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I would be interested to know what land-based Yellowtail setups and leader systems are been used by fellow members regularly targetting YT from the bricks.

As everyone knows YT are one son of a fish to land from the bricks, so keen to find out on any new info, tricks or technics.

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Where do you intend fishing? There are 2 different aspects to this.

1. Cape Town
2. Eastern cape.

Cape Town still sees the 300/3 and exage 110 being used with .45 to .5 mainlines with or without leaders. These are the most popular but now the grinders seems to have become big too.

Eastern cape produces far bigger fish, so tackle is almost doubled up. I'm using shimano exage with .55 mainline and 1 30lb braid leader with fg knot to tackle these guys. Again grinders are making a big appearance but if you are not using a heavy set up those fish just play with you on the grinder.

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Thanks

Transkei YT.

I use either a Exage 110 or GC 5 with 18kg Maxima with 1mm Maxima leader.

On the last trip I dropped down to 16kg, which I loaded onto a Shimano Tranx and was getting good distance of 100m + casts.

I hooked 1 on a 30lbs braid / grinder setup and stood no chance.

Definitely still think Maxima is the way to go.

Always keen to learn any new tricks and tips to tackle Tail.

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Also just to mention, I changed my guides on the exage, Fuji low riders and Kt guides also adding an additional guide, makes the world of difference to the rods and casting.

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Grootvis,

So the layout I designed worked well?

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Tackle-holic wrote:
Grootvis,

So the layout I designed worked well?

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Brandon,I tested it at home, my back yard happens to be a golf course, with the fairway running past...;)

Not putting too much into it, I could already feel the ease of the line passing through the guides, with a leader knot, that was my concern as I used 10's and not 12's. My best explanation of how it feels, the line seems to shoot through better, and again, the noise of the line very diminished, so yes, I think it is a good layout, but will give it a good test when I'm back home. To be honest, I have some lc guides left over and some Kt guides, am very much contemplating using them on my surf set up too, I don't think the single foot will diminish or lessen the integrity at all against a double foot.

And it just looks damn cool having Lc to Kt layout!
Definite thumbs up.

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The KT's are not like other conventional single foots, their low profile and wide foot makes them secure on the rod and plenty strong enough to withstand a lot of pressure.

The use of more guides with the KT layout also helps to keep the line tracking the blank and not running over it.

Ulua, sorry for the Hijack

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Ulua, 80lbs braided line on the multiplier to replace the 18kg Maxima is a good option with good diameter.

Excellent leader for Mono or Braid is the 130lbs and 200lbs Jerry Brown Hollow braid.

Abrasion resistance is really surprising and the braid pulls flat which resulting in it going in under mussels instead of cutting off over the mussels.

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Which Exage is that in the picture, Grootvis?

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Enigma wrote:
Ulua, 80lbs braided line on the multiplier to replace the 18kg Maxima is a good option with good diameter.

Excellent leader for Mono or Braid is the 130lbs and 200lbs Jerry Brown Hollow braid.

Abrasion resistance is really surprising and the braid pulls flat which resulting in it going in under mussels instead of cutting off over the mussels.


I'm sure there is post of mine missing here, :?

I mentioned the magging of multipliers too, but that has been covered quite extensively, but Craig , you nailed it with the braid, I'm changing mine to 80lbs casting braid, and still deciding on the leader, either flouro or keeping my 130lbs tuff line braid leader, I'm not sure anymore which way to go, I might have to eat my words and get a flouro leader, keep it out of the guides though.

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jaybennie wrote:
Which Exage is that in the picture, Grootvis?


It's now this one!http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=98350&forum_id=109

110h multiplier.

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Try 80lbs to 130lbs Hollow and then splice the fluoro leader into the braid so you can have a lightly longer fluoro and no knot through the guides.

