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Skuimkop
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Hi guys.

Alot of guys contacts me and ask me for advice on rigs, methods and baits. Now I don't mind sharing but I always emphasise that the way I do things is NOT the alpha and omega of Catfishing. As I always say, I'm not a pro but I'm definitely a student of the game.

Now my problem is I give these guys the info and tips I've got but not anything else that is out there.

So my plan with this post is to get as many inputs from as many people as possible regarding rigs, baits and the different methods they use. I will then compile a EXELL or Pdf file with all this info and I might even make some footage of this. I will also make a post here on Sealine.

This info will then be freely available to anybody interested in it. The beauty of it is that the person can then decide what rigs, methods and baits he has confidence in and use that.

I'm aiming to have all this info by December so I have plenty of time to compile all the info in a nice format.

What's your guys opinions on this?

Discussions on the following baits started here. (just click on the link next to it.

-Day old chickens. http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=95145&forum_id=64&page=2

Last edited on Tue Nov 4th, 2014 10:39 am by Skuimkop

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nice! cant wait.

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lagoaty wrote:
nice! cant wait.

Welcome to Sealine. Like the fact that your first post is at the Barbel section. _seal1_

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great idea !!

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Awesome idea. Will contribute where I can.

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avermaak wrote:
Awesome idea. Will contribute where I can.

Thanx I appreciate. See you also joined Sealine fairly recently. Welcome.

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Goeie idee!! sal help wa ek kan

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Ratler wrote:
Goeie idee!! sal help wa ek kan

Nog 'n nuwe man. Mintig maar ek laaik dit. Welkom by Sealine.

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Baie danki bly om deel van julle te kan wees

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Will share what I know. No pro but have caught the odd cat here and there.

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Looking forward to it. My PB is an 18kg on a fish head, 5/0 hook through the lips. This was a long time ago now, and in a week i will return to south africa to hunt those brutes in the mighty Vaal again. Just cannot wait.

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Ok clearly enough interest in something like this.

I was thinking the way we must go about this is first to discuss/debate a specific bait. The rigs, rigging method, conditions /times you you will use such baits etc. Then if we came to some consensus we go out and put these baits into practise and collect some media (photos, videos and/or animations) which we can share.

The info will obviously be available in this post as we go along and I will keep updating my original post with links (example you are interested in day olds baits so you just click on the link next to day olds which will take you to the start of the day old discussions). When we are finished with all the baits and there discussions and the gathering of the media I will then compile it in a nice friendly format of some sorts and start a 'super' baits post here on Sealine. It will also be available in a digital form that I can forward to who ever is interested.

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Great idea skuim.Count me in, refined one of my floating bait or suspended bait rigs. Will be testing this season, will show you guys at the social. Should have it sorted by than and give a good vaal test.

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Riaan, when is the clinic?

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AYOBA! wrote:
Riaan, when is the clinic?

Ek was laas bietjie onkant gevang toe ons die kliniek en hengel saam probeer hou het en ek moet bieg ek het my naam bietjie gat gemaak agv dit. So die keer wil ek dit reg doen en dis ook die rede hoekom ek die post begin het. Ek wil al die verskillende manier demonstreer met die volgende kliniek en nie net my metodes nie maar ek verseker julle ons sal nog 'n kliniek in die nabye toekoms hou.

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Let's start off with day old chickens. The different methods I know off is where some guys defeather the chicks. I prefer to keep it as natural as possible. Some guys including myself puncher the stomach and other guys don't. In rivers we sometimes ad feather duster feathers to make the bait float. We cast it up river and let it float down river close by structures.

Some guys rig the hook through the spine, others rig the hook through the poepernol and either out the back or out the stomach. Other guys rig the hook in the there down the throat and out the back or out the stomach. There is guys that make use of the hair rig and other guys make use of cable ties to secure the bait.

And then there is of course the chicken bomb which I will demonstrate later on.

Is there any other methods I'm missing here? Do someone maybe have pics of the above mentioned methods?

Any other insets?

Ps: where can I get day old chickens to demonstrate these methods in the Pretoria area?

Last edited on Sun Oct 26th, 2014 10:32 pm by Skuimkop

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When short of chicks, try a cape sparrow....

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Contact Henkor for day old chicks

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http://www.henkor.co.za/

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http://www.henkor.co.za/baber-hengel-deel1.php

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AYOBA! wrote:
Contact Henkor for day old chicks

Dankie, gaan sommer my drywer in die week daar verby stuur.

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Here is some serious views after last night and only one guy replied. Please I need all your insets if we are going to let this work. Any info would help. Something in the line of 'I found that rigging the day old through the spine that the bait slips down to the rounding of the hook and that my hooks isn't that great with this method'. Or 'it doesn't work for me, never had any success with it'. We can then try to figure out why?

Ps: the format I'm looking at as the end product must be something in the line of:
Bait: Day old chicks
Best time of year to use: Spring (bird breading season) and right through the year.
Best conditions and places to use: warm weather and/or shotly after storms and associated flooding, close to reeds, close to overhanging bird nests, near or under bridges and close to water birds rendezvous.
Rig name: The Spine buster
Method: hook through spine out the back (this is where the description on how to make the rig etc etc comes with the media like photos, illustrations and vide)
Gear: general hook sizes and line strengths, hook link lengths etc etc
Pro's: very easy to rig. Baits is freely available etc
Con's: tends to slip down the hook to the rounding of the hook making the hookup percentage drop.
Comments: Puncture the stomach to release ekstra juices if the tempo picks up to keep the Cats interested in your baiting area.

Something in this line???

Som

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How to properly rig a fish head anyone?

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DocPhil wrote:
How to properly rig a fish head anyone?


We will get there and there is good info regarding fish heads. I first started off with the day olds because it hasn't got as many different rigs, methods as fish heads. First wanted everybody's blood flowing before moving over to the more complicated baits so to speak. It is going to take quite a while to go through all of the fish head rigs but just keep your eye on this post.

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Bought some day olds from Henkor (thanx Ayoba) yesterday so I'll see if I have time this weekend to demonstrate some of the rigs I mentioned above. Any special attention/detail you guys want me to give to a specific rig regarding day olds?

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Bought some day olds from Henkor (thanx Ayoba) yesterday so I'll see if I have time this weekend to demonstrate some of the rigs I mentioned above. Any special attention/detail you guys want me to give to a specific rig regarding day olds?

AYOBA!
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cool...price?

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AYOBA! wrote:
cool...price?[/qumote]

R20 vir 5.

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bargain, gaan saterdag 'n draai maak en stock kry

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With regards the day-olds - I put a cable tie through the eyes. Circle hook goes under the cable tie. I slice the belly open. Ive also used three chicks at the same time using this method - cable through each ones eyes and hook cable tied to the three ties.
7/0 hook
cast near the bank under trees.
40kg x 25m leader.

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Stock wrote:
With regards the day-olds - I put a cable tie through the eyes. Circle hook goes under the cable tie. I slice the belly open. Ive also used three chicks at the same time using this method - cable through each ones eyes and hook cable tied to the three ties.
7/0 hook
cast near the bank under trees.
40kg x 25m leader.


Thanx for your input. I like this rig. Simple, easy to make and it is not expensive. You also make use of a type of hair rig whereby the hook is totally exposed but to top it off you can modify it into a chicken bomb rig.

Only one problem I might see with it (chicken bomb). But first tell me when you use the bomb don't you get a lot off 'false' runs? What size Cats do you normally catch with the bomb? 3 kilo class? Maybe even a couple of foul hooks?

Excuse all the questions I'll explain later.

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Skuimkop wrote: Stock wrote:
With regards the day-olds - I put a cable tie through the eyes. Circle hook goes under the cable tie. I slice the belly open. Ive also used three chicks at the same time using this method - cable through each ones eyes and hook cable tied to the three ties.
7/0 hook
cast near the bank under trees.
40kg x 25m leader.


Thanx for your input. I like this rig. Simple, easy to make and it is not expensive. You also make use of a type of hair rig whereby the hook is totally exposed but to top it off you can modify it into a chicken bomb rig.

Only one problem I might see with it (chicken bomb). But first tell me when you use the bomb don't you get a lot off 'false' runs? What size Cats do you normally catch with the bomb? 3 kilo class? Maybe even a couple of foul hooks?

Excuse all the questions I'll explain later.

Won't it be difficult to cast(neck breaking off?)

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with day old you do not need to cast very far

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here was my rig that I posted for Day olds

http://sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=94043&forum_id=64

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Pic1

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Pic3, clipped and ready to go

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This is how I would rig a fish head, will take one of the carp head after this weekend

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Last edited on Fri Oct 31st, 2014 05:04 pm by Ant86

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Im off to the Vaal this weekend,hopefully get in a decent fishing session and post more rigs on Monday

Fire away with questions if you have any

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Antjar wrote:
here was my rig that I posted for Day olds

http://sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=94043&forum_id=64


Now were talking. Was going to ask you and Mark if I can use your info and pics with this post. Thanx Ants.

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This is how I would rig a fish head, will take one of the carp head after this weekend

Nice. Kwaai info. I appreciate your inputs. Have fun and drive safe.

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here was my rig that I posted for Day olds

http://sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=94043&forum_id=64


Now were talking. Was going to ask you and Mark if I can use your info and pics with this post. Thanx Ants.


