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 Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2014 07:23 pm
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PatrickC wrote:
Whaler wrote: PatrickC wrote:
Darius, give us your 10c on the topic...

I'm too embarrassed bud! According to experts here the reel I use is for cat fish, the rod I use is too soft!:shock: I' m starting to think all the fish I caught were just luck...or stupid fish?


:hyst: Pity you didnt know that before you caught those fish :)

What knot do you use for joining braid mainline to braid leader?



I use the Bimini twist on the main line with a 4 loop figure eight knot between the two, I tried all the fancy knots but they failed on some of the smarter (heavier) fish I hooked, I use .80 big catch leader, not a very high breaking strain but I found the thicker braid handled better in the bricks.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2014 07:53 pm
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Thought i would email Alan and ask him some advise on the grinders for our style of fishing..

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Hello Zayne

Love your country. A surprisingly large number of my readers come from
SA, and can't wait to visit it one day and catch a few.

Thanks for the kind words and glad you liked the review.

The Lethal 100 is an amazing value for offshore fishing, but your
particular type of fishing clashes with one of its shortcomings. The
unsatisfactory line lay makes it not a good casting reel. I would
recommend the Spheros SW, or the Saragosas SW if you need more drag.

All the best

Alan

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 Posted: Thu Oct 9th, 2014 09:13 pm
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Darius, give us your 10c on the topic...

I'm too embarrassed bud! According to experts here the reel I use is for cat fish, the rod I use is too soft!:shock: I' m starting to think all the fish I caught were just luck...or stupid fish?


some guys have all the luck . Lol

Recently got myself a bigger grinder setup aswell . So far so good

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 10:09 am
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Zayne wrote: Thought i would email Alan and ask him some advise on the grinders for our style of fishing..

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Hello Zayne

Love your country. A surprisingly large number of my readers come from
SA, and can't wait to visit it one day and catch a few.

Thanks for the kind words and glad you liked the review.

The Lethal 100 is an amazing value for offshore fishing, but your
particular type of fishing clashes with one of its shortcomings. The
unsatisfactory line lay makes it not a good casting reel. I would
recommend the Spheros SW, or the Saragosas SW if you need more drag.

All the best

Alan

Good info!!!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 10:34 am
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Whaler wrote:
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Kenty wrote: Noweeds wrote:
I hate golf... But bear with me.
A particular golfer might be able to drive the ball like a machine but hates putting. However you WILL NOT find a golfer who does not have a putter in his bag.
The point of the story is that if you are still arguing about only using one or the other, I'm afraid you have missed the point. The angler who has learned to use all the tools available when they are necessary WILL fish you under the table on the day. There is a time and place for multipliers and mono and one for grinders and braid, just as there is one for two speed reels and 100lb braid mainlines. It's simple. You can become comfortable with the myriad of tools available today to give yourself the best chance of hooking a fish, or you can sit on your little moral island of 'i only use this or only use that ' and watch as the anglers who are willing to be versatile give you the finger!
AND..then with all due respect...I compete with myself and the sea and the kobbie who is willing to play at that time...Sooo...I dont really care if you fish me under the table...BUT ..HEY thats me....BUT...also dont want to start a stupid argy bargy over nonsense.....no matter the application as long as one enjoys our wonderful coast line ....I for one ...find a coffee very awkward to use...BUT then again Ive only ever used multipliers for a hundred years...Fishing...is very unique in a way...that you DONT have to compete OR use the latest gizmo on the market to be able to test your mettle against nature and its wonders...and sometimes that competion starts WAY before the okies actually get a lure/bait into the water....;)...BUT...in recent years coffees have allowed people who found multipliers difficult to use can now also enjoy the fruits of our coastline and its bounty....

Im not fishing competatively against anyone but myself at the moment. However i still would like to afford myself the best chance of catching fish on every outing.
There are days when conditions are unfishable with mono.....fact......when you can still operate with braid!
Dont forget there was a time when mono was the latest gismo.......


I don't think Kenty has caught on to the mono thing yet Greg, I heard he still uses flax line that he weaves him self...:?
((goodp_:hyst::hyst::hyst::lol:1

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 11:39 am
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And when the tree huggers take over the world and ban the use of synthetic braid and nylon cos they are not biodegradable, we will have to go back to using organic flax line:?

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 11:48 am
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Grinder fishing is awesome, the direct feel of everything is just great! So what braid are you guys using? Feedback on different brands will be awesome. I've been using Goosen, HMP and Powerpro, I've had good results with all of them. On another note, everybody complains on how expensive proper surf grinders are, I tell you what, I've been using the Okuma Salina 2 16000, it punches way out of its price range, and has proper cranking power to and a dual drag stack, only thing that needs to be done on the reel is to add carbontex, then I'm really sure the reel will last a lifetime!