I played around with some connections and tied the mono to braid with a 1cm piece of mono past the knot then used a serving tool to serve a 3cm piece over the FG and mono to smooth and secure the knot and then soaked it in very thin Super Glue

Knot is silent through the guides and the braid and connection is 100% protected and withstands a few hundred casts before the floss frays but the underlying knot remains 100%

You'll easily be able to do a 0.90mm leader on #10 K series

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DRHH not the most successful..could tell you all day about all the big leeries bullied on yellowtail setups or the sob stories about what the big tail thought of my leader setups..haha ja

Depends on the class of tail that are chasing you, the big boys need a multiplier and .55 or .6 mono and a 1.0 or 1.2 mm leader or 200lb braid leader..You just can't cut it with our big east coast tail with braid has been my learning curve. There is not enough room for error, I've had bruisers explode brand new 75lb braid when they've hit me close and angry. The big tail in shallow water are a whole other kettle of fish to smaller class fish in deep water.

I'm still very much on my learning curve.. Next season will be back to the drawing board again until I learn to cast a multiplier decently.. All of my setups have been taken to the cleaners this season except for the 75lb- stitch- 200lb braid- modified albright- 1,2mm mono. But that casts like a dog, even if the fish are at ones feet, it casts too bad and I feel like an absolute kook casting that when mates are flinging their plugs to the horizon with their grandwaves and 0.55. So more learning for me which is what I love so hey.. Ja, that was the only braid setup that survived the heat but it is a joke to cast.

For braid for now I'm back to 50lb hmp stitched to 80lb boat braid with a bimini on the end and I cant remember if I settled on a "paulus albright" or Yucatan to a 1.5m 1mm perline mono leader to four turn figure 8 with "back through clip or hook eye and then through loops" aka Mr D Hill's Knot to a clip and I'll have to take my chances with that for now. But as said, I really need to be using .55 mono and plain mono 1mm leader and my saltist and learn to use it properly. Off the boat I'm using a 20m long mono leader with a .9mm mono leader on top of 50lb braid, mono tied with some japanese knot I have no idea of the name..this so I dont cut off the skipper with braid when we double up and once the fish is near its forgiving being on the mono. That setup actually seems to cast quite lekker kind of like a shooting head does so might try that from the side too..until I learn to cast like a real angler haha

And also..its all very well to have stitches and what not, but you also have to have backup setups you can do in a flash on the rocks in a raging wind, when you get bust off and the fish are going mad all around you and you need to be back in the action ASAP, in that case I just do a 50-60 turn bimini in the braid which takes me no time and loop it to pretied leaders on swivels which I always have a few handy in the bag. The loop is plenty strong I found to my surprise and the bimini holds up and ties quick in braid once you get it well practiced. I landed a few 10+kg leeries this year on that back up system and I could pull it guessing 90% of real line strength and it would hold. All that said the tail took me to the cleaners this year so I can tell you more what does not work on bigger fish more than that works to be 100% honest :)

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
DRHH not the most successful..could tell you all day about all the big leeries bullied on yellowtail setups or the sob stories about what the big tail thought of my leader setups..haha ja

Depends on the class of tail that are chasing you, the big boys need a multiplier and .55 or .6 mono and a 1.0 or 1.2 mm leader or 200lb braid leader..You just can't cut it with our big east coast tail with braid has been my learning curve. There is not enough room for error, I've had bruisers explode brand new 75lb braid when they've hit me close and angry. The big tail in shallow water are a whole other kettle of fish to smaller class fish in deep water.

I'm still very much on my learning curve.. Next season will be back to the drawing board again until I learn to cast a multiplier decently.. All of my setups have been taken to the cleaners this season except for the 75lb- stitch- 200lb braid- modified albright- 1,2mm mono. But that casts like a dog, even if the fish are at ones feet, it casts too bad and I feel like an absolute kook casting that when mates are flinging their plugs to the horizon with their grandwaves and 0.55. So more learning for me which is what I love so hey.. Ja, that was the only braid setup that survived the heat but it is a joke to cast.