Always lekker to share ideas ,Ive still got lots to learn and love experimenting. So far this rig has worked extremely well for me for day olds

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Ill post my chicken bomb when i find the picture. # day olds on a nice big old 12/0 circle hook. Personally i do not believe in leaving the skin on, or the wings head and feet. Reason behind taking off these parts is hook obstruction. I've snagged a wing and what not more times than i care to mention. For me leaving the skin on and making it look natural will work, but for me the way the barbel hones in on its prey this is not neccessary. When skuim floats the bait, yes in clear water you will need it to look natural, as the barbel is using sight to find its prey. But in dirty water i cast a skinned day old under a tree and they hit it almost as it lands using the vibration from the bird landing to find its food. In looking and researching different catfish species over the years certain trends pop out, mainly when we look at the eyes, a catfish like the piriaba of the amazon or the phemba in the congo they use sight to hunt, whiskers are short. Our barbel has small eys and over developed whiskers, along with the fact the skin is loaded with taste receptors our barbel are mainly finding food by smell or vibration. So i skin my day old especially because of this. If you look closely at the day old when you skin it, you will see fat under the skin. What is fat made up of? Most importantly what is the catfish looking for in its prey? PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN. So just by taking of the skin we put a scent in the water off the fat. But the biggest scent from a day old is from blood and the egg sack. By removing the head of the bird i open up a cavity down its neck into the organ cavity, this means lots of blood once it defrosts and also scent from the guts and organs. When we cut open the stomach you release the egg yolk from the bird, this is the embriotic sack that it feeds on while growing in the egg. This is loaded with protein and is an amazing way to get scent into the water. This is also a reason i sking the bird. I personally believe this part if the bird is a semi permeable membrane. This has been proven to me time and time again when small fish or eels are present in my fishing area. Ever had a tug on a day old and than nothing? Every single day old i have a small run on that i have taken out the water has had the egg yolk or stomach removed. The fish ate the egg yolk and than left the rest of the bird alone. It used its highly developed smell and scent receptors to find where on the bird the tasty smell of protein was coming from, removed it and went off. So this tells me the fish could smell the egg sack. It was releasing scent and the fish followed that scent trail to the source. So this brings me back to skinning it and why i disagree with cutting open the stomach. I can create a scent trail by removing the head and skin, and can than create a scent trail that will last for hours by leaving the stomach intact. Immediate scent with blood and fat and a slow gradual scent with the stomach. If i open the stomach i think we release to much scent to soon. Once its gone, its gone. As it sinks the egg yolf will leave the body, even while you cast it will fall out. So most of that good scent never ends up where you want it and is gone very quickly after the bird lands in the water. This will be great if there are fish really close to your bait, but if you dont have them close than you need to rely on scent being spread around, ad you need that fish to follow the scent to your bait. If all that yolk has left the body and is not close to the bird leading the fish there like a road than you will miss fish and also your bite rate will decrease rapidly. If fishing in current you will be sunk before you start as all the scent will wash down stream with no connection to the bait. In a bomb i will cut open one of the 3 day olds i use to create that huge initial scent trail in the water. But i leave the other ones as i want the slow relases and trial to last.

Anyway just my 2 cence. Will try post my bomb today.

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Something like this Nobbles?

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Hi guys

I'm kinda new at barbel fishing, have been twice but have had great success!

Firstly I referred to some carp and saltwater fishing ideas to formulate the strategy I used.

The first time I caught over 40 barbel and the second time I caught about 30 in one night sessions...

When it comes to day old chicks, this is what I did!
I bought 100 day olds from a chicken farm.

I took 30 and blended them up in a blender with some water... I also like to add chicken livers in this mix maybe 3x 500g tubs
( I do not use livers for bait! Have not caught anything using it)
This makes a nice bloody gooey mess.
Then take 20 to 30 of them and chop them up into pieces. Mix with blended ones.
I froze it in ice trays to make blocks. The rest I put into little tubs with rocks in to weigh them down.

So the theory is the blended ones emit a lot of flavour/smell into the water... The pieces is there to stimulate feeding and for them to taste.

I fish the vaal river so I fish the margins, under trees and about 15m in.

Firstly you want to throw one tub of frozen pieces in a few feet from the bank... Then I will throw my baits in. Usually 2 rods.

I simply hook it threw the stomach. But I smash it up a bit with a rock first so that it's a bit mushy.

The ice cubes I made I will throw one in a little up river as they usually float. The melt quick releasing scent ant pieces all over. I'll throw on or two blocks ever half hour.

Now, this usually attracts the smaller size ones first...
So I put one rod in the mix and one rod 15m out this rod usually gets the bigger class fish.

Now once I have my first small barbel I'll fillet him and use a whole side fillet on a 2 hook rig. This is normally too heavy for my rod but a kind of swing it in. So it's not too far from the side usually in all the chaos. This bait gets ignored by little barbel but the big ones love it. This can lie for hours while your catching on day olds.

For all my rigs I use a simple sliding sinker rig. Round sinker on main line, swivel with 60cm leader to hook.
For the fillet I have one fixed hook and one sliding hook.

Fishing time is early evening and I find around 10pm/11pm is when you catch frequently.
Season was spring and late summer (2 trips 2013/14)

I hope this helps someone out!

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Oh and my best catches on day olds was 8.7kgs
And on fillets is just over 15kgs

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exactly skuim, just with those wings cut off. The main point there is the big tasty yellow egg sack. Full of protein and scent.

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I don't get any false runs or foul hooks.
Yes, mainly 3.5kg - 4kg. Biggest so far is 6.5kg. I fish mainly in a small dam so Im not sure if there are any bigger cats there.
I got three yesterday in the Vaal river near Deneysville. 3.3kg, 3.5kg and 3.7kg.


Skuimkop wrote: Stock wrote:
With regards the day-olds - I put a cable tie through the eyes. Circle hook goes under the cable tie. I slice the belly open. Ive also used three chicks at the same time using this method - cable through each ones eyes and hook cable tied to the three ties.
7/0 hook
cast near the bank under trees.
40kg x 25m leader.


Thanx for your input. I like this rig. Simple, easy to make and it is not expensive. You also make use of a type of hair rig whereby the hook is totally exposed but to top it off you can modify it into a chicken bomb rig.

Only one problem I might see with it (chicken bomb). But first tell me when you use the bomb don't you get a lot off 'false' runs? What size Cats do you normally catch with the bomb? 3 kilo class? Maybe even a couple of foul hooks?

Excuse all the questions I'll explain later.

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With regards live bait (in areas where its legal) - would a small live barbel or live carp be better than a carp head or barbel head/fillet ?
What size live bait would be the biggest you'd use ?

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Hell yeah, I won't touch any of my buddy's with a razor or anything in that line, hahaha.

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BigLes wrote:
Hi guys

I'm kinda new at barbel fishing, have been twice but have had great success!

Firstly I referred to some carp and saltwater fishing ideas to formulate the strategy I used.

The first time I caught over 40 barbel and the second time I caught about 30 in one night sessions...

When it comes to day old chicks, this is what I did!
I bought 100 day olds from a chicken farm.

I took 30 and blended them up in a blender with some water... I also like to add chicken livers in this mix maybe 3x 500g tubs
( I do not use livers for bait! Have not caught anything using it)
This makes a nice bloody gooey mess.
Then take 20 to 30 of them and chop them up into pieces. Mix with blended ones.
I froze it in ice trays to make blocks. The rest I put into little tubs with rocks in to weigh them down.

So the theory is the blended ones emit a lot of flavour/smell into the water... The pieces is there to stimulate feeding and for them to taste.

I fish the vaal river so I fish the margins, under trees and about 15m in.

Firstly you want to throw one tub of frozen pieces in a few feet from the bank... Then I will throw my baits in. Usually 2 rods.

I simply hook it threw the stomach. But I smash it up a bit with a rock first so that it's a bit mushy.

The ice cubes I made I will throw one in a little up river as they usually float. The melt quick releasing scent ant pieces all over. I'll throw on or two blocks ever half hour.

Now, this usually attracts the smaller size ones first...
So I put one rod in the mix and one rod 15m out this rod usually gets the bigger class fish.

Now once I have my first small barbel I'll fillet him and use a whole side fillet on a 2 hook rig. This is normally too heavy for my rod but a kind of swing it in. So it's not too far from the side usually in all the chaos. This bait gets ignored by little barbel but the big ones love it. This can lie for hours while your catching on day olds.

For all my rigs I use a simple sliding sinker rig. Round sinker on main line, swivel with 60cm leader to hook.
For the fillet I have one fixed hook and one sliding hook.

Fishing time is early evening and I find around 10pm/11pm is when you catch frequently.
Season was spring and late summer (2 trips 2013/14)

I hope this helps someone out!


Brilliant post, thanx. And interesting enough if you want to target bigger Carp you also just cast outside your feeding spot. Like the info coming in, now we even have info on making a feeding spot.

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BigLes wrote: Hi guys



I took 30 and blended them up in a blender with some water... I also like to add chicken livers in this mix maybe 3x 500g tubs
( I do not use livers for bait! Have not caught anything using it)
This makes a nice bloody gooey mess.
Then take 20 to 30 of them and chop them up into pieces. Mix with blended ones.
I froze it in ice trays to make blocks. The rest I put into little tubs with rocks in to weigh them down.


Hi Les
Great post - just to go bit in detail of preparing "day old chicks ice blocks"


I was thinking to pour that gooey mass into empty yogurt containers (1L) and then freeze it , and with that per-bait area.

Now we have to put some small pebbles or small rocks into a that mass so it does not float after being frozen  - but how much is needed to make it sink ?

Would old meat mincer be more easier to do this job -  meaning less messy as i would not add any water ?


And the last , you have to make this that does not cost too much . How much are the  chicks at the farm ?

Chicken intestines can be also bought reasonably  cheap and also be minced together.







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I made some today. Day-olds and chicken liver chum. I used a hand blender. They're cheap and any appliance store sells them.
Zip lock bags for freezing.

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I made some today. Day-olds and chicken liver chum. I used a hand blender. They're cheap and any appliance store sells them.
Zip lock bags for freezing.

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I use old margarine containers, so using yogurt containers is the same concept!

I wish I had a mincer, so that I wouldn't have to cut them up as that is usually quite messy! I would still use a blender as that finely blended pieces as they are easy moved with the current so spreading and attracting through smell.

The minced pieces will stay in the general area you want them obviously depending on current. These little pieces keep the fish in the area!

You need a good amount of rocks, I usually try cover the bottom or use a single rock that is heavy. Don't overdo it as ice isn't extremely bouyant.

Buying from fishing shops is ridiculous! They add heavy mark ups!

Call a few chicken farms and ask them. Prices vary from place to place but anything from R30 to R100 for 100 day olds is the general price.

