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I would be interested to know what land-based Yellowtail setups and leader systems are been used by fellow members regularly targetting YT from the bricks.

As everyone knows YT are one son of a fish to land from the bricks, so keen to find out on any new info, tricks or technics.

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dr hallibut hoffman comes to mind

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Where do you intend fishing? There are 2 different aspects to this.

1. Cape Town
2. Eastern cape.

Cape Town still sees the 300/3 and exage 110 being used with .45 to .5 mainlines with or without leaders. These are the most popular but now the grinders seems to have become big too.

Eastern cape produces far bigger fish, so tackle is almost doubled up. I'm using shimano exage with .55 mainline and 1 30lb braid leader with fg knot to tackle these guys. Again grinders are making a big appearance but if you are not using a heavy set up those fish just play with you on the grinder.

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With my set up...Eastern cape fish....

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Thanks

Transkei YT.

I use either a Exage 110 or GC 5 with 18kg Maxima with 1mm Maxima leader.

On the last trip I dropped down to 16kg, which I loaded onto a Shimano Tranx and was getting good distance of 100m + casts.

I hooked 1 on a 30lbs braid / grinder setup and stood no chance.

Definitely still think Maxima is the way to go.

Always keen to learn any new tricks and tips to tackle Tail.

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Also just to mention, I changed my guides on the exage, Fuji low riders and Kt guides also adding an additional guide, makes the world of difference to the rods and casting.

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Grootvis,

So the layout I designed worked well?

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Grootvis,

So the layout I designed worked well?

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Brandon,I tested it at home, my back yard happens to be a golf course, with the fairway running past...;)

Not putting too much into it, I could already feel the ease of the line passing through the guides, with a leader knot, that was my concern as I used 10's and not 12's. My best explanation of how it feels, the line seems to shoot through better, and again, the noise of the line very diminished, so yes, I think it is a good layout, but will give it a good test when I'm back home. To be honest, I have some lc guides left over and some Kt guides, am very much contemplating using them on my surf set up too, I don't think the single foot will diminish or lessen the integrity at all against a double foot.

And it just looks damn cool having Lc to Kt layout!
Definite thumbs up.

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The KT's are not like other conventional single foots, their low profile and wide foot makes them secure on the rod and plenty strong enough to withstand a lot of pressure.

The use of more guides with the KT layout also helps to keep the line tracking the blank and not running over it.

Ulua, sorry for the Hijack

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Ulua, 80lbs braided line on the multiplier to replace the 18kg Maxima is a good option with good diameter.

Excellent leader for Mono or Braid is the 130lbs and 200lbs Jerry Brown Hollow braid.

Abrasion resistance is really surprising and the braid pulls flat which resulting in it going in under mussels instead of cutting off over the mussels.

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Which Exage is that in the picture, Grootvis?

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Ulua, 80lbs braided line on the multiplier to replace the 18kg Maxima is a good option with good diameter.

Excellent leader for Mono or Braid is the 130lbs and 200lbs Jerry Brown Hollow braid.

Abrasion resistance is really surprising and the braid pulls flat which resulting in it going in under mussels instead of cutting off over the mussels.


I'm sure there is post of mine missing here, :?

I mentioned the magging of multipliers too, but that has been covered quite extensively, but Craig , you nailed it with the braid, I'm changing mine to 80lbs casting braid, and still deciding on the leader, either flouro or keeping my 130lbs tuff line braid leader, I'm not sure anymore which way to go, I might have to eat my words and get a flouro leader, keep it out of the guides though.

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jaybennie wrote:
Which Exage is that in the picture, Grootvis?


It's now this one!http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=98350&forum_id=109

110h multiplier.

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Try 80lbs to 130lbs Hollow and then splice the fluoro leader into the braid so you can have a lightly longer fluoro and no knot through the guides.

I played around with some connections and tied the mono to braid with a 1cm piece of mono past the knot then used a serving tool to serve a 3cm piece over the FG and mono to smooth and secure the knot and then soaked it in very thin Super Glue

Knot is silent through the guides and the braid and connection is 100% protected and withstands a few hundred casts before the floss frays but the underlying knot remains 100%

You'll easily be able to do a 0.90mm leader on #10 K series

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DRHH not the most successful..could tell you all day about all the big leeries bullied on yellowtail setups or the sob stories about what the big tail thought of my leader setups..haha ja

Depends on the class of tail that are chasing you, the big boys need a multiplier and .55 or .6 mono and a 1.0 or 1.2 mm leader or 200lb braid leader..You just can't cut it with our big east coast tail with braid has been my learning curve. There is not enough room for error, I've had bruisers explode brand new 75lb braid when they've hit me close and angry. The big tail in shallow water are a whole other kettle of fish to smaller class fish in deep water.

I'm still very much on my learning curve.. Next season will be back to the drawing board again until I learn to cast a multiplier decently.. All of my setups have been taken to the cleaners this season except for the 75lb- stitch- 200lb braid- modified albright- 1,2mm mono. But that casts like a dog, even if the fish are at ones feet, it casts too bad and I feel like an absolute kook casting that when mates are flinging their plugs to the horizon with their grandwaves and 0.55. So more learning for me which is what I love so hey.. Ja, that was the only braid setup that survived the heat but it is a joke to cast.

