Thanx Mike, will definitely go and check it out. Went to the pier at around 4.30pm, really crowded and as a novice, rather stayed in the bakkie instead of getting a klap for crossing lines with the avid fishermen, saw what happened to Leon Schuster! Checked out what the guys were using, does not seem to complex. 3swivel, 1ounce weight and on the hook for bait, sardine/squid? Does that sound right?