I think this is cheap and normally buy a few boxes at a time...

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What we have done before (single use and not going all out for prebaiting an area) as well is to freeze a good size bait let's say a fish head (rigged with a clip swivel) of 1-2 kilos inside a 5 liter ice cream bucket. We then would drop it off or wade in and throw it in deeper (that will be water in the range of min 1,6 meters) on the one side out of the way near structures or the riverbed where possible. Yes this lures the smaller Cats but they still can't pick that big bait up. You then decide/quess when you think all the chum is unfrozen and loose from your bait and drag it 3 to 5 meters out of the feeding area where the bigger boys is hanging out on the 'rim' of your feeding spot. Only down side is this bait lies for a long time before being picked up but it delivers you the bigger Cats.

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Thinking about it now a chicken bomb will work lekker with this method. You now targeting the medium size Cats at a good tempo.

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Some great ideas here , definitely going to try over the coming weeks . Fishing at the Vaal River was horrible this weekend , the weather wasn't playing along. Only managed a rat barbel of about 3,5 Kg on a day old . Didn't catch any carp on Saturday night so couldn't put out a head or do a presentation for this thread , caught 6 carp between 3 and 5 kgs on Sunday before we left but wasn't going to chop them up just for the sake of it lol I like the idea of mincing day olds for chum to get some tempo fishing , Ive got 2 rigs with 8lb braid and Ultra Lite Ugly Stiks that is made for that type of fishing!

Off to the lower Orange for a week next week, fingers crossed going to target the 20kg plus guys on BEEG Baits

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I have also considered for loner sessions of more than 1 night when its difficult to keep things frozen, wouldn't taking the mess of blended goodies in 2 litre bottles and taking your usual mielie bomb and then mixing the 2 when you need them?

Because Ice wont last long, and if you let the bomb soak the mixture for a while, it should theoretically absorb it allow a long term slow release?

Does that make sense?

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Was also at the vaal this past weekend and struggled to get hold of carp which resulted in no barbel bait out for Friday night. Caught a 4.8kg carp on Saturday late morning. Put the head out and 15min later into a descent fish that swam through all out other lines and broke me off at the side...Never even saw the damn thing!
After that I used 2x BIG carp fillets cable tied together with the skin on the outside and managed a good one. Unfortunately it was not weighed.
My fish finder also didn't work and I was unable to find deep holes. My 0.80mm leader was cut off a couple of times :? and on what I do not know...

Also, unfortunately I was unable to take photos of the baits as it was pissisting it down! The times it wasn't I just had to be quick and get the bait in the water.
All the baits were dropped with an inflatable.

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How about a pic of the carp fillet baits.
If you don't have a pic how big were they?

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How about a pic of the carp fillet baits.
If you don't have a pic how big were they?

Unfortunately not...but if the carp head is off and you also got the guts out you could cut through all the bones all along the spine and out through the top of the back.

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Then you slide your knife all along the "rib" bones to remove.

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And then finally join to equal parts of either side together with the hooks and line running through the middle. I had mine in approx. 10cm strips and with the skin on the outside. Also have to mention that I descaled the carp. In the cavity between the 2 fillets you could add some of the intestines before you cable tie it close. This would serve as extra scent...

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This was my mates PB carp of 4.8kg that got used as bait.

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F1%hpa%te wrote:
This was my mates PB carp of 4.8kg that got used as bait.

Hahaha cutting up your buddy's pb is hilarious. Nice buddy you are, hahaha.

Now I know some of the Carp Specimen anglers will frown upon cutting up Carps this size but there has to be remembered that we are targeting bigger Cats and as everyone knows Cats have larger mouths than Carp of the same size.

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Stock wrote:
How about a pic of the carp fillet baits.
If you don't have a pic how big were they?

Unfortunately not...but if the carp head is off and you also got the guts out you could cut through all the bones all along the spine and out through the top of the back.


Really cool illustration, can I please use it in our super post later one?

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Skuimkop wrote:
F1%hpa%te wrote:
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How about a pic of the carp fillet baits.
If you don't have a pic how big were they?

Unfortunately not...but if the carp head is off and you also got the guts out you could cut through all the bones all along the spine and out through the top of the back.


Really cool illustration, can I please use it in our super post later one?

I felt quite embarrassed uploading them ugly paint attempts but hey please knock yourself out. :) On my next session I will do my best to get some descent pictures!

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F1%hpa%te wrote:
This was my mates PB carp of 4.8kg that got used as bait.

Hahaha cutting up your buddy's pb is hilarious. Nice buddy you are, hahaha.

Now I know some of the Carp Specimen anglers will frown upon cutting up Carps this size but there has to be remembered that we are targeting bigger Cats and as everyone knows Cats have larger mouths than Carp of the same size.
Funny thing is I am also a specimen angler but one has to remember that the vaal system has no shortage of carp + they are also an alien species. I am 100% dedicated in catch and release but there is nothing wrong with using a fish. 1/2 that carp was donated to the worker on the farm along with n plastic box full of different sized hooks and all my left over feed, floaties and mielies. You should have seen the smile on the mans face. Make it so worth if you can see real gratitude.
PS. That 1/2 a carp was filleted to perfection and not a single bone I can guarantee! ;)

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So we are almost done with chicks and fillet - or we not ?

Head by far is best and Muddy one for sure . It has to be something special with Muddy blood or intestines that attracts barbel so quickly

In many occasions with my fishing buddies, the one who has muddy head vs one that has carp head , is the winner .  Muddy head will bring much quicker bite and especially in winter on colder water.
We were pulling barbel's in Vaal river on 12C water temperature on muddy head.

But these days we don't catch so many muddies like 15 years ago - maybe I am mistaken but you guys can comment on your own experience . I also do feel sorry that we have to kill them all the time to catch barbel.

That is why I am keen on day old chicks experiment even if that makes me to puke or even vomit during the mincing process.

Filets are really just last resource when you don't have nothing else to put on.
I even think that blue soap will give better results. Fillets has no smell and depend on barble swimming past them to get bite.



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I see so many people complaining about the muddies being a nuisance but for some reason they always elude me... I almost want to say that we should not use them and stick to carp and grass carp since they are everywhere and not native...

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So we are almost done with chicks and fillet - or we not ?

Head by far is best and Muddy one for sure . It has to be something special with Muddy blood or intestines that attracts barbel so quickly

In many occasions with my fishing buddies, the one who has muddy head vs one that has carp head , is the winner .  Muddy head will bring much quicker bite and especially in winter on colder water.
We were pulling barbel's in Vaal river on 12C water temperature on muddy head.

But these days we don't catch so many muddies like 15 years ago - maybe I am mistaken but you guys can comment on your own experience . I also do feel sorry that we have to kill them all the time to catch barbel.

That is why I am keen on day old chicks experiment even if that makes me to puke or even vomit during the mincing process.

Filets are really just last resource when you don't have nothing else to put on.
I even think that blue soap will give better results. Fillets has no smell and depend on barble swimming past them to get bite.





The reason why Muddy heads is a better bait than Carp head is because it contains more oils in the head and gills so it gives off a stronger sent trail for longer. Problem is if you target the real monster Cats you are not going to a Muddy head of 2 plus kilo's. That is why we use the Carp heads. But yes Muddies is a better bait.

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F1%hpa%te wrote:
Skuimkop wrote:
F1%hpa%te wrote:
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How about a pic of the carp fillet baits.
If you don't have a pic how big were they?

Unfortunately not...but if the carp head is off and you also got the guts out you could cut through all the bones all along the spine and out through the top of the back.


Really cool illustration, can I please use it in our super post later one?

I felt quite embarrassed uploading them ugly paint attempts but hey please knock yourself out. :) On my next session I will do my best to get some descent pictures!


Point is it clearly demonstrates how to fillet a fish.

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Skuimkop wrote:
D5 wrote:
So we are almost done with chicks and fillet - or we not ?

Head by far is best and Muddy one for sure . It has to be something special with Muddy blood or intestines that attracts barbel so quickly

In many occasions with my fishing buddies, the one who has muddy head vs one that has carp head , is the winner .  Muddy head will bring much quicker bite and especially in winter on colder water.
We were pulling barbel's in Vaal river on 12C water temperature on muddy head.

But these days we don't catch so many muddies like 15 years ago - maybe I am mistaken but you guys can comment on your own experience . I also do feel sorry that we have to kill them all the time to catch barbel.

That is why I am keen on day old chicks experiment even if that makes me to puke or even vomit during the mincing process.

Filets are really just last resource when you don't have nothing else to put on.
I even think that blue soap will give better results. Fillets has no smell and depend on barble swimming past them to get bite.





The reason why Muddy heads is a better bait than Carp head is because it contains more oils in the head and gills so it gives off a stronger sent trail for longer. Problem is if you target the real monster Cats you are not going to a Muddy head of 2 plus kilo's. That is why we use the Carp heads. But yes Muddies is a better bait.

Damit guys do I have to give all my secrets away...?
Take you carp head and add generous amount of cod liver oil in the gills and flesh. Also, same can be done with the fillets. Remember it is an oil so it will dissipate in the water but it will also stick to the bait for a long period afterwards. ;)

Cod liver oil has high levels of omega-3 fatty acids along with vitamin A and D. It was traditionally manufacture by filling wooden barrels with fresh cod livers and seawater and allowing the mixture to ferment for up to a year. Today cod liver oil is made by cooking the whole cod body tissue of fatty fish during the manufacturing of fish meal.

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Skuimkop wrote:
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So we are almost done with chicks and fillet - or we not ?

Head by far is best and Muddy one for sure . It has to be something special with Muddy blood or intestines that attracts barbel so quickly

In many occasions with my fishing buddies, the one who has muddy head vs one that has carp head , is the winner .  Muddy head will bring much quicker bite and especially in winter on colder water.
We were pulling barbel's in Vaal river on 12C water temperature on muddy head.

But these days we don't catch so many muddies like 15 years ago - maybe I am mistaken but you guys can comment on your own experience . I also do feel sorry that we have to kill them all the time to catch barbel.