For braid for now I'm back to 50lb hmp stitched to 80lb boat braid with a bimini on the end and I cant remember if I settled on a "paulus albright" or Yucatan to a 1.5m 1mm perline mono leader to four turn figure 8 with "back through clip or hook eye and then through loops" aka Mr D Hill's Knot to a clip and I'll have to take my chances with that for now. But as said, I really need to be using .55 mono and plain mono 1mm leader and my saltist and learn to use it properly. Off the boat I'm using a 20m long mono leader with a .9mm mono leader on top of 50lb braid, mono tied with some japanese knot I have no idea of the name..this so I dont cut off the skipper with braid when we double up and once the fish is near its forgiving being on the mono. That setup actually seems to cast quite lekker kind of like a shooting head does so might try that from the side too..until I learn to cast like a real angler haha

And also..its all very well to have stitches and what not, but you also have to have backup setups you can do in a flash on the rocks in a raging wind, when you get bust off and the fish are going mad all around you and you need to be back in the action ASAP, in that case I just do a 50-60 turn bimini in the braid which takes me no time and loop it to pretied leaders on swivels which I always have a few handy in the bag. The loop is plenty strong I found to my surprise and the bimini holds up and ties quick in braid once you get it well practiced. I landed a few 10+kg leeries this year on that back up system and I could pull it guessing 90% of real line strength and it would hold. All that said the tail took me to the cleaners this year so I can tell you more what does not work on bigger fish more than that works to be 100% honest :)


Don't cut yourself so short Mr.Hoffman. I think your gear is tops. Well definitely the rods you have now. Give your salts to me when I take my reels to be magged, problem solved forever. All this talk of tail gets my blood pumping!!! Some of those leering you got were pulling just as hard, hopefully we have more shoals of tail this season.

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Maybe we get some of these this season!!!

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How on earth they land those big boys I have no idea??? :)

I have such trouble with their smaller brothers and sisters. But my luck has turned so no stress, 10-1 so it was not a blank year. My tackle is getting there, my arms need work now ;) But at least I got one fish out this year then and it is my PB Yihaaa

Seems this thread brought me some luck..Shot psy and also on knots, with a mono to join to leader, a figure 8 to figure 8/ uni-uni isn't strong enough, needs a double uni in mainline to single uni in leader. Any weakness in you or your knots/tackle and these fish will know it and use it.

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Ya, getting fish between 30 and 50 kg is regular, man , that is something, 1 fish and it's off to the physio...lol

Nice on the Pb. I hope I get some more time on the bricks this season.

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Thanks for the info and tips guys.

Need to have tackle 100% to stand a chance of landing a decent tail, so preparing all my tackle now for the start of the season at the end of the year.

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Hello Gents

This is a very difficult topic to advise on as much of the outcome is determined by which fish you hook, in what spot and in what conditions. Some fish are just not meant to be landed. When the water is warm and blue top to bottom your chances reduce drastically but when there is some colder water deeper down they improve.

I can recall a story I heard this year about a reknowned angler from PE who has caught many tail in his life. He faught a fish for 20min on Stella 10 000 and Japanese Shore Jigging rod only to have that fish turn around and blow him by taking 50m of line and running around a reef. Only thing you can say is that - that fish was not meant to be his.

That said we still have to give ourselves the best chance of landing them. I have two leader systems that I use. the first is for a multiplier - I fish Trini 20 DC with 80lbs braid to FG knot and 80lbs fireline leader. The stuff is bulletproof.

The second on the spinning reel is 60lbs JB Hollow stitched in 130lbs hollow leader joined to either 1.2mm Floro or Fireline either by FG or by inserting Floro into 130 hollow like the front of a wind on.

The key with these fish is to know when to really apply the pressure. The probability of the bigger fish taking line and getting to the reef is good. If you applying max pressure at this point the chances of something breaking is high. This is where you have to trust your leader - that is why it is there. Once the fish is clear of the reef you pull like hell.

There is no doubt that experience with these fish is a huge factor. The more you hook the more you start to get a feel for these fish and the better your chances of landing them becomes.

A very important factor that is often overlooked is the rod. I do not believe in using a rod that is too stiff. The rod must flex but yet be able to pull. This flex adds a little bit of forgiveness in the setup and this forgiveness can often be the difference. This is why the 110H Exage has the following it does.

By all accounts this last tail season was a bumper season from Plett all the way into the Wild Coast. Long may this continue.

