down.
I do think with some of the southern cape fishing you do, getting a 5-7 ounce is a good idea with 65lb braid, with a .80 or even .90 leader on the 7 ounce you can fish for crackers in most of the places with the same rod and different tip.

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Yes, if I could conjure up a rod it would be something like a Purglass 400/2 one piece with simple Fuji BNOGs, black binding and black wingrip.

I'm going to have a look at the Loomis & Franklin rods, always good value for money!

Looking to pair it with a Saltist 35H.

Will have two setups my 15/30 with 80lb (good bullet proof setup) and the 35H with 65lb for a bit further casts and land based only, no swimming or wading... for now .

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
Blue marlin is back in business under new owners as far as I know?

How does a k series, low reel seat grinder rod work with a multiplier on it? Maybe one eye change or addition?


That's good, I'm going to check in with one of the local rod builders, they normally keep in contact with these guys.

The reel seat will be a bit uncomfortable, not sure the k series will be an issue. I still have assassin lite, which have "normal guides" and a flip up, so might just use that and get another grinder rod. The assassin light cast a 5oz no problem so should be ok, but it's actually just a bit short for my intended application.

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Okuma Precision 14' 3-5oz.
Dont even worry about the grinder specs.
Remove the Bionic finger if it really bothers you.
Awesome blank. Great guides, certainly better than used on the (non-zero sepcced) Blue Fish casting version.
Rod is easliy capaable of a 160m+ cast with a 4oz sinker (no bait) and a small multiplier.

Reel: Penn Squall II 15 or for more money a Fathom II 15 / 15 DCS.
They come magged (externally adjustable) from the factory.

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Shot boet, Ja I thought it would not make that much of a difference, the k series are spaced closer than normal on a grinder rod..I spin with two light rods I just stuck a multi on the bottom and fish the rod upside down..Blue marlin raptor 316 (chopped short to use the existing reel seat) and a loomis archipelago 10ft that I just tied a reel to the handle with 1mm mono and its never budged..Both have k series I think and none I have any issues with line slapping the blank in cast or touching on a fish..Also my boat rod is a jig stick chopped short from the butt to fit a multi and I dont have issues there either with the fuji eye setup..So i thought the guide setup probably work fine..I can say about the k series grinder rods that I use multiplier on, they cast like a dream, the line sings through those guides...

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Tackle-holic wrote:
Okuma Precision 14' 3-5oz.
Dont even worry about the grinder specs.
Remove the Bionic finger if it really bothers you.
Awesome blank. Great guides, certainly better than used on the (non-zero sepcced) Blue Fish casting version.
Rod is easliy capaable of a 160m+ cast with a 4oz sinker (no bait) and a small multiplier.

Reel: Penn Squall II 15 or for more money a Fathom II 15 / 15 DCS.
They come magged (externally adjustable) from the factory.


Howzit Brandon, are you well?
I realise that there are staunch multiplier followers like, Doc. But from an easy of fishing point of view, is there really still place for multipliers, or is it the same as playing golf regarding blades and cavity backs? Cavity backs are more forgiving, however the feeling you have when striking a blade club sweet is like..............

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Huzzit!

My mutipliers are all easy to use. I do not like to struggle and faff around

Do I tune some to be beasties? Ya sure, but not for fishing.

I have grinders too remember, I just enjoy multipliers more for most (not all)  of my fishing.

Any heavy line, be it mono or braid is nicer on a conventional reel.


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DJP wrote:
Ok, found

Assassin Bluefish Special, Casting rod, 14ft 3-4oz PE2-3 (up to 40lb whatever that means, not sure if any small multiplier has more than 30lb drag effective drag?)
Anybody use one of these? I will probably want to cast a 5oz as well so don't want to go to light.


I have the 14 ft 3-4 oz Bluefish special with a Stradic 6000 and I love the setup and I cast a 5 oz sinker 8 out of 10 times.The only negative maybe with the rod is that between the reefs when you are fighting a good size fish like a 4-5kg Shad it lacks the backbone to get the fish over the reefs as I found out 2 weeks ago,actually its not a negative because firstly thats not what the Bluefish was made for.