That is why I am keen on day old chicks experiment even if that makes me to puke or even vomit during the mincing process.

Filets are really just last resource when you don't have nothing else to put on.
I even think that blue soap will give better results. Fillets has no smell and depend on barble swimming past them to get bite.





The reason why Muddy heads is a better bait than Carp head is because it contains more oils in the head and gills so it gives off a stronger sent trail for longer. Problem is if you target the real monster Cats you are not going to a Muddy head of 2 plus kilo's. That is why we use the Carp heads. But yes Muddies is a better bait.

Damit guys do I have to give all my secrets away...?
Take you carp head and add generous amount of cod liver oil in the gills and flesh. Also, same can be done with the fillets. Remember it is an oil so it will dissipate in the water but it will also stick to the bait for a long period afterwards. ;)

Cod liver oil has high levels of omega-3 fatty acids along with vitamin A and D. It was traditionally manufacture by filling wooden barrels with fresh cod livers and seawater and allowing the mixture to ferment for up to a year. Today cod liver oil is made by cooking the whole cod body tissue of fatty fish during the manufacturing of fish meal.


To upgrade you can use a small pill container filled with those green foam stuff the florist use to keep the flowers in place. Drill two small holes in the top and bottom of the container. You then soak that green foam with codliver, close the lid and insert the container in the mouth of the fish head. Sow the lips shut to keep the container in the mouth and whalla you have a sent trail that will last so much longer.

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Thanks Skuim, alternatively you could also use a tampon...:? It would not be funny if the Mrs catches you nicking her stuff nor would it be funny if she catches you with a box in your tackle bag... ;) Harde pakslae pappa!

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Would a barbel head bait be a good option? I'm thinking of a head of a +-3kg barbel with a 10/0 circle through its lips.

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Would a barbel head bait be a good option? I'm thinking of a head of a +-3kg barbel with a 10/0 circle through its lips.
Personally I would rather use barbel fillet although I am sure a cat would pick it up...

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Would a barbel head bait be a good option? I'm thinking of a head of a +-3kg barbel with a 10/0 circle through its lips.

I don't think so. There is not much sent in the Cats head in my opion (see pic), but the fillets is a total different story. Muscle have a lot of blood vessels and because the Cats is almost totally muscle it makes for an excellent fillet bait.

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Geniet dit. Neem sommer asb fotos van jou Krap rigs. Ons gaan dit ook nog bespreek.

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Does anyone use live bait besides platties for barbel?

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Howzit Stock, I've superglued crickets to the hook to catch bass - worked nicely. Tried it at Footloose...

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Ive used live muddies and grassies

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Can super clue a floating hook to the back of a crab as well, it is not cruel.

Just to mention that live bait is ellegal outside KwaZulu-Natal. Don't want to be the party prooper but just passing on info.

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Crickets didn't last to long after being impaled on the hook, they last much longer when super glued!!

@Skuimkop what's the reason for not permitting live bait?

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Didn't that guy that recently caught all this big record barbel catch them with live barbel? I didn't hear any uproar about it.

I personally haven't tried it, but purely because I have never caught on small enough! I also would, from my kob experience, not use a live bait bigger than 30cm.

I have had good success in barbel fillets!

Just a side note, bigger is not always better!!!
I used to fish big mullet for kob in the eastern cape, I would catch lots of 4 to 8kg kob each night... Always trying for that big one.
One day I got a small mullet in my net, prob 8cm, I decided to put it on my cheapest outfit an Okuma fun chaser R100 special I believe while on my 4 abu garcia 7500c I had big mullet. And what would you know, I hook into the biggest fish if my life, which I will likely never catch something of that size, but it's on my cheapest kiddies combo, I had to chase the fish with my boat like the do with marlin! And with that 8cm mullet I hooked a kob of over 50kgs. Just some food for thought!

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Crickets didn't last to long after being impaled on the hook, they last much longer when super glued!!

@Skuimkop what's the reason for not permitting live bait?


Animal cruelty.

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Just shows you how screwed up we are in SA. In Natal it is not animal cruelty but everywhere else it is. WTF?

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The thing with the big baits is big fish will pick up small baits and big baits but small fish can only pick up small baits. So you basically fish through the small fish to get to the bigger fish.

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So live bait not legal in Cape?

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Easy to sort that ( legal or not legal)
Change on your profile location to KZN and we can all continue with this topics

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You landed a 50kg on a kids rod. Thats impressive

Yeah! Imagine one guy on a boat lifting anchor with one hand and mouth... While fish is stripping all your line! Driving the boat, following the fish up and down the estuary, while still trying to keep the line tight! Was awesome! 2 hours later I had it next to the boat about 2 km upstream from where it was hooked.

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IF (and I mean IF) I was in KZN......could I use a live barbel....;)

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Easy to sort that ( legal or not legal)
Change on your profile location to KZN and we can all continue with this topics

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Gents can we start a different topic for live bait and the legalities around it?

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Live bait is unfortunately illegal every where in fresh water other than Natal, from my understanding it is because the fish wont recover if pierced with a hook. It will get an infection and die. The supposed reason is that the salt in the ocean keeps the wound clean if a live bait is put back. This would than mean that when we hook a fish it should than die as it would become infected. I could be wrong about this info but have read that on this forum. But ont his logic than all fishing should be banned. Go figure. Although live fish in natal is legal, fishing with platties is ilegal. They belive them to be endangered, again they have mistaken the species we have in natal as the one in the cape which is endangered. Agian government logic hard at work here. Following this Msinzi, which owns alot of the dams have repeatedly told me to fish how ever i want, where as parks board fined me for using a plattie. Sealine how ever prohibits the mentioning of live bait in fresh water because of these regulations. But at the end of the day live bait is used world wide for catfish and is one of the best baits out there. Every single one of my larger fish has come off a livie.

As far as heads and fillets go, i love Natal yellowfish or know here as a scalie. These species of yellowfish are not endangered in natal, its a separate species to the more inland ones, the large scale etc. Depending on time of year, natal yellowfish are plentiful and make exceptionally good bait. Much like the muddie they put out a good scent trail and these catfish cant leave them alone.

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I would say we leave the live bait out of it as it has attracted a lot of attention in the past. Yellowfish as bait is another touchy subject regardless of species.

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Just before we move on to fish heads I must mention that I have had very good success with 'dop kuikens'. That is chickens that is still in their shells. Can't say what makes it a better bait for me than the actual day olds but, I rate it better than day olds. I also found that leaving the shell as intact (must have at least cracks) as possible lifts up the strikee rate. The egg sack must give off that extra juices and sent associated with it to lure those bad boys closer.

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Where do you get those?

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Agreed, until such a time or there is a forum we can discuss live bait, its best to leave the subject alone. Yellow fish i know people get upset about, but again non endangered, we literally have millions of natal yellow fish. About the same number as tilapia, so im comfortable using a sustainable bait source to fish. If i went out of the province i would not use yellow fish due to the fact they are endangered in certain areas.

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Problem with Yellow fish is they only reach maturity after 7 years, so they struggle to get a good breeding population going in a stretch of water. So big ones MUST go back and not even in a keepnet.

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This is why I suggest one does not mention yellows as it will become another handbag slinging thread...just like the specimen threads!
Yellows are also very susceptible to pollution etc. and often struggle to recuperate.

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Ok moving on to fish heads. Before we start discussing the different techniques I think we must just talk about the different fish heads we use and can use and don't use.

Carp head - Yes
Grass Carp head - yes
Muddy head - yes
Kurper/Talapia - not really but can be used as a small bait. I would rather use it as a whole fish bait.
Bass - same as Kurper above.
Catfish heads - don't really rate the head as a good Cat bait.
Sardine heads - had success with it so yes it can be an option.
Yellow fish - no, has legal issues surrounding these species.

Any other I'm missing.

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What about yellowTAIL / Bonnie heads ?

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What about yellowTAIL / Bonnie heads ?

Stock it will work but catching something at the venue that the cats are used to will be better and cheaper in my opinion. I have used sardines before but have not really had great results so have abandoned that idea completely.
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Skuimkop, I've tried trout head and maasbanker once each. Had takes on both but unfortunately didn't land them. Perhaps my setup wasn't 100% right....?

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I tried on salmon heads that I got form fishery close to my work . Did not produce any catch except occasional bites that was dropped. There were frozen and no much blood on them - should probably left them to rot a bit on sun .

That makes me to think that Cod oil  ( earlier mentioned) - one you buy in fishing shops would not attract Cat as good as the blood or oil from muddy head.

Or that may be caused by the fact that Cod oil does not dissolve in water and quickly floats to the surface.

The answer maybe lies in blood instead of oil as ultimate attractor.

I know of liquid (not a soap and without any taste)  which can be mixed with oil which will then dissolve oil in water as in cloud. Maybe worth a try.
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Maybe they were just not hungry. Ive have caught them well on sardines. Yellowtail fillets and muscle meat. Personaly i believe leaving baits to rot pointless. I think a fish preffers a fresh meal over a rotten one. I stand to be corrected

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Very interesting post.
I'm very surprised that no one has mentioned circle hooks in their bait presentations?
In my opinion it is by far the best hook for barbel.
I don't even have J hooks or any other hook in my barbel box.

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The only time I will make use of rotten baits would be after strong floods. These floods cause a lot of deaths in the animal world. From small right through to big animals. Frogs, Crickets, earthworms, snails, birds even fish to likkewane, sheep, cows etc etc. So what happens when these floods subside? These dead animals start to rot in the sun in the shallows as the water starts to pull back. Easy meal for Mr Whiskers? That is the only time I would use and recommend rotten baits.

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I know a lot of these guys that replied here is actually making use of circle hooks. Maybe just didn't mention it as such. Anyway I will cover circle hooks in the super post when we are finished with these discussions.

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I know a lot of these guys that replied here is actually making use of circle hooks. Maybe just didn't mention it as such. Anyway I will cover circle hooks in the super post when we are finished with these discussions.
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I know a lot of these guys that replied here is actually making use of circle hooks. Maybe just didn't mention it as such. Anyway I will cover circle hooks in the super post when we are finished with these discussions.
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Ek gebruik meestal circles met kleiner ase en dan die groot mustad catfish hooks vir GROOT ase... Circles is ek nooit sonder.

