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 Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2014 05:28 pm
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The fathoms are lightning fast, with their spool bearings located inside the spool, almost in leverdrag fasion.

The Penn "live spindle" design, where the spindle (spool shaft) is not locked in a slot with na t-bar, allows the spindle/shaft to rotate independantly from the spool - this minimise the friction and allops a massive amount of freesool !

Lately, I have been approached by more anglers who feel that their smaller size 12/15 Fathoms, are very well controlled by their multi block centrifugal cast control sytem (similar to what the Torium 14 uses), but that they would like more control on the larger 25N/30/40 models, without tightning down on the spool knob.

The extremely limited space between the spool and the right side of the frame, presented more than just a challenge, as the leftside is so crowded, that we didn't even wanted to consider fiddling there.

After ordering a sheet of the thinnest gauge of the special marinegrade magnetic plate I prefer and finding the lowest profile magnets available, the magbrake was operational and we started the casting tests to "calibrate the range of adjustibility.

Wow, these reels can cast and we we lucky enough to find the sweetspots very quickly with Sealiners like Strepie & Co, reporting back on great distance and no thumb control needed for long and hasslefree casting.

BUT THEN CAME THE TWIST ???

We found a Fathom 30 that had way less clearance than all the others before it and my standard setup of plate and magnets, simply didn't clear the spool !

This caused more than the usual amount of frowning by yours truly, as We were already on the thinnest gauge magplate and lowest profile, suitable magnets and in the end, we had no choice than to further "thin" the magplate, to get the needed clearance.  This sorted out the clearance issue and the owner was over the moon with the way he could cast his reel now, with all the blocks locked in the isengeged position and the magforce doing all the control work.

We have since found more than just a few of these Fathoms with such little clearance and in a few cases, we even had to machine the magnets down, to get them to give enough clearance.

All in all, a very interesting experience and still I have no explanation, as to the reason for this variance, but when you have a happy angler, beaming about his casting, the extra effort is surely worth the while !

Cheers - will post a pic of it just now  !

 

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 Posted: Mon Nov 3rd, 2014 05:32 pm
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Have a look at what "low-profile" really means !

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Beautiful as always... :cool:::slr::::slr::::slr::((goodp_((goodp_((goodp_

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Great stuff CC!

Cant wait to test mine! :)

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Had my Fathom 30 & 40 magged by Cuban. Awesome workmanship unlike others I have seen recently. I am enjoying there even more when casting at the moment.

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Hi Arno and Strepie !
I don't expect anyone to allow me to put something in their reels, that I'm not willing to put into my own reels.

I have found that when fitting a neat professional aftermarket magbrake, you actually add to the second hand value of that reel and apart from the performance benefits, you also show some respect for the money spent.

Unfortunately not all of us feel that way and I was horrified to see the "magbrake" below, that cost an angler, a lot of good money !
A friend of his, contacted me, as he was still struggling to cast without overwinds after having it fitted and when he had another hiccup with the reel during a comp and they opened it up - this is what they found - horror of all horrors !

He also had no adjustibility to speak of, as the space on this "plate" was way to confined.

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I was then requested to PLEASE REMOVE IT IF YOU CAN ?

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this is a nice thread to follow

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He then asked me to replace it with "something more fitting his reel" Speedy IV by the way and to boot - at lower cost than the "pretender" and including a storage packet, brochure, storage tube and safety spacers for the magnets and this is what it looks like now, just before it was lubed up with marine grease for extra protection !

I don't want to know where the other one came from ???

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Hell, it's so neat I can't even see it !

Sorry to disappoint, but it's only invisible from the outside ! LOL !!!

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All lubed up and ready to go !

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Hi CC, who would the pretender be?

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Brett Jacobs wrote: Hi CC, who would the pretender be?
As I said - don't want to know - hopefully not someone from South Africa !

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((goodp_((goodp_

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And that Ladies and Gents is why my reels are on their way to Mr. CC for mag upgrades and no one else!!!!!!

only 4 people are allowed inside my reels namely ME, Myself, I and MR.CC;)

06 oor en uit

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Ive magged the FTH25N, on the left side, but it is a messy job and entails removing the ratchet assembly. Does work though.
PS I forgot to say it is adjustable, which is probably worth the trouble.

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That is exactly the reason, why I mag certain reels on the other side.

In some reels the left sideplates are simply just way too "busy" with all it's bits & pieces and does not allow a neat, uncluttered system that also allows the space to add or move magnets for ajustibility !

So I thought it was worth the effort to take on the clearance challenge.

I also "look inside" my reels very regularly and need to see something I like.

Cheers

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Just an update on the "MAG-IT" Magnetic Cast Control System for the Penn Fathom 25N/30/40 !

As mentioned in the first post on this thread, the Fathoms have big variances in the amount of clearance, between spool and frame on the righthand side.
In some cases, the space are so limited that we had to resort to some serious "handshaping/thinning" of plates and magnets, to achieve the needed clearance.

It worked perfectly for the casting aspect, but used up a lot of time at the bench and wasn't ideal to my mind.

So after some thinking and tinkering, here is generation #2 of the Fathom magbrake !

The plate was made narrower to prevent the spool flange touching it, when you set up the reel with a very loose spool.
This was possible in certain reels with the spool tension knob backed out quite far.

At the same time, it was decided to use even lower profile magnets, to help create better clearance and as their diameter is smaller, you can get more in on the plate, so as to have smaller increments of adjustment for fine tuning tbe reel's speed.

Up to five of these magnets, can be acommodated on the magplate and existing kits, can be retrofitted with the new magnets.


Here is how it now looks with four on the plate !

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Very neat, nice job!

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Polychaete wrote: Ive magged the FTH25N, on the left side, but it is a messy job and entails removing the ratchet assembly. Does work though.
PS I forgot to say it is adjustable, which is probably worth the trouble.
An old but interesting thread.  There is no reason for a messy job on the 25N as there is loads of room in the left side  ... plenty enough for an adjustable multimag and without losing the ratchet.  Quite a few of these are in circulation now.

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