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 01:06 pm
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And when the tree huggers take over the world and ban the use of synthetic braid and nylon cos they are not biodegradable, we will have to go back to using organic flax line:?
_seal1__seal1_((goodp_:hyst::hyst:

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 Posted: Fri Oct 10th, 2014 11:22 pm
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Nemesis wrote:
Grinder fishing is awesome, the direct feel of everything is just great! So what braid are you guys using? Feedback on different brands will be awesome. I've been using Goosen, HMP and Powerpro, I've had good results with all of them. On another note, everybody complains on how expensive proper surf grinders are, I tell you what, I've been using the Okuma Salina 2 16000, it punches way out of its price range, and has proper cranking power to and a dual drag stack, only thing that needs to be done on the reel is to add carbontex, then I'm really sure the reel will last a lifetime!

I like!

Shimanos are overpriced. End of story!

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 Posted: Sun Oct 12th, 2014 08:37 am
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I got myself this . Its the 6000 spooled with 20pd fireline and backing . Used it twice now and really impressed . Just need sumn big to pull

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Yes Shimano's are expensive but then again try find a Salina Schematic or spares and then look for a 10 year old Shimano's schematics and buy spares...... that's art of the reason.....

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Guides for Braid......

Everyone seems to think Braid Guides are guides that won't be grooved / cut by Braid

WRONG

There are very few, if any used on Surf rods that will be cut by braid.

The thing is a Guide is not just a Guide and guide requirements for braid differ from guides required for nylon.

The flow of braid through the guides in a cast differs to the flow of mono and therefor a different guide layout and frame is required to get the best out of braid.

Zero stretch in braid means it leaves the reel differently requiring a different guide for optimum performance.

Braid lasts a long time on a reel requiring far less respooling than nylon, as a result it gets damaged a lot more by inferior guides.

Braid is much less abrasion resistant than Nylon and as a result a poor guide will damage your Braid's surface more, stripping it of it's protective resin coating and doing micro damage to it's fibers with each and every retrieve.

Fuji NOG / NLG type rings do not get gouged by Braid but with continued use it dulls and essentially forms a micro sandpaper surface, eventually fraying the line.

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 Posted: Mon Oct 13th, 2014 10:13 am
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So Craig do you own any big grinders?

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The fact is the WRONG Guides:

Cause line wraps (Fraps) when casting with braid

Cause a loss of potential casting distance

Abrades your Braid resulting in drastic loss in strength

Strips the braid of it's resin protective coating allowing it to hold water making it heavier an poorer casting.

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This is a "Revolution"in Rock and Surf but all the LESSONS and MISTAKES have already been made.

1. Heavy braid application and power fishing by Jigging and Popping Anglers.

2. Long rods for casting by Freshwater anglers.

So with a bit of listening and research into all the lessons learn't on throwing big lures/baits.

Pulling hard on braid

Tying the right connections

Maximising casting with braid and minimising time wasted by cast offs and untangling wind knots

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Reel posistion.

The LOW reel position should be around 7-10cm higher up the rod than when using a Multiplier........

WHY

Your multiplier is above the rod and closer to you.

The Grinder is below the rod and further away and using a 20'000SW it is also on a long shaft with a long handle taking the handle further away from you when winding.

This effectively closes shoulders making a long fight arduous

The reel is also now much closer to the water and if you are knee deep in the surf the reel will be submerged to much of the time.

10cm up your shoulders are more relaxed and full rotation of the grinder is easier.

Instead of being in the water it will now only be splashed.

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dswart wrote:
So Craig do you own any big grinders?

Ecooda Hornet 20'000 x 2

Colmic Harrier 14'000 x 1

Ultegra XSB 14'000

Speros 14'000

Been using Grinders to fish shark for my European customers since 2007

Been using an 8oz with the Spheros and Braid since 2005 for casting carp heads to catch Orange and Vaal river Catfish. My PB of 37.5kg was on a 6oz with a head bait same or bigger than a tail head.

Been building Grinder rods for Salt (Popping) and Freshwater since 1995 and regular Grinder eds rods from as early as 2004.

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Craig sjoe some of that names I will have to google...

 

Which reels do you use for the shark fishing?

What must one look out for in a grinder rod apart from the eyes

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Biggest myth in Grinder rods is that the rod must be SOFT..... Bull

If you are a shore angler you want the best possible distance out of the rod, your drag can compensate for the lack of stretch in the Braid.

The best measure of what rod will be the best is the Rod you would use with a multiplier for that application. However build the rod optimised for the Grinder.

If your go to tail head rod with your Trini 30 is a 8oz T53 then that should be your Grinder rod for a tail head.

My clients favourites grinder rods are

60-100-430SS
80-100-430SS
430/7+1 Super Mandrel
Blue Marlin P3 Grinder (7oz) AKA P7

Most converted to Grinder

Technium Medium
Assassin Medium

My personal favourite is Sensation Rugged 4-7oz (ed) and 7-9oz which handles a tail head and 6oz (4.2m) The only thing that counts against it is the weight but it's plus is casting distance, thick walled robustness.

Heaviest Surf Grinder Rod built is an Absolute Shark (4m 15oz rod)

Most used guides is the Fuji Low Rider (Hybrid with Alconite)

Alternative is the K Series (Low)

I personally and almost exclusively full mono leaders (knotted to 1mm and Windons to 1.4mm) so use low rider setup Alconites and have no problem throwing with them.

Distance difference between 150lbs Braid leader and 1mm Mono....... Go measure before you comment...

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Thanks for the detailed feedback...

 

 

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