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Hi chaps. I must admit i feel very guilty about my 3 word posts and little input and decided to make it right and share my basic drifting trace with you. Hope you enjoy::slr::_seal1_;););)


Ill start by saying this. Drifting is awsome and provides bites when bank or anchored angling is slow. How ever it becomes awful frustrating having to reverse the boat every 100m to free a snagged rig. Most people will say you must move to an area with a sandy bottom and little structure. But this means you may be moving off the fish half the time. I hopey rig helps.

Fluero carbon is not a must but i love it. First get your favourite circle hook. Size 6.0 or 7.0 is normally good depending on brand. Snell that onto a hook link about 20 to 40 cm in lenght depending on how deep you want your bait to swim. Like so. I use a .70 leader but its up to you.

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Hi chaps. I must admit i feel very guilty about my 3 word posts and little input and decided to make it right and share my basic drifting trace with you. Hope you enjoy::slr::_seal1_;););)


Ill start by saying this. Drifting is awsome and provides bites when bank or anchored angling is slow. How ever it becomes awful frustrating having to reverse the boat every 100m to free a snagged rig. Most people will say you must move to an area with a sandy bottom and little structure. But this means you may be moving off the fish half the time. I hopey rig helps.

Fluero carbon is not a must but i love it. First get your favourite circle hook. Size 6.0 or 7.0 is normally good depending on brand. Snell that onto a hook link about 20 to 40 cm in lenght depending on how deep you want your bait to swim. Like so. I use a .70 leader but its up to you.

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Hi chaps. I must admit i feel very guilty about my 3 word posts and little input and decided to make it right and share my basic drifting trace with you. Hope you enjoy::slr::_seal1_;););)


Ill start by saying this. Drifting is awsome and provides bites when bank or anchored angling is slow. How ever it becomes awful frustrating having to reverse the boat every 100m to free a snagged rig. Most people will say you must move to an area with a sandy bottom and little structure. But this means you may be moving off the fish half the time. I hopey rig helps.

Fluero carbon is not a must but i love it. First get your favourite circle hook. Size 6.0 or 7.0 is normally good depending on brand. Snell that onto a hook link about 20 to 40 cm in lenght depending on how deep you want your bait to swim. Like so. I use a .70 leader but its up to you.

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Ok from here i take a 5 or 6 inch black plain bass worm and cut a 4 cm long piece out with a sciccors. I slide that on the line with a bait needle and i press a glass rattle into it like this

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Ok from here i take a 5 or 6 inch black plain bass worm and cut a 4 cm long piece out with a sciccors. I slide that on the line with a bait needle and i press a glass rattle into it like this

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Drifting can be very exhilarating and I actually prefer this to being anchored. Even Artlure I enjoy more being on the move rather than being anchored. Think me and Krugel must make some time to drift that weekend.

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Ok the hook l8nk lenght can be shorter. Play till you get the pulls. Crom here i connect a 3 way swivel and another piece of line which goes to my lead. This will ultimatly determine weather your bait is a bottom mid water or even a surface bait. And pay attention to how i connect the lead. This helps so much with snags its amazing. I used to fish i line leads but changed to this

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Ok the hook l8nk lenght can be shorter. Play till you get the pulls. Crom here i connect a 3 way swivel and another piece of line which goes to my lead. This will ultimatly determine weather your bait is a bottom mid water or even a surface bait. And pay attention to how i connect the lead. This helps so much with snags its amazing. I used to fish i line leads but changed to this

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This for me has delievered more barbel for me than just about any other method

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Here is a variation. I use this over featurless bottom because it will have little movement dragging through silt or flat sand. So the elastic creates bounce giving your bait the most amazing action. Pays of often. Also if you snag you only loose a lead which is great because these vmc dynamics are 25 bux a pop

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My sinker lines were all longer than normal to just illustrate how it works

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Very interesting post.
I'm very surprised that no one has mentioned circle hooks in their bait presentations?
In my opinion it is by far the best hook for barbel.
I don't even have J hooks or any other hook in my barbel box.


Started with J's only , then went to Circles only - now keep both depending on the bait and situation.Quick example, I was fishing just before the onset of winter with circles and the cats were picking the bait up running a meter or 2 and dropping again. The runs were to short to set the circle, changed over to J's and first run we were Vas.

But in general I do prefer fishing with circles for both the fishes sake and better hookups

I leave for the Orange in a few hours , lets hope I can post a few pics of Orange River monsters

Cheers Anthony

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Capiez wrote:
Very interesting post.
I'm very surprised that no one has mentioned circle hooks in their bait presentations?
In my opinion it is by far the best hook for barbel.
I don't even have J hooks or any other hook in my barbel box.


Started with J's only , then went to Circles only - now keep both depending on the bait and situation.Quick example, I was fishing just before the onset of winter with circles and the cats were picking the bait up running a meter or 2 and dropping again. The runs were to short to set the circle, changed over to J's and first run we were Vas.

But in general I do prefer fishing with circles for both the fishes sake and better hookups

I leave for the Orange in a few hours , lets hope I can post a few pics of Orange River monsters

Cheers Anthony

Good luck on the Orange.
Was there last month. Got a few monsters on muddy head and a circle hook of course :):)

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Deisel, I use an almost identical rig for drifting (minus the bass worm and rattle). It is the most productive method for barbel at Bloemhof. As for J vs Circle hooks, it depends. Circles tend not to snag as much as J-hooks when drifting in the bays, but some days the J-Hooks just seem to produce more fish as the circles don't get enough time in the mouth to set right. One more thing, whilst t anchor nothing beats a live grassie at Bloemhof. Its like catnip to barbel there. Grassie heads are a second, followed by carp heads. Carp and grassie fillets bring up the rear and also work well for drifting. Interested to see how the guys rig up the big carp heads. I have had lots of runs on big carp heads, but battle to get hook set. Great Thread!

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2 words for both drifitng with circles and big carp heads. Trailing hooks. Bud do use the elastic rig or the normal pear inline rig. Both above?

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Nice rig Diesel, will give it a bash. Normally i drift with a suspended bait, generally weight under bait and bait half a meter up from the weight. Or just the good old sliding sinker. That rattle is interesting, ive been considering using one for a while, nice to know it grafts. I try drift through transitional zones,where rocky banks change to sand etc. Fish seem to use these as holding areas whebn they are on the move, not always there but worth a drift up and down.

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Richard M wrote:
Interested to see how the guys rig up the big carp heads. I hhave had lots of runs on big carp heads, but battle to get hook set. Great Thread!

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Hi Guys
 
Ok after reading this and the other post I decided to go and try my luck.
I made these last night and they should be nice and frozen by now.
They are 2kg of chicken liver 1 kg of hearts and 2kg of giblets that was chopped up a bit with a blender there is still allot of nice chunks in there.
I did not want to liquidize it as then it will all just get swept away by the current I want the chunks to stick around for a bit.
I will be fishing close to a bridge on the vaal river.
I will drop 2 tubs close by there is a nice big hole and 2 at casting distance when I get there tomorrow.
I am not targeting monsters just want to catch ALLOT of fish.
I have kept out enough giblets and hearts for bait but will drop a carp head and fillet in-between when I catch a couple.
I will try and remember to take photos of the bait on the hook and hopefully post a pic or 10 of the fish.
 
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Just a suggestion, let's pause a bit with the fish heads and discuss drifting so we can keep all the different bait discussions fairly together.

Why is drifting such an excellent method to out class the Cats? Movement of the bait triggering the sight sense of the Cat? Vibrations triggering the electro reception sense of the Cat? Sent/smell?

What baits is best for drifting?

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Throw in floating foam on your hook with your bait presentation and keep it in place with coast cotton and/or even better put a heat shrink over the foam which you secured with the cotton. With these small baits and a feeding spot your tempo should climb drastically.

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If I may ask why float the bait?

I know crabs might be a problem this being the river but I have another plan I will test first and share on Monday?

Plus my trace is about 1M in length if I float it it might be a bit high as my sinker trace will also be long +- 50 cm.

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Agreed skuim.
Personally i started to float some baits when i started to pay more attention to just how a barbel looks. This tells us how it feeds, its mouth is not on the underside of the fish, so it does not only feed on the bottom. As with alot of the angling species of catfish they are predators first, scavengers second. So thy are designned to eat bait not only off the floor but infront of them in the water column.You will catch fish either way, but a floated bait for me any way just adds a dimention into my angling i was not covering before. The bait being 2m off the bottom is not a real issue. You will still get scent trails going off into the water. This i believe helps alot having bait suspended. If you look at fish behavior in relation to water temp and oxygen, they are not always on the bottom, they move with the thermocline. Based on the temp in the water will let you know where the highest oxygen band is in the water. Fish will hold here as they dont have to move around alot to breath. So having a bait suspended, for me anyway, will and can get scent faster to fish than on the bottom. On the bottom the scent has to travel alot further at times to reach mr whiskers, where as a suspended bait may be putting the bait and scent closer to where the fish are actually holding in the water. My 2 cents anway.

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Par tof the reason i suspend bait when i drift is this same reason. When i am drifting, i don't do enough of. I generally have 4 rods. 2 baits are at least 6ft off the ground, depending on water depth. and the other 2 are on the bottom. This allows me to cover a greater water profile when i see fish holding in mid water.

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Can fish guts and heads(choped up) also be used as a attractant?
Lots of fisheries gut and throw this away as its not wanted by the consumer. I am sure that the fishery will not mind filling a 5L container with scraps for me?

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Can fish guts and heads(choped up) also be used as a attractant?
Lots of fisheries gut and throw this away as its not wanted by the consumer. I am sure that the fishery will not mind filling a 5L container with scraps for me?


Absolutely.

