Bluenose off Durban

Psy

Sealiner
STB, great thread...good job on your persistence to catch and record these fish, many hours spent I can imagine.


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The Dr. questioning the Broadbill eating live bait of 10+ kilos?
Yes....witnessed (longlining for tuna) many large broadbill swallowing 1mtr long big eye tuna, aswell in the broadbill's belly was found a large squid larger than 1mtr.

(Inside the tuna's stomach found the squid bait used for the initial target).

Please keep us posted on your progress with your 'hydraulic powered' reels.

FYI have a look at www.bigcatch.co.za, they have an online store and you may find gear there you are interested in.


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STB

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Yes they do eat these bluenoses.as we have the ideal breading grounds here by us all sizes of bluenose is found here.But most is 12 to 15 kg ideal size.We have spotted 2 broadbill in the same area but Dont want to get to exited ,I'm not ready for them yet.The reels have been disassembled and sent for iodising getting them back on Friday.
 

STB

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I'm the only one targeting them.They have there season when they come inshore to breed.My boat and tackle is prepped for it but season still a long way at the moment we in our geelbek run.
 

STB

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Latest on Bluenoses.I know it is illegal to put out fads,but I just have to test it.I places out this week two fads the ones we make for Dorado,but for Dorado the boy is on top of the water.I places a anker down witch could hold a ship with 20 mm rope and at a depth of 60 m from the top I placed one boy with 6 pieces of shade cloth then rope up to 15m from the top with 4 boys on it for Dorado.hoping to attract small bait fish on 60 m for the Bluenoses and 15 m for Dorado.it would also attract broad bill .so in a months time I'll check it out
 

STB

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Sat on my boat yesterday and 2 clients came to ask to go for bluenose.so we went to the deep together with my brother in-law with his boat Fishing on line .I went with my boat Simply the Best stait for one spiesie.Bluenose.See atatch photo for Fishing on line.
 

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STB

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Nice to see our Dorado season is very urly this year.Well back to the blue noses.Armed with only Manuel reel we had success and landed 3 nice bluenose and no rocords.once again we lost 6 traces ,just busted up along the way up to the top.
 

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As you can see on the condition of the fish .PIC above ,the fish by my foot .It seems that the lame and lazy Dont migrate so you get your ones and two's. But the big shoal should be here later.See the mark on the fish by my foot.All of these fish had some problem with there condition.
 

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STB

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Still nice eating and very good fight from the Bottem to the top.I can just emagine how nice it would be to jig for this fish with a stella 20 000
 

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Email I received from Dr Clive Roberts



Hi JAKES,
 
Thank you for your email and interesting photos attached.
 
Based on relative body depth and colour, I think your fish is a hapuku Polyprion oxygeneios (family Polyprionidae).
 
It is hard to get a suit of characters from photos, so my identification is subjective and not 100% definitive. However, I have been working on this group for over 30 years and know both species well as juveniles and adults, and can be reasonably confident that it is not a wreckfish (P. americanus).
 
Unfortunately, my home computer will not download the photo images posted on your Sealine discussions.
 
As this fish is an important record for South Africa and the species, I would be most grateful if you can give me its location and depth of capture. I presume that you caught it on rod & line.
 
Hapuku are found all around the temperate southern hemisphere, including oceanic islands in the south Atlantic and south Indian oceans. So, it has always been a puzzle to me why not in South African waters. I suspect the simple answer is that hapuku do occur off South Africa, but has always been misidentified as wreckfish. To be certain about this we need at least one specimen donated to the collection of either the South African Museum, Cape Town, or to SAIAB – South African Institute for Aquatic University – at Grahamstown (see Ofer Gon cc above).
 
So, if you catch any more, especially smaller than this large adult, I suggest that you freeze it and contact whichever fish collection is nearest for their instructions on pickup and delivery. Sorry, I know they are very good eating!
 
Also, I think that your observations on bluenose captured off South Arica are also important. However, I am currently on leave and do not have access to a fish library, so cannot easily check the world distribution of this fish. But happy to do a follow up in December, when I return to work in Wellington.
 
Best wishes, CLIVE
 
P.S. The two species of Polyprion are genetically distinct, but it is important to compare the most variable markers – although COI should have pick this up. Possibly there is, again, a problem with original identifications of the fish sampled?
 
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Dr Clive Roberts
Curator of Vertebrates (Fishes)
Museum of New Zealand Te Papa Tongarewa
169 Tory Street, PO Box 467,
Wellington, New Zealand
cliver@tepapa.govt.nz
P: ++64-4-381-7311
F: ++64-4-381-7310
 

STB

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Been out every year once, just to keep track of them. What a feeling to catch this specie.
 

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