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 Posted: Wed Aug 13th, 2014 08:28 pm
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Good day guys.

With the weather changing for the better and with spring approaching I thought it would be appropriate if we could start discussing pre-spring and spring tactics.

This is what we know:
-the water temperature is rising
-the Cats will get more active
-they're metabolism will pick up drastically so they will consume more food
-there appetites will be big and they will be hungry
-the Cats will go the extra mile so to speak to find more food
-everything around the water will pick up with intensity and volume like: plant growth, insects, small mammals, reptiles and small birds
-rain is coming
-the wind blows a little bit more than usual during pre-spring in Gauteng
-there spawning is expected to start a little bit later during this period.

This would be my tactics for pre-springs:
-I would use smaller baits with smaller hooks and thinner lines on lighter tackle
-I would try to get a huge variety of natural baits such as: grasshoppers, crickets, earthworms, cockroaches, snails, miswurms, platannas (small), small 'rou' kuikens (not day old chicks for pre-spring), day old chicks for Spring, dop kuikens (chicks still in the shell), bugs (sorry guys don't know there names but I'll see if I can find a pic), wasps, maggots, boiled goose/wild bird eggs and very small bait fish.
-I would also make use of longer and more movable rigs and I would make use of floating foam baits more than usual for that extra buoyancy
-I would make more use of colours as well for example heatshrinks over the floating foam on the hooks
-I will fish short distances close to the vegetation near the bank
-I will pick shallow waters were temperatures would be higher
-I will target the Cats from early morning till late afternoon but I won't use above techniques during night time
-I will make use of small hair rigs that is preferrably buoyant or 'critically balanced'
- during full Spring I will make use of earthworms, snails, miswurms, rotten fish heads and fillet and I will slowly move over to the bigger tackle and bigger baits

This is just my opinion, so what is your guys opinions and techniques that you would make use of during this time?

Last edited on Thu Aug 14th, 2014 09:23 am by Skuimkop

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 Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2014 11:28 am
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Yes , fully agree with your thinking and tactics lets see how it goes

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You said the fish would be hungry so why not put out big baits?

Fist size baits close to the banks or reeds?

I like to keep it simple if you know what that dam prefers stick to it, like kraaipoort cats only take carp as bait, the rivers here only birds, so ja that's what ill do just change to floating or bottom baits

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Nice post Skuimpie, but way to complicated for me...

Personally: A big 10/0 through a muddie head, or "chicken bomb" close to some structure.

I like to keep it simple, if the cats are hungry they will take anything on offer, the bigger the better.

my 2c...


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 Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2014 04:27 pm
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...forgot about MarvelousMark's hair rig, that is as complicated as I would go.

and Skuim, I would pay good money to watch you put a couple of wasps on your rig...

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 Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2014 07:41 pm
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Right, just picked up a calcutta 400 in pristine condition for R500 so if them cats know what I know they will get the hell out of the water and beg for mercy!!! :)

Anyhow, I fish a lot of smaller venues early on in the year when the cats are preoccupied  with spawning...and there is only one way for me...Artlure!!! A nice shiny paddletail on a 1/4oz jighead is da bomb!

I have noted from previous seasons that at my small local venue bait this early in the season does not work great...

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 Posted: Fri Aug 15th, 2014 11:12 pm
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@ Skuimkop I'd like to see this rig " I will make use of small hair rigs that is preferably buoyant or 'critically balanced' "

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On Vaal river barble is active. Last weekend we had 6 in 3-7 kg range.
We managed to catch only one muddy and on that Muddy we caught all of them.
4 on the head and 2 on the filet . Water was 13 C .
On a fillet taken much much longer. Head worked by far better.
Four weeks ago on same place we managed 3  in 5-8 kg range while water was only 11C -
Depth on that place was 4-5 m
All of them was caught  in a mid day . Mornings (8-10)  was blank and we fished till 21:00 and nothing after 17:00 - bit strange
It looks like they are not in hibernation at all if you hit the spot where they are.
What we noticed it takes them long to start dragging - swallow bait after many short pulls that sometime lasted even 10min


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 Posted: Mon Aug 18th, 2014 12:29 pm
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My session yesterday:

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=93848&forum_id=64&jump_to=1255964#p1255964

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D5 wrote:
On Vaal river barble is active. Last weekend we had 6 in 3-7 kg range.
We managed to catch only one muddy and on that Muddy we caught all of them.
4 on the head and 2 on the filet . Water was 13 C .
On a fillet taken much much longer. Head worked by far better.
Four weeks ago on same place we managed 3  in 5-8 kg range while water was only 11C -
Depth on that place was 4-5 m
All of them was caught  in a mid day . Mornings (8-10)  was blank and we fished till 21:00 and nothing after 17:00 - bit strange
It looks like they are not in hibernation at all if you hit the spot where they are.
What we noticed it takes them long to start dragging - swallow bait after many short pulls that sometime lasted even 10min




I will be at the Vaal river this weekend , will give it a bash

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Do you guys know if they are active on the Vaaldam yet? Going to a place near Oranjeville this Weekend.