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In regards to drifting. One can use chum like tim showed us to put down and drift over it. Its very effective. Here at the vaal i try drift at about 0.6 of a kmph. Some times they like it faster sometimes slower. Not always easy to say. I also keep my baits no highter than 40cm off the bottom seems most of the fish are in the level on the vaal. I am gonna start using crank baits on this rog to see if yellows or monster bass may be interestd

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I have not really tried drifting in the river, but in dams (obviously with a boat) it is very productive. I can only attribute the success to the movement and vibration made. I have noticed that rigging the weight as Diesel showed, is more productive than using a traditional sliding weight trace. I think is as a result of the weight bouncing along on the bottom (similar to the "roep" method). It also seems more productive if there is a reasonable wind blowing and rippling the water. Too slow a drift is unproductive the boat needs to be moving above 0.5kmh.

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Here is a few illustrations of drifting rigs.

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This rig might do what Nobbles tries to accomplish with his rig, being more buoyant than the above demonstrated rigs.

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This last rig has been the most effective for me at Bloemhof. Probably as you state, the bait is kept just off the bottom. Also less snags with this type of rig. The santee rig looks interesting as well.

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About right skuim. The Santee rig there i have been using both on a drift and as a set (no moving bait). Im very interested in the moment in the suspended or floating rigs. That float the yanks use on the santee can also have a rattle in it, very interesting method.. The guys on the ebro are also using rattles in alot of different ways, ill try get some pictures or ask for an explanation.
with the suspend bait when i drift, the sinker doesn't actually touch the bottom. I drop the bait down until the sinker touches the bottom, i than reel the bait up to where i believe the fish may be holding in the water. This has been working well for me, i need to test it on other waters. But if i find the fish holding at a certain depth this allows me to be a bit more precise. The bait literally goes past there nose or with in a small distance from them. My other 2 rods i use the running sinker. But that 3 way rig ill certainly be giving a bash when the trolling motor comes back from the doctors. I like diesels rig with the worm.

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Sorry double post.

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I would mix the slip sinker rig with the Santee rig whereby I would let the sinker bob on the bottom and place the floating foam closer to the bait/hook because what I would like to mimic is a small bait fish (sinker) scattering along the bottom kicking up silt trying to get away from a chasing predatory fish (hook & bait) which in turn would become bait fish for the catfish. The catfish will hone in on this fish as it is occupied by chasing the smaller bait fish.

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I make my own drift leads with shrink tube and 3 gram round leads and i fish the santenee rig but with out a float on the line. If i want to go higher in the water columb i use a three way rig. The inline leads just snag to much.

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Here it is. Basic version ran out of shrink tube

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Just a teazer of what is coming, and no it's not the beer. One moerse liver and a pig heart.

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Ok moving on to fish heads. Before we start discussing the different techniques I think we must just talk about the different fish heads we use and can use and don't use.

Carp head - Yes
Grass Carp head - yes
Muddy head - yes
Kurper/Talapia - not really but can be used as a small bait. I would rather use it as a whole fish bait.
Bass - same as Kurper above.
Catfish heads - don't really rate the head as a good Cat bait.
Sardine heads - had success with it so yes it can be an option.
Yellow fish - no, has legal issues surrounding these species.

Any other I'm missing.

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baber chum!!!

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Has anyone got some nice pics of a hair rigged head with a circle hook i always enjoy watching the bait made up by other guys. Thanx skuim for that opening message. Good to clarify the important stuff first.

For a bit of input i sure do love grass carp heads. Squashed a bit and hooked from bottom to top through the lips. Perfer them for anchored or bank fishing unless the heads are very small then i may attempt a drift

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Not hair rigged but with a circle.

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That is exactly how I normally rig my circles on a carp or muddy head.

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Squashed a bit and hooked from bottom to top through the lips.

I use this method if the tempo is up. Other methods the guys use to get that extra sent out there is to damage the gill rakes with a knife, remove the gill plates, the split fish head (Enigma's post), frozen fish head soaked in blood, the head of a fish that was frozen up side down for the blood to drain to the head, insert an empty capsule filled with blood in the flesh (I'll demonstrate this for us), or put a pill container filled with blood in the fishes mouth and then off coarse there is the wrapped bait head as we know it.

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Guys here is a random question regarding my recent visit to the vaalriver where the river is really shallow (less than 2m)... I fish with a long Maxima leader of +-3m 0.80mm. and on a couple of occasions my leader got cut through on something...unfortunately I could not get the fish finder to work so I do not know whats going on...crab...rocks...etc. etc.
Do you guys think a long thin 2m section of plastic coated steel wire as leader would discourage pick-ups?

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a bit off topic, but I think this is a nice deal...

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F1%hpa%te wrote:
Guys here is a random question regarding my recent visit to the vaalriver where the river is really shallow (less than 2m)... I fish with a long Maxima leader of +-3m 0.80mm. and on a couple of occasions my leader got cut through on something...unfortunately I could not get the fish finder to work so I do not know whats going on...crab...rocks...etc. etc.
Do you guys think a long thin 2m section of plastic coated steel wire as leader would discourage pick-ups?


Personally I don't like using coated steel but I know off a lot of anglers who use it very successfully. Had the same problem with 100lb braid at the Oranje and I switched back to hi abrasion mono (50lb) and problem was solved. Yes I could see the wear and tear after just one catch on the mono and had to cut those peaces out the whole time but I didn't loose a single fish after that.

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Capiez wrote:
That is exactly how I normally rig my circles on a carp or muddy head.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that but I still believe we are getting it wrong if we move over to the really big baits.

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Skuimkop wrote:
F1%hpa%te wrote:
Guys here is a random question regarding my recent visit to the vaalriver where the river is really shallow (less than 2m)... I fish with a long Maxima leader of +-3m 0.80mm. and on a couple of occasions my leader got cut through on something...unfortunately I could not get the fish finder to work so I do not know whats going on...crab...rocks...etc. etc.
Do you guys think a long thin 2m section of plastic coated steel wire as leader would discourage pick-ups?


Personally I don't like using coated steel but I know off a lot of anglers who use it very successfully. Had the same problem with 100lb braid at the Oranje and I switched back to hi abrasion mono (50lb) and problem was solved. Yes I could see the wear and tear after just one catch on the mono and had to cut those peaces out the whole time but I didn't loose a single fish after that.

I feel you Skuim, but I don't play with bait once in the water and will leave it in till I get a pull. I feel that you have to have confidence in your location where your dropped your bait otherwise you are dammed from the start. Problem here is I get a pull and get cut off underwater...easy thing is to change location but this is not possible where I fish. Anyway, I am back Desember so sal maar sien wat ek kan sort!

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Not crabs chopping you bud?

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Not crabs chopping you bud?
Diesel, it didnt look like crabs, but as it is a shallow section...it might very well be!

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Skuimkop wrote:
Capiez wrote:
That is exactly how I normally rig my circles on a carp or muddy head.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that but I still believe we are getting it wrong if we move over to the really big baits.

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=90806&forum_id=64

Yes, I have found to miss a few hook ups when using bigger head baits, but generally I prefer using smaller baits.

Do you think your hook up rate will be much better using a "hair rig" type rig with a circle when using big baits or would you just go with the double J hook rig as in the link?

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I have confidence in my j-hooks so I would use them and yes I do believe you will have a better hook up rate. Regarding the circle hooks I would also believe they will give you a better hookup rate. Only problem I can forsee with the circles is that you might not have a big enough hook for those big baits as the same size books between the J hook and the circle hooks differ quit alot.

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99% of the time I will use a 12/0 circle.
Definitely going to try the hair rig with bigger heads in the future. Thanks for the feedback

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Barbel tend to swallow fish head first, so if your "head bait" is small enough this wont be a problem. If its a large head, the circle hook may go in the wrong way and not set right. On bigger heads I have had better hook up ratio's with circles by putting the hook through the back of the grassie body where you cut it off. Just far enough in to prevent it flying off during a cast and the hook is still nice and open. A "proper" hair rig may work better where you attach the head to the hook with a length of Dacron or such. Will experiment with this next chance I get to go to Bloemhof.

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Only problem I can forsee with the circles is that you might not have a big enough hook for those big baits as the same size books between the J hook and the circle hooks differ quit alot.
Is this circle BIG enough for you boys...? ;)

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Skuimkop wrote:
Only problem I can forsee with the circles is that you might not have a big enough hook for those big baits as the same size books between the J hook and the circle hooks differ quit alot.
Is this circle BIG enough for you boys...? ;)


Hahaha, ok which is fair.

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Although I'm not an active catfish hunter on bait (do a lot of lure angling) I'm enjoying the info in the new catfish threads.

Do you guys ever spice up your baits with any dips or sprays?

Know about the dead red spray, but know that Supercast are also bringing out a new range of catfish specific products.

Got this on their Facebook page.

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Keep up the good work.

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Been a bit quiet there kaptein... ;) I have at my recent vaal trip "spiced" my head with cod liver oil and worked a treat.

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F1%hpa%te wrote: Been a bit quiet there kaptein... ;) I have at my recent vaal trip "spiced" my head with cod liver oil and worked a treat.
Ja, I know ...

Except for my monthly artlure leagues, the rest of my fishing sessions are normally very spur of the moment and/or dependent on my wife's ever-fluctuating hormone levels :?

Hoop sy's nie secretly op Sealine nie ...

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kaptein delarey wrote:
F1%hpa%te wrote: Been a bit quiet there kaptein... ;) I have at my recent vaal trip "spiced" my head with cod liver oil and worked a treat.
Ja, I know ...

Except for my monthly artlure leagues, the rest of my fishing sessions are normally very spur of the moment and/or dependent on my wife's ever-fluctuating hormone levels :?

Hoop sy's nie secretly op Sealine nie ...

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ek sit met dieselfde probleem, gaan kyk maar, dis volmaan as hulle so raak...:shock:

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So by the look of things we have established that with fish heads we use two types of hooks namely circle hooks and J-hooks. We use either one hook or combine it with another with bigger baits. Both have there strengths and weaknesses. And we rig them either through the flesh or as a hair rig. By the sound of it circle hooks are preferred with the single hook and smaller bait rigs whereby the J-hooks come more in to play with the two hook rigs and the bigger baits. Also it seems that the rigging of the hooks seems to change when moving over to the bigger baits.

