Milnerton Beach off Woodbridge Island

trier

Senior Member
[color=#006600]muhaha[/color] wrote:
What is interesting for me is that Caltex has just dropped R 110 Million into upgrading their wastewater treatment plant at the refinery which pumps wastewater into the sea. This has been coming on a while now after kitesurfers proved that the air on the water is .....FLAMMABLE! DEAT came down hard on Chevron and many a directors pants got soiled when they realised that simple kitesurfers are the reason they had to part with such large amounts of cash.

Almost forgot to mention that Chevron has never given a sh!t about the environment even though they want the world to believe they do.
The cost of the WWTP was more in the range of R180 mill and Caltex has ALWAYS complied with their licence agreement and the plant has always been operating within specifications. Also i dont work for them.  The problem with kite surfers was the smell nuisance and they did the upgrade as a FAVOUR.  Check the journal Water,Sewage and Effluent May 2006 or 07 just not so sure about the date now cannot find the book
 

muhaha

Senior Member
The upgrade was a favour? Did i mention flammable air? please.....

I was referring to Chevron as a whole globally, i can give you multiple instances of chevron's neglect for the environment. Just one example is Richmond California below:

Study: Refinery pollution trapped in homes
Wednesday, April 09, 2008 | 9:16 AM
By Bay City News
RICHMOND, CA -- Results from a toxics exposure study released Saturday found that harmful pollutants from Chevron's Richmond refinery were getting trapped inside people's homes, researchers said.

Researchers from University of California, Berkeley, Brown University, Silent Spring Institute and Communities for a Better Environment took air samples in the summer of 2006 from inside and outside homes in Bolinas, where there is no nearby source of industrial pollution, and homes in two Richmond communities that border the refinery.

Scientists conducting the study, "Linking Breast Cancer Advocacy and Environmental Justice," analyzed air samples from 40 homes in Richmond's Atchison and Liberty villages and 10 in Bolinas. The samples were tested for the presence of 155 chemicals known to cause cancer in laboratory animals, respiratory diseases and endocrine system disorders, said Rachel Morello-Frosch, an associate professor at UC Berkeley's Department of Environmental Science and Policy Management and the School of Public Health.

Nearly half the homes tested in Richmond had inside levels of particulate matter known to come from oil refining that exceeded California's air quality standards, Morello-Frosch said.

Jessica Tovar, a community organizer with Communities for a Better Environment, an Oakland-based environmental justice organization, said particulate matter in Richmond also comes from diesel traffic at the nearby rail yard and on highways that run through the communities.

While the study found that the levels of particulate matter inside people's homes were directly correlated to outdoor levels, only a small percentage of outdoor levels of particulate matter exceeded the state's standard.

Levels of other chemicals known to come from oil refineries, including sulfates and vanadium, a heavy metal known to cause cancer and respiratory problems in laboratory rats, were also significantly higher in Richmond than they were in Bolinas both indoors and outdoors, according to the data.

One of the problems is that the standards only apply to outdoor air, according to Tovar. Indoor air quality is not regulated.

The findings also call into question the effectiveness of Contra Costa County's emergency response plan, which warns residents to go inside, close their doors and windows and shelter-in-place when there is an upset at the refinery that could potentially impact residents, Tovar said.

Levels of indoor pollutants that came from consumer products were similar in Richmond and Bolinas homes, but some of the results surprised Bolinas residents, who had thought their exposure levels would be lower than they were found to be, Tovar said.

The tests turned up chemicals found in household cleaners, including ammonia, and even trace levels of DDT, an insecticide that was banned in 1972 and classified a "probable human carcinogen."

The ban followed the 1962 publication of Rachel Carson's book "Silent Spring," which drew a link between the widespread use of pesticides and their impact on wildlife, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

The Silent Spring Institute, one of the participants in the study, is named for Carson's book. The institute, based in Newton, Mass., is a partnership of scientists, physicians and public health advocates dedicated to finding the links between environmental pollutants and women's health, especially breast cancer.

Many of the chemicals tested for in the study are thought to cause breast cancer in humans, theories supported by toxicological studies on animals, but the link has yet to be scientifically proven, Morello-Frosch said.
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Richmond to be first US city to stand up against Chevron

On July 15 the Richmond, California City Council has a chance to make history. On that day it could be the first city in the United States to decide to protect the health of its residents and stand up to the Chevron oil company and impose a cap on its plans for further expansion.

To do that the council will have to turn down Chevron Richmond's proposed "Energy & Hydrogen Renewal" project to process thicker, dirtier crude oil. On the other hand, if the council approved it, it would expand some of the Chevron refinery's most polluting processes. It will increase Chevron's emissions of toxins, heavy metals and greenhouse gases; there is the potential to increase releases of some chemicals by 5 to 50 times current levels.

While many Californians are trying to reduce their contributions to greenhouse gas emissions and slow down global warming, Chevron will be doing the opposite and thereby put public health at greater risk.

Hundreds of residents have turned out to oppose the expansion project, fearing that it will further damage their neighborhood and their health. They've expressed their opposition at public hearings. Hundreds more have signed a petition opposing the project. On June 5, when the planning commission heard the application for expansion local residents lined up for hours waiting to raise their objections.