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It is a very different type of fishing which I believe a lot of people don't understand. Each place where they are encountered will dictate a very different tactic and tackle.

If I had to choose one discipline of fishing it would be this type of fishing. It is definitely not as easy as it looks, but if you dedicated, you could be rewarded with the best type of surface , game fishing you can experience.

The tackle is of course of the utmost importance and you need to be able to stand the best possible chance. It's also not easy throwing light tin spinners or any size plug with a stiff rod. Man the adrenalin of watching that shoal turning and fighting over your plug, what more could you want....:)

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I would though like to plan a trip Australia or Nz to go tackle a 30, 40 kg one on a exage and our standard Yt tackle, wonder if you would ever stand a chance.

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howsit guys

i found some JDB 8X braided surf leader in 220lb with a dia. of 0.78mm at hook line and sinker in PE. i know a lot of the guys here in the eastern cape use a braid leader for land based tail spinning but have to import braid in 200lb class as it was not readily available in our area. just thought id give anybody looking for a heavy braid a heads up. its available in 180lb and 120lb as well as ligher. give tim at hook line and sinker PE a shout on 041 365 5471.

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Thanks for the useful info, nice one!

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Good evening.
I am new on the forum. I am also interested in buying a new surf rod. Currently looking at the Loomis Franklin F2534-94CHMG 36T. I see some people are complaining about the small guides. Any thought on this?

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Not that i am an expert at landing tail, but for the big boys i reckon JB hollow 80lb with a loop spliced onto a wind-on made up with a 130 lb JB hollow loop onto 170 or 200lb mono.



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Enigma wrote: Try 80lbs to 130lbs Hollow and then splice the fluoro leader into the braid so you can have a lightly longer fluoro and no knot through the guides.

I played around with some connections and tied the mono to braid with a 1cm piece of mono past the knot then used a serving tool to serve a 3cm piece over the FG and mono to smooth and secure the knot and then soaked it in very thin Super Glue

Knot is silent through the guides and the braid and connection is 100% protected and withstands a few hundred casts before the floss frays but the underlying knot remains 100%

You'll easily be able to do a 0.90mm leader on #10 K series

Craig, Please tell me where i can get a serving tool. Ive searched and cant find anything?

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Got this, you still sell these on sealine??

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Grootvis,

Try one of the Bow hunting shops.

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blaasoppie#1 wrote:
Grootvis,

Try one of the Bow hunting shops.


Thanks, I noticed your boat, Mako, simply awesome, I wanted to import one sometime ago. Lovely.


Thanks for the advice.

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So, it's creeping up to that time again, not too long to go, and we will start seeing fish again, hopefully.

So what's your arsenal for the tail this season regarding tackle? Would be great to see what the others are using .

My tackle for the upcoming season,

Shimano exage 110h with lc to Kt guide layout,internal magged Trini 20A with 100lbs HMP braid mainline and 1mm flouro leader joined with Fg knot.

Shimano exage 110h with lc to Kt guide layout, internal magged Trini 16 A with 100lbs braid mainline and .8 or .9mm flouro leader.

Hope its going to be a kicker!::tight:::tight:

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Grootvis why is your mainline such a high breaking strain? Is it because of the rough terrain you fish in or are yellow tail that strong a fish? Im going to St Francis in two weeks and want to try some lures off the point but im only loaded up with 50lb braid. If I hook in to some thing decent am I going to be outgunned?

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DavePE wrote:
Grootvis why is your mainline such a high breaking strain? Is it because of the rough terrain you fish in or are yellow tail that strong a fish? Im going to St Francis in two weeks and want to try some lures off the point but im only loaded up with 50lb braid. If I hook in to some thing decent am I going to be outgunned?

I hate to say it, but on both counts you right. The terrain is very foul, the fish very big and extremely powerful. You have to pull them away from the reef, which most times ends in tears. The minimum I would go is 80lbs at a push. Not impossible but but those big fish bully you proper and on lighter gear you just loose that control a bit, but go for it, you might be very lucky. I'm sure some fish have been landed on that gear but I don't think many...:)
It's not the breaking strain so much but the diameter, if it gets one rock, it could be over. Good luck and let us know how it goes, I'll start looking when I'm back home again, September time.