My question now is can we combine the two hooks on one big bait? How will this influence how you set the hooks? Kap or no kap? Does the mechanics of such a rig really alter the way you would normally set the hooks? In my opinion not really and I'll explain after a few insets from you guys.

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I would not combine a J-hook and a circle hook on the same bait. Stick to either or. Also when using a circle...stick to one hook! Small baits = circle; Large baits = J-Hooks (1 or 2).

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Drift with j hooks and heads? Who did this without succsess

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Hi I am new to the forum, but cat fishing is one of my favorite pass times and would like to share my 2 cents

I know you are with the dead chickens at the moment but cannot wait to get to the rest. I love fishing for cats and I personally like targeting big cats. As Skuimkop said "emphasize that the way I do things is NOT the alpha and omega of Catfishing" I agree, each person has his own way. I am also no pro on the subject but love catching big cats.

First of all I believe that our catfish/barbel is the ultimate predatory fish of our fresh waters but also a scavenger.

Here is the way I prefer doing it.

For big catfish "Go big or go home" is definitely relevant.

 Targeting BIG cat fish in rivers(my favorite), with lots of structure, you need heavy tackle, not only to handle the huge power of these big cats but also to contend with the underwater structure.(Rocks, dead trees etc.)

Equipment:
1. 3m fiberglass boat- to drop baits.
2. Electric motor and battery for above.
3. BIG strong landing net.
4. Half bricks-the ones with the 3 holes.(leaving one hole intact)

Tackle:
1. Rod-for drop baits in river-24 kg solid fiberglass bottom rod.
2. Reel-650 Alvey or 71/2"KP(with brake). The brake is for preventing over runs when the cat takes off with the bait and not to fight the fish. Direct 1 to 1 ratio is perfect for this type of fishing.
3. Line-24kg main line, Bimini twist to make a short double line section, two double figure of 8 knots to join the double 24kg to 36 kg leader of at least 6m.
4. Circle hooks-10 to 14/0 wide gape inline.
5. 7kg dropper line to half brick-tied directly to the 36 kg line(no swivels), allowing it to breakaway(break off), preventing any snags.
6. Sinker-half brick.

Bait:
Bear in mind that a Catfish/barbel can swallow a live bait 20% of its own weight.

I know it is "illegal" to use live bait in some provinces but I will leave this up to you to check the regulations for the area you wish to fish.

The barbel is in my opinion the ultimate freshwater predator in our waters. Therefore my preferred method is live bait and big live baits are the way to go.

1. Live bait-best live bait is a 1kg plus mud fish or a moggol if you don't get a muddy. Carp from 800gr to 2kg are also good. The "stress" signals that a live bait sends out is irresistible to a barbel.
2. Dead mud fish/carp are the next best bait. If the carp is a bit big 3.5-5kg, I cut them from the front of the dorsal fin(just in front of the spike) at an angle down to the poepol(for lack of a better word). This will just open up the stomach cavity letting out the flavors. Always soften the head on these big baits by bashing them (use your brick sinkers)
3. Ox heart and chicken gut sandwich is next on my list. I use minimum a half an ox heart with some chicken guts wrapped on using ghost cotton.

Method:
1. I have explained above how to set up the fishing rig. I do not use any swivels as this increases the amount of knots(which weakens the whole set-up) and also the swivels can get stuck or wedged on structure. So I use just 24kg to 36 kg to big circle hook anchored with a 7kg breakaway to the brick.
2. Rigging the baits. Because I prefer big circle hooks and huge baits I need to keep my baits away from the circle hooks to guarantee good hook-up. I use Dacron for this and make a "bridle" to connect the hook to the bait. I never put the hook through the bait.
Make a loop of Dacron, push a bait needle through the nostrils of the mud fish(in the one, out the other), pull the loop through itself. Fold the part of the loop that is outside over itself to make another loop that you then put over the circle hook. This will keep the hook gape open, stay nicely against your bait fish as the cat swallows the bait and then hook up(every time) as soon as the cat takes off with the bait.
I rig the dead baits in the same way. With the ox heart I will using the bait needle pull the Dacron through the bait more times to make sure it is secured properly before making the loop.
3. Then tie a 500mm piece of 7kg line to 36kg line about a meter back from the hook. Attach the half brick to the other side. This will break away when the cat takes off.
4. Use the boat to go and drop the bait in the right spot.

Pro's:
You only catch big cats

Con's:
Need some specialized equipment(Not necessarily a bad thing as we always need more fishing stuff!!

I have caught barbel on this method all year round. On one trip we caught seven barbel in row using the same muddy. Obviously it was dead after the first three but kept on producing bites.(The cat will spit the bait out once the hook sets and due to the Dacron bridle the bait is often recovered).

I have caught barbel on chicken, platties, worms, chicken livers, small fish heads(all cast baits), you will catch big cats from time to time using these baits and methods. However using large baits guarantees big cats most of the time.

I also catch cats by using the spot and cast method but this calls for other equipment and technique.

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WOW thats some post.Thanks for sharing.

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Hi I am new to the forum, but cat fishing is one of my favorite pass times and would like to share my 2 cents


Welcome to Sealine and very good post for your first post. Hope we will see more of your inputs here at the Catfish section as I can see you are also a 'thinker' if it comes to Catfishing. Nice having you here.

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IWyk wrote:

2. Dead mud fish/carp are the next best bait. If the carp is a bit big 3.5-5kg, I cut them from the front of the dorsal fin(just in front of the spike) at an angle down to the poepol(for lack of a better word). This will just open up the stomach cavity letting out the flavors. Always soften the head on these big baits by bashing them (use your brick sinkers)


Something like this?

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Ending up something like this?

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You can even make small Carp as a big bait by just cutting of the tail. Make a small incision at the stomach area to let those guts juices out. You can insert a 'strip' of floating foam next to the spine whereby you will basically just turn the fish 'right side up' and it will just let your bait 'lie' on the bottom but your bait will be moving with the surrounding water and this will mimick a wounded or dying fish struggling to get of the bottom.

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Because Muddies are a smaller fish species than Carp I rig them also like this when targeting the the big boys. As mentioned before, for smaller baits I would just use the head.

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Here you can see the guts just sticking out.

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Hi, the cuts are perfect and the illustrations well done. Only thing I would not agree with on a bait this size is choice and placement of the hooks. The hooks are too small and I would go with a single circle hook instead of tandem J. More so if I was fishing in a river due to increased chance of fouling.

From your last photo, the back hook is almost not visible and gape on the front hook is almost closed by the bait. For me a single big(at least 14/0) circle hook rigged on a bridle on the front side of the head would be much more successful.
When circle hooks rigged using a dacron bridle(even big ones on big baits), are swallowed with the bait, they will fold against the bait without bothering the barbel when it swallows the bait. When it takes off it will then hook-up in the corner of the mouth every time.

IMHO the way this one is rigged, the barbel will swallow the bait and when it takes off it MAY be hooked and the chances off getting hooked in the gut is also high, which will affect the well being of the barbel when released.  If the barbel spits this bait or if the angler strikes to soon chances are this bait will come out without hooking up properly and you could loose that once in a lifetime 100 pounder.

Part from the hook issue for me this is a nice size bait and well presented will produce a decent size fish.

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I'm quickly going to explain the 'flap' head bait to you guys. Very good bait with lots of success. Basically what you do is to cut the fish in half like IWyk explained and as can be seen in the demonstrations I posted. You the 'fillet' the body part that is still attached to the head cutting out the spine and cuts. You now sitting with a solid head with two 'flaps' attached to the head. Fold these flaps back over the head after you gave the head a good bashing (almost mushi) and secure it in position over the head with ghost cotton. The bashed head will give you that irresistible sent and the 'fillet flaps' will give you the 'body and extra soft meat texture'. You can enhance your bait by spraying it with cod liver on the soft fillets. This method also increases small head bait in size if you want to target the bigger boys.

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If I may use your picture of the mudfish rigged with two J hooks(very well done and I would not be able to replicate it) to explain why I prefer big circle hooks to J hooks for big dead or live baits. As has been mentioned before on this forum a barbel will always swallow a whole(live or dead presented) bait head first. Most of the time a big cat will also "descale" a fish bait before swallowing it. This is when you could see some movement on your line, policeman, alarm, rod tip or some click click coming from your reel, while the cat is busy doing this.
Now if you look at the picture again you will see some issues related to this presentation when taking the above into account.
1. While descaling the bait the cat needs to take it into its mouth from the side and then "chew" it and "roll" it in it's mouth to try and get the scales off. The two J hooks will definitely interfere with this process and could cause the cat to leave the bait or keep on playing with it for a long time and not swallow it. Especially if it gets "zapped" a few times by the hooks in the process.
2. While swallowing the bait (head first), the two hooks will acts as "stoppers" actually making it difficult for the cat to swallow the bait, because they are pointing towards the side the cat will swallow from. (Both the points are facing forward on this presentation).

If using a big circle hook on a bridle- the hook is away from the bait during this descaling, it then moves flat with the bait when swallowed and then when the cat takes off it will slide out until it gets to the corner of the mouth and then VAS!!!

Apologies for "highjacking" your photo but you did it so well it helped me explain some of my circle hook theory. Hope this makes a little bit of sense.

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This thread just keeps getting better, gotta commend you guys on your awesome contributions to edify those of us still looking to break the water with a monster ;-)

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If I may use your picture of the mudfish rigged with two J hooks(very well done and I would not be able to replicate it) to explain why I prefer big circle hooks to J hooks for big dead or live baits. As has been mentioned before on this forum a barbel will always swallow a whole(live or dead presented) bait head first. Most of the time a big cat will also "descale" a fish bait before swallowing it. This is when you could see some movement on your line, policeman, alarm, rod tip or some click click coming from your reel, while the cat is busy doing this.
Now if you look at the picture again you will see some issues related to this presentation when taking the above into account.
1. While descaling the bait the cat needs to take it into its mouth from the side and then "chew" it and "roll" it in it's mouth to try and get the scales off. The two J hooks will definitely interfere with this process and could cause the cat to leave the bait or keep on playing with it for a long time and not swallow it. Especially if it gets "zapped" a few times by the hooks in the process.
2. While swallowing the bait (head first), the two hooks will acts as "stoppers" actually making it difficult for the cat to swallow the bait, because they are pointing towards the side the cat will swallow from. (Both the points are facing forward on this presentation).