For braid for now I'm back to 50lb hmp stitched to 80lb boat braid with a bimini on the end and I cant remember if I settled on a "paulus albright" or Yucatan to a 1.5m 1mm perline mono leader to four turn figure 8 with "back through clip or hook eye and then through loops" aka Mr D Hill's Knot to a clip and I'll have to take my chances with that for now. But as said, I really need to be using .55 mono and plain mono 1mm leader and my saltist and learn to use it properly. Off the boat I'm using a 20m long mono leader with a .9mm mono leader on top of 50lb braid, mono tied with some japanese knot I have no idea of the name..this so I dont cut off the skipper with braid when we double up and once the fish is near its forgiving being on the mono. That setup actually seems to cast quite lekker kind of like a shooting head does so might try that from the side too..until I learn to cast like a real angler haha

And also..its all very well to have stitches and what not, but you also have to have backup setups you can do in a flash on the rocks in a raging wind, when you get bust off and the fish are going mad all around you and you need to be back in the action ASAP, in that case I just do a 50-60 turn bimini in the braid which takes me no time and loop it to pretied leaders on swivels which I always have a few handy in the bag. The loop is plenty strong I found to my surprise and the bimini holds up and ties quick in braid once you get it well practiced. I landed a few 10+kg leeries this year on that back up system and I could pull it guessing 90% of real line strength and it would hold. All that said the tail took me to the cleaners this year so I can tell you more what does not work on bigger fish more than that works to be 100% honest :)

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Dr halibut hoffman wrote:
DRHH not the most successful..could tell you all day about all the big leeries bullied on yellowtail setups or the sob stories about what the big tail thought of my leader setups..haha ja

Depends on the class of tail that are chasing you, the big boys need a multiplier and .55 or .6 mono and a 1.0 or 1.2 mm leader or 200lb braid leader..You just can't cut it with our big east coast tail with braid has been my learning curve. There is not enough room for error, I've had bruisers explode brand new 75lb braid when they've hit me close and angry. The big tail in shallow water are a whole other kettle of fish to smaller class fish in deep water.

I'm still very much on my learning curve.. Next season will be back to the drawing board again until I learn to cast a multiplier decently.. All of my setups have been taken to the cleaners this season except for the 75lb- stitch- 200lb braid- modified albright- 1,2mm mono. But that casts like a dog, even if the fish are at ones feet, it casts too bad and I feel like an absolute kook casting that when mates are flinging their plugs to the horizon with their grandwaves and 0.55. So more learning for me which is what I love so hey.. Ja, that was the only braid setup that survived the heat but it is a joke to cast.

For braid for now I'm back to 50lb hmp stitched to 80lb boat braid with a bimini on the end and I cant remember if I settled on a "paulus albright" or Yucatan to a 1.5m 1mm perline mono leader to four turn figure 8 with "back through clip or hook eye and then through loops" aka Mr D Hill's Knot to a clip and I'll have to take my chances with that for now. But as said, I really need to be using .55 mono and plain mono 1mm leader and my saltist and learn to use it properly. Off the boat I'm using a 20m long mono leader with a .9mm mono leader on top of 50lb braid, mono tied with some japanese knot I have no idea of the name..this so I dont cut off the skipper with braid when we double up and once the fish is near its forgiving being on the mono. That setup actually seems to cast quite lekker kind of like a shooting head does so might try that from the side too..until I learn to cast like a real angler haha

And also..its all very well to have stitches and what not, but you also have to have backup setups you can do in a flash on the rocks in a raging wind, when you get bust off and the fish are going mad all around you and you need to be back in the action ASAP, in that case I just do a 50-60 turn bimini in the braid which takes me no time and loop it to pretied leaders on swivels which I always have a few handy in the bag. The loop is plenty strong I found to my surprise and the bimini holds up and ties quick in braid once you get it well practiced. I landed a few 10+kg leeries this year on that back up system and I could pull it guessing 90% of real line strength and it would hold. All that said the tail took me to the cleaners this year so I can tell you more what does not work on bigger fish more than that works to be 100% honest :)


Don't cut yourself so short Mr.Hoffman. I think your gear is tops. Well definitely the rods you have now. Give your salts to me when I take my reels to be magged, problem solved forever. All this talk of tail gets my blood pumping!!! Some of those leering you got were pulling just as hard, hopefully we have more shoals of tail this season.

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Maybe we get some of these this season!!!

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How on earth they land those big boys I have no idea??? :)

I have such trouble with their smaller brothers and sisters. But my luck has turned so no stress, 10-1 so it was not a blank year. My tackle is getting there, my arms need work now ;) But at least I got one fish out this year then and it is my PB Yihaaa

Seems this thread brought me some luck..Shot psy and also on knots, with a mono to join to leader, a figure 8 to figure 8/ uni-uni isn't strong enough, needs a double uni in mainline to single uni in leader. Any weakness in you or your knots/tackle and these fish will know it and use it.

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Ya, getting fish between 30 and 50 kg is regular, man , that is something, 1 fish and it's off to the physio...lol

Nice on the Pb. I hope I get some more time on the bricks this season.

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