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Baie goeie post Riaan
Ek hou baie van hoe jy dink dis hoekom jy baie sukses het. Dink soos die vis. Ja maklik om te praat maar dis hoe n hengelaar deesdae moet hengel.
Ek sal soos jy dit gestel het ook so benader.
Uitstekende benadering wat jy het.
Onthou net 1 ding  baie keer werk die dinge nie soos ons beplan en as niks werk bly by basics. Die ou raad wat ek het en ook altyd op 1 stok laai is viskop op glysinker en naby enige struktuur sal altyd vir jou sukses beteken.
Partykeer kap die kop so bietjie pap sommer met klip, anderkere verkies baber dit net so hard en nie gekap.Ek dink dis maar hoe hul eetpatroon verskil maar gewoontlik sal hul enige vleisaas verorber.

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Krugel wrote: Do you guys know if they are active on the Vaaldam yet? Going to a place near Oranjeville this Weekend.
I can tell you from past years . I fish TAGO that is close to Oranjeville and will compare to Vaal River place that is 20 km pass Bothaville.

On Vaal river barbel is more active on lower water temperature than on Vaal Dam. I know when water gets above 15 C on Vaal Dam you start to get decent amount of them.
Now I would say you should try different places like Skuimkop suggests ( Change if you don't get bite in 1- 1.5hr)  if you have the boat to take bait also very far where water is deeper.

We did not have much success on Vaal dam when water was around 11-13C.

The fresh muddy head would be the right bait.
I noticed in cold water that when that blood gets washed away from muddy head - that head is no longer a good bait anymore, I think barbel is bit lazy and don't swim much around but when he smells blood close by that gets him to move.

So I would agree that rotten fish head would be also great but how do you get it to that stage. We struggled to catch mud fish or for matter any small carp for bait too. I would suggest that you take at least some chicken liver as backup.
If you can catch any larger crab - that is also great bait for them - brake all legs and hook it on

Let us know how it went
same for you Antjar

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 Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2014 11:09 am
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Dankie Ouens.

My Pel bou naby Oranjeville en is al n Maand besig daar. Stokke is permanent in die water. Die Babers was baie stil. Eergisteraand die eerste run gekry op n Karp kop maar het hom verloor.

Hy het my vanmore laat weet hy het gisteraand een van 9 Kg op karpkop gekry so dit lyk my hulle word wakker.

Van vandag af begin hy voerplek maak. Al die klein karpies ens gaan geslag word en met n tou aan n bouy met n Anker geryg word. Die water is so ses meter diep, 100 Meter van die kant. Soek daai Bus.

Ek kan net elke tweede naweek gaan, maar as ek gaan,gaan ek groot!

Wil die naweek Livebait probeer soos Skuimkop my gewys het!

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Has anyone got any pre spring fish? If so tell me how please. Share the story lets build a data base

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My friend Dave got another one of 13.5 Kg this morning on Carp Head.

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My friend Dave got another one of 13.5 Kg this morning on Carp Head.

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Vaal dam?

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Dit wil vir ons die tyd van die jaar voorkom, as die babers aktief begin vreet asof hulle gulsig en half roekeloos as ek dit so kan stel al die bogenoemde "vreemde" baits begin optel. Ek wil amper sê hulle is nie picky nie. Dis hoekom ek sê ek sal nie nou groot baits gebruik nie want die geleentheid is daar om baie babers op ligte gerei te vang en jy staan nog steeds die kans om 'n groot baber te skraap. Maar in die aande sal ek nogsteeds my groot Karp koppe uitsit.

Interessante verskynsel wat ek opgetel het is dat as jy bietjie Search op Google van groot babers wat die tyd van die jaar gevang word is dit nogal oplettend hoeveel van hulle bv op swart krieke gevang word. Lyk dus soos 'n natuurlike "verskynsel", lol. Maar ernstig gaan research dit bietjie op die net en veral die forums.

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