If using a big circle hook on a bridle- the hook is away from the bait during this descaling, it then moves flat with the bait when swallowed and then when the cat takes off it will slide out until it gets to the corner of the mouth and then VAS!!!

Apologies for "highjacking" your photo but you did it so well it helped me explain some of my circle hook theory. Hope this makes a little bit of sense.


No problem using what I post here, actually I will encourage it as long as more info can be gathered and we can help fellow anglers.

And a I said before i hope you stick around because i can see you are a thinker. Regarding your post it occurred not long ago to me that we might be getting rigging big baits wrong. Follow this link:

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=90806&forum_id=64&msg=7

So yes I fully agree with you. I would just argue a little bit with you regarding the the J-hooks hooks (more debate). I trust in them and will post my rigs for you for your opinion if you off coarse don't mind. Photo of above carp head rig is actually not mine.

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Agreed on your comments on above link. The more knowledge we share the more we all learn in the end.

I do use them but only on small baits and seldom in tandem(for barbel that is). "Spot and stalk" fishing with a float and small bait would be one place I use them and then also with "blaasop" platanna as bait I may use them.

As for big live and dead baits, I have had such good results with hookup rate and good hook sets using big circles that it will take some convincing to change my opinion regarding them.

As Franktjie mentioned in his recent report-I LOVE BABERS- "I'm very happy with the mustard circle hook performance. 5 takes, 5 fish- all hooked in the corner of their mouths. "

That is what circles where designed to do and what they seem to always do.

Looking forward to your thoughts and techniques on J hooks, though. Always good to see what other anglers use, how and why.

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WOW!!!! Some awesome info!!! Thanks. One thing, using a circle hook with a j hook has mixed results. I believe it the J hook will negatively effect the performance of the circle hook, but I've read in the saltwater section (I think it was a post by Enigma) that they use circles and J hook combos with great success. I suppose the proof of the pudding will be in the eating....

Awesome thread!

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Here is some other nice demonstrations of rigs (thanx dorsal).

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Muddy.

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Here is one I rigged.

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Note how proud my J-hooks stand.

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Very nice Riaan, do you de-scale the fish before you cast?

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Looking very good. For me I would make the bridle on the first two a little bit longer, this may improve hook-up rate. On the bottom two I would prefer to rig the hooks pointing the other way around but that is just my opinion. They are nice and proud and should hook up well if the cat swallows the bait.

When using dead fish baits I prefer to de-scale the baits. Doing this before cutting them is much easier.

All the rigs I see here make we want to go and fish, will have to make a plan.

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Sight fishing/hunting for barbel using a casting float rig.
First time I used this technique at an exclusive fly-fishing venue for yellow fish on the Vaal . We were wading in the water moving up-stream fly fishing for yellows. Close to lunch time and heading back to the vehicle I found a nice quit back water/eddie. Suddenly I spotted barbel surfacing (gulping) in this back water. I tied on a half chicken fly and proceeded to beat the water for more than an hour without success. (Trying all the barbel flies I had). We headed back to the vehicle for lunch.
I never go fishing without a rod I can use for barbel. The morning when the person I was fishing with (a seriously ethical fly fisherman), picked me up and saw me loading an Exage 10ft casting rod into his vehicle, he just shook his head.
The only meat bait I could find where some skinless chicken breast the Toppies wife had packed in for lunch (cholesterol free!!).  He again just shook his head when I took this rig out and was more concerned that we may get kicked out as it was a fly fishing only venue. After lunch I rigged up and again we went wading. I ended up catching 7 barbel from this eddie before I ran out of chicken fillets.
Since then I have used this technique with success on many occasions. This method gives you another tool in the catfish arsenal and actually works very well. Especially when things are a bit slow and during the day or when the cats are in general, less active.
Here is a quick overview of how I go about this:
Equipment:
1.       Wading boots (felt on the soles) if you going to wade the rocks in the river-otherwise you will not have any shins left. Don’t try diving booties, they don’t work)
2.       When wading minimize what you need to tag along as you will need to keep your balance. If starting out you could use a wading stick. Tie a string to it so you can clip to your belt otherwise it will get lost. This will help you keep your balance until you get use to this,
3.       Long nose to remove hooks.
4.       River: Small fibreglass boat with trawling motor-I use a 3m fibreglass job-for rivers
5.       Dam: Big boat for dams.
6.       Landing net if fishing from the boat.
Tackle:
1.       Rod: For wading or stalking from the bank-8ft or 10ft Shimano Exage(old model) or equivalent.  From the boat the 8ft.
2.       Reel: On the 8ft I use a Penn Sargus 6000 and on the 10ft a Penn Sargus 8000.
3.       Line: If fishing in dams with not so many snags/structure (Boat or bank) braid 50-80 lb could work. River with lots of snags/structure I prefer mono. Up to you on breaking strain but I use about 25-30lb on the 8ft outfit and 30-40lb on the 10ft. Distance is not an issue here as your casts in general will not be long.
4.       Rig:  Main line, Bimini twist to make a short double line section, two double figure of 8 knots to join the double mainline to leader (1/3 to double the mainline breaking strain as an estimate for the leader). So 15kg mainline to 24kg leader. No leader can also work if mainline is strong enough.
5.       When using braid I don’t use the Bimini knot to the leader, some other knot. I cannot remember the name now.
6.       Adjustable float fitted about .5 to 1m from hook.
7.       Hooks: One of the few instances where I would use J hooks is here, however I still prefer a bridled circle hook.
8.       Float: Large enough to float the bait you will be using. Older shad top bung type floats work well. Just make sure to remove the clips/rings and drill a hole through the centre to pass the line through. Big Styrofoam floats also work but take a hammering from this type of fishing.
9.       The float has two jobs in this presentation; float the bait (depth control) and pop/vibrate-attraction.
Bait:
7.       Here the presentation of softer bait is beneficial as you will be throwing baits at the cat when it is at or close to the surface. You want the cat to grab and swallow the bait in one go as opposed to toying, de scaling and taking time to swallowing it as would be the case when a large ground or live bait is used from the side.
8.       Good baits to use would be fillets with the skin on and scales removed (karp, muddie, barbel, kurper etc.). Cut into a nice thick long strip. Match the size of the bait to your rig as you need to cast it. No need for super long cast, accuracy is more important.
9.       Plattie(alive), just hook through one boud/thigh with J hook. Don’t inject with air just as is.
10.   OX heart strip.
11.   With this type of fishing we will be targeting or using the predatory side of the cat fish as opposed to the scavenger side to our benefit. The same as what artlure anglers would do basically, only difference is we use bait. Therefore no need for juicy or smelly baits. We need bait we can present close to the feeding or surfacing cat and draw his attention. When we use large dead ground baits we target the scavenger characteristics of the cat.
12.   The bait needs to be able to stand up to cast and retrieve, so too soft bait like liver will obviously not work.
13.   When wading the river I pre make baits with bridles as you don’t want to fool around trying to make a bridle bait in the river. Carry with you what you anticipate using. Method:
You have to look for the catfish. They like hanging around gully’s, back waters, eddies, behind large rocks, under trees where birds (cormorants, finches, vink nests etc.) are sitting. Any places where the water is not moving too fast and food may gather. In dams this could be deeper holes, inlets etc. Basically move around (slowly and quietly) and look for them. Soon you will see where a cat comes up, takes a gulp and goes down again. If in reach cast, if not stalk closer. Often you will see the cat moving slowly in one direction, you can then cast in front of him in the direction his is going. As soon as he surfaces cast directly at the spot or just in front. Let the bait settle. If nothing happens give the rod a tug. You just want to”pop” the float and not pull the bait. This is irresistible for the cat and will call him to the bait resulting in a strike.
Don’t forget the barbel is first and foremost a predator. So as soon as this bait hits the water close enough to the cat, the vibrations of the bait hitting the water will trigger a strike almost immediately. If not the resulting “popping” with the float will. If you have no strike after a few minutes retrieve the bait (unless when using the plattie you can leave it a bit longer) and get ready for the next cast as the cat may be moving in a certain direction.
The 7 cats I mentioned caught in the start where all together in one back eddie, this seemed to make them more aggressive and attack the presented bait more vigorously. 
This method is a more active way for us to target cats and is indeed an exciting way to do so. So next time you are out there fishing for barbel and the conventional way is a bit slow or you are bored waiting for the big cats to pick up your bait. Try this rig/method and go and hunt down a big cat!!
 I guarantee you will also be hooked.
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Guy's apologies for the format, I typed it in Word and copy and pasted, but obviously somthing went wrong. Will have to work on that!stpime2

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IWyk wrote:
On the bottom two I would prefer to rig the hooks pointing the other way around but that is just my opinion. They are nice and proud and should hook up well if the cat swallows the bait.

When using dead fish baits I prefer to de-scale the baits. Doing this before cutting them is much easier.



Fully agree with you. Those pics was taken before I was thinking of changing the hook direction on those big baits.

Follow this YouTube link below where I demonstrate that my hooks won't fall flat against the bait by using Super J-hooks (because of there curve) of Team Catfish and to make use of a toothpick.

https://www.google.co.za/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=o217VLHMJMiP7AbvmYCgDA&url=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Do2YrGPyCeRs&ved=0CCUQtwIwAA&usg=AFQjCNFU2hFpCH9ZWOx1NZBuJrQli-Lydw&sig2=1hJ_gTVemD99T4IHl0Toqg

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AYOBA! wrote:
Very nice Riaan, do you de-scale the fish before you cast?

I do now.

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AYOBA! wrote:
Very nice Riaan, do you de-scale the fish before you cast?

I do now.

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AYOBA! wrote:
Very nice Riaan, do you de-scale the fish before you cast?

I do now.