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Hi Brandon,
I have not been very active on the forum due to other pressures. However it is nice to see you are still alive;)

It is just interesting that barring the 'loyalty', and long casting distance of the multipliers, that anglers still find a place for multipliers in R&S fishing with braid.
Even if the Multiplier is 'magged', line retrieve control, guiding onto spool, fingers battered by braid, needing to look down to ensure line on reel is even etc.
I have fished both, and primarily multipliers and have switched to fixed spool the past 2 years for R&S.
I just cannot believe other than loyalty and the long cast discipline that is is more efficient for R&S fishing.
I am referring primarily to ease of use which directly influences efficiency.

Each to his own hey!

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Hey Lofty,

Absolutely agree, use it for its intended purpose. Although Brandon is an expert on rods, his knowledge and technical precision to obtain the best from a given rod is undeniable.
He has advised me on many rods without any expectation of any returns.
Too much is made of the flippen grinder and multiplier and rod argument, especially concerning rods.
Any rod can work if we think it through and contact honest, straight talking people.
as an example: I have 46T Okuma Makaira Black, 13 ft. A fantastic rod, although I could cast the rod acceptable distances i.e. 150m with 5 ounce only and 40 pound braid, the casting was tire some and uncomfortable. I sent Brandon my casting videos, distances, line diameters, sinker weights etc. Still he tells me it is a fantastic blank and there is nothing wrong with the distance. It just felt horrible to cast. By all means, hell it is fantastically light, has tremendous back bone, excellent guides and very well made.
Brandon sent me videos of him casting the same rod with extreme distances and blank loading. We must be mindful that I am not like Brandon that does 2 off flick flacks, double pirouettes and a bemini twist before I cast.
And you now old soutie from up their in Gauteng, he does not mince his words, which I am very appreciative off as I am the same, both engineering minds.
So here is the kicker solution to improve the feel of ease of casting as I needed the back bone to pull crackers over the ledges: He suggested changing my braided leader to a mono leader. Although the rod action did not change much when casting, the mono leader made all the difference for ease of casting.
...................................outcome: now it is my favourite R&S rod.
Thank you Boet
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My best multiplier spinning stick is on a blue marlin grinder blank..go figure...

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One of mine is built on a Century 12' long range carp blank.
Throws 2-5oz.

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Fly-aholic wrote: Hi Brandon,
I have not been very active on the forum due to other pressures. However it is nice to see you are still alive;)

It is just interesting that barring the 'loyalty', and long casting distance of the multipliers, that anglers still find a place for multipliers in R&S fishing with braid.
Even if the Multiplier is 'magged', line retrieve control, guiding onto spool, fingers battered by braid, needing to look down to ensure line on reel is even etc.
I have fished both, and primarily multipliers and have switched to fixed spool the past 2 years for R&S.
I just cannot believe other than loyalty and the long cast discipline that is is more efficient for R&S fishing.
I am referring primarily to ease of use which directly influences efficiency.

Each to his own hey!

Of course, but why throw the baby out with the bath water?

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I picked up a 2nd hand okuma metaloid. It looks a bit clumsy but I am surprised how nicely it casts. I use it with a grinder but reckon it will run a multiplier very well also.

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Pylstert wrote:
I picked up a 2nd hand okuma metaloid. It looks a bit clumsy but I am surprised how nicely it casts. I use it with a grinder but reckon it will run a multiplier very well also.

Those are excellent blanks, very good/easy casting rod. Just ask Brandon and Enigma for their opinion. I have been looking for 1 for a while, until I have sorted out my Makaira's casting.

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Look out for a Purglass Executive second hand.

I managed to accumulate the 400/4, 400/3 and 350/2 all best rods I have ever owned for their own purposes. Took me about a year to find. They are out there and people are selling cheap to but into the multiplier frenzy.

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