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BTW, I meant to add , for the leeries and "sarda sarda" its fine on that tackle and good sport for those leeries, dont think they around now, but you never know.

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Gents, this is a very interesting thread. Personally I can't add any value though, my only YT experience being a little 3kg fish landed from Bailey's many moons ago.

If you'll excuse me for jumping in on a different tack, @Blaasoppie, may I ask what knot that is you've used to tie on the lure in your pic?

Thanks,
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Ja, 50lb IS too thin for the bigger guys but perfect for the leeries and sarda as said, a thicker 20lb or decent 30lb is even more perfect for the lighter setup to throw for the clean fighters if it is quiet. But have a heavier setup handy to throw with you, for if a tackle buster jumps on you will cry with 50lb braid.. One cannot stop the big boys in the least and there is no protection against the reef, double trouble! I had freshly spooled, brand new 80 lb 8 strand "exploded" last year trying to stop a fish reef me, all stitched and 100% connections, the line literally exploded 10m from the rod tip.

There might be some early sarda as the baby bonnies have arrived past PE already but the breeding shoals of leerie and the stocks of tail are still far up north.. There though is always the chance of a random resident garrick around if the water is nice.

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EugeneC wrote:
Gents, this is a very interesting thread. Personally I can't add any value though, my only YT experience being a little 3kg fish landed from Bailey's many moons ago.

If you'll excuse me for jumping in on a different tack, @Blaasoppie, may I ask what knot that is you've used to tie on the lure in your pic?

Thanks,
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Is that not a chain knot?

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@Grootvis, I think you're right. Thanks for the input, sorry for the hijack.

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Hooked onto a 8-9 Kg yellowtail last week passed coffee bay. Fish was caught of the bricks. Caught using 11ft Assisin Amia spinning rod, max weight 2ounce, coupled with Shimano exage 5000 and 30lb JBD braid.
It was a fight of a life time, but took 15 min to land.

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Lovely , great catch from the bricks, i need to get to the kei sometime or other....:)

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Will be back there soon. Great place for spinning

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hey spinning dudes , anyone know whats happening simonstown side??? see the fishhoek guys have been netting a few shoals so they must be around any feedback ???? ps has anyone ever tried off the clovelly rocks ???

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You could but you would be wasting time I think. I don't think it's really on their path. Rather go to sunny cove. You will get fish there.

Good luck landing a fish on Clovelly side. Also generally if the fish are spawning as they do this time of year those shoals that are entering fish hoek will just drive you crazy....They will not eat.... don't ask me how I know this!

Good luck. It's been a good start to the season.

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Grootvis sorry i think i got the wrong side of the bay, meant sunny cove. Took a drive to simonstown today couple of guys on the tracks water looked very clear today plenty big boats coming back from millers or point. I would like to go have a few throws not sure what weather is up to. Thanks for info

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Tried just past the gun battery for a few hours various lures and spinners but only got casting practice but what beautiful weather

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Now that's what it is all about....enjoying the trip and just being out there. Next time the SE blows go try again....and again....and again.....:)

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grootvis any tail off the tracks lately?? been grafting so time not there but next week if there is space im there.....???

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Hi, a bit off subject....has anyone caught a yt on bucktails???

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I'm sure you could, but you will be out-fished by the guy with a spoon, who won't be having as much fun as the guy with the plug..something like that. But hey if it gets you your fish that is what counts ;) It may be the ticket if the fish are fussy or balling up on small things and won't take the normal lures..

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Listen ok the wind is here for a bit how does that effect the tail inshore! Do they sound or are they active? Casting a spoon could be interesting in this wind.......

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Get a Abu Lucas or seriola spoon and you good to go. If the SE is howling always give simons town a try..sometimes its a bit warmer there than surrounding areas which will get cold with the strong SE, that bay seems to get the warm water trapped in there sometimes if you lucky and you could get good fish.