As a result, the Richmond Planning Commission voted 3-2 to impose a "crude cap" on refining dirty crude oil. That means that the company must strictly limit the emissions of certain pollutants that result from the refining process. A week later, however, the commission changed its mind, preferring a very weak crude cap. They refused to re-circulate an environmental impact report. The reversal was based on a report from an independent consultant who advised that a strict cap on dirty crude was unnecessary. The consultant admitted that his conclusion was based on data from Chevron, data that could not be revealed to either the commission or the public.

Yet a review of Chevron's emissions data and proposed expansion plans by MacArthur prize-winning chemist Wilma Subra determined that if the refinery processes heavier and more contaminated oil, this "will increase the number and severity of accidental releases." The increase in air pollution will hurt not only refinery workers but also those who live near the refinery.

People in Richmond still remember the 1993 spill from Chevron's sulfuric acid plant, which serves the refinery. That spill sent 20,000 people to the hospital. They already suffer from pollution created by some 350 other industrial polluting facilities in the city. Given these high levels of pollution it is not surprising that the city has the highest rate of hospitalization for asthma in Contra Costa County. Two of Richmond's neighborhoods, directly upwind from the refinery, have some of the highest rates of hospitalization for asthma in the entire state.

Even more alarming, with this expansion, Chevron may be creating a model for the entire oil industry. Chevron wants to have the competitive advantage of refining dirty crude and if approved, this will lock that process into place for up to 50 years. Oil companies across the country are watching to see if this is the future of their industry.

Chevron seems driven by the sole goal of making bigger profits from high gas prices. It has large reserves of high quality oil, but growing global demand makes low quality contaminated crude oils substantially cheaper for refiners. They can achieve price discounts of more than $5 per barrel, which would generate $400 million in yearly profits for a refinery the size of the Richmond operation.

There is now a global effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and to respond to the alarming data about the rate and impact of climate change. For Chevron to add to the problem is unconscionable.

When it meets July 15, the City Council is not bound by the cowardly acquiescence of the Planning Commission. It can send the report back with an order to strengthen the recommendations on the crude cap and environmental impact report.

As they discuss their choice, they will face the Richmond Alliance for Environmental Justice, a coalition that includes Communities for a Better Environment, the Asian Pacific Environmental Network, the West County Toxics Coalition, Atchison Village Environmental Committee, Richmond Greens and Richmond Progressive Alliance, which collectively represents thousands of people.

These organizations will urge the Richmond City Council to stop Chevron from further exposing residents to harmful toxics and pollution that cause premature death, cancer, and other health ailments. They will suggest that Chevron invest instead in a clean and green economy in Richmond and that Richmond residents have a transparent and meaningful public process to participate in decision-making about Chevron's operations. They can decide to support the community's demands for a for a clean environment and public health; or they can choose infamy by supporting obscene oil industry profits and ignoring global warming. The people of Richmond and the world will be watching.
 

trier

Senior Member
as a chemical engineer i can safetly advise anyone to to reside near any type of industry as there are always links to health risks and the percentages vary. i have given up working in the processing environment and now only consult and mind you mostly Cleaner Production trying to rectify the mindset of the past. most multinational companies uses all 3rd world countries as dumping grounds and if we the public make enough noise there international shareholders will find out and demand some corporate accountability. just my 2c
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Well i stay in table view about 2km north west of chevron....

If the south easter blows u cannot breathe. My son has had to go onto a nebulizer every morning and every night because he has a constant cold. I usually get one cold a year, i've had 6 just this year. Even bullterrier has sinus in the morning!!!

Also i have noted that at night the flame burns a lot bigger and if the light catches the flame the right way there is a lot more black smoke at night than in the day.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
We moved here from Durbanville, and im telling u that place is poison!!. That being said i do not blame chevron or current government. When chevron started there was no houses near them. The previous government zoned these areas as residential at a later stage. So Chevron is not to blame, whoever made the areas around it residential areas is.
 

Cobus Blouberg

Senior Member
Milnerton lagoon, I have seen schools of mullet and other stuff stirring up the water big time, close to the mouth of the lagoon. A few times, actually - I travel past there often.

Cast a few times, but with artificial stuff, not with natural bait yet.

Point is - there is lots of life in the water.

Just be careful, after 17h00 there are lots of canoes on the water, both sides actually. And they carry on till almost fully dark, so could cause problems.
 

Cobus Blouberg

Senior Member
Milnerton Lagoon again - 'not allowed to pump for prawn there. But a good sign is that there are lots of spots where the are 1000's of prawn holes - so there is every likelihood of a decent fish population.

I saw this on Thesen Island in Knysna, the moment the prawn holes become abundant the fish start coming in, we now catch anything you will find in the Knysna main lagoon also in the channels on the Thesen Island development. Grunter, cob, shad, etc.
 

Walt

Sealiner
The Milnerton lagoon was a good spot for Garrick/Leerfish in years gone by,and we would catch regularly from the old wooden car bridge.So,unless the Lagoon was used as a breeding ground for Garrick,where they were somehow initially transported there,the only way the Garrick could enter the lagoon,in those years,  was via the mouth.But never heard of anyone catching Leeries in the vicinity of the mouth or in close proximity along beach itself.And similarly at Sandvlei,where Leeries are caught regularly in the vlei but not in the Sea at Muizenburg, or even in close proximity along that coastline.Cheers!
 

muhaha

Senior Member
dudes im not blaming people im just saying that if Chevron was more proactive about conservation and didnt wait for people to start complaining on a large scale or for sitations to become volatile then i would have more respect for them.right now i have none... :) thats just my 2c
 
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