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 Posted: Wed Oct 30th, 2013 08:19 am
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That's good news Jb2. Hope they do not turn their attention to that resource later on. Maybe I'm too cynical but this government...eish! you never know.

Hi JPC

I am about as cynical as they come so I also look at these sorts of things.

Everyone is taking a quota cut except the small scale communities in remoter coastal areas.

That makes me cynical enough.

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I don't agree that its only in the remote coastal dorpies. Hout bay has a couple of projects on the go and the poaching is blatant.see pic below.

The other day whilst docking, we saw a boat coming in overloaded with fish. When we accused the skipper for fishing in the reserve, his response was "well where 'they' want me to fish there is no fish".

I understand times are tough, and people will do what ever it takes to put food on the plate, wine in the bottle and/or crosses in the block, but to wipe out a partially renewable/sustainable resource to achieve that is not going to help anyone in the long run.

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Ok people... this is where we need you to get involved:
Please send a personal email saying how the closure of area 7 (West Coast) or the decrease in the crayfish season will effect you and the people around you. Let your voice be heard!
The other part is for each person to get 5 other people to send emails too, this is crucial as we need to indicate in mass that we are unhappy with what they are planning on doing! Then ask those 5 people to get 5 other people each to send an email out, pay it forward guys!
Please guys do this!! It's time to make a difference!! It will have a huge affect of the socio-economics of the coastal areas of the Northern and Western Cape. Remember that politicians are concerned about economic impacts and job creation, so bear that in mind in your emails
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minister@daff.gov.za; DennisF@daff.gov.za; DesmondS@daff.gov.za; DesmondS@nda.agric.za;
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hindle@mweb.co.za; sybillah@daff.gov.za; COSMIN@daff.gov.za; PalesaM@daff.gov.za; minister@daff.gov.za; RhodaM@daff.gov.za; reneeT@daff.gov.za; RiaanH@nda.agric.za; StephenL@nda.agric.za; mlungisi.johnson@cloud1.com; ansteyn@parliament.gov.za; enyalungu@parliament.gov.za; lgaehler@parliament.gov.za; mjohnson@parliament.gov.za; mphaliso@parliament.gov.za; nbhanga@parliament.gov.za; nmtwala@parliament.gov.za; pvandalen@parliament.gov.za; rcebekhulu@parliament.gov.za; sabram@parliament.gov.za; gqamlana@vodamail.co.za; nbhanga@gmail.com; pietervandalen@hotmail.com; admin1@ifp.co.za; admin2@ifp.co.za; akakaza@parliament.gov.za; bmakhubu@parliament.gov.za; imbenyane@parliament.gov.za; mbdlamini@parliament.gov.za; ndiya@parliament.gov.za; nginindza@parliament.gov.za; nqwabe@parliament.gov.za; ntom@parliament.gov.za; phbonkolo@parliament.gov.za; rstander@parliament.gov.za; anett@xsinet.co.za;


Here is my email below, please don't copy and paste but use this as a rough guideline:
I am a recreational diver of WCRL and will be severely affected by the proposal to close sector 7 and the reduction in the recreational season. I am not against this reduction – in fact, I fully support it because our stocks are collapsing.However, I really believe there should be a more equitable share in the reduction between the commercial and recreational sectors.

Please be aware that recreational fishing is the biggest money turning sport into the economy and by reducing the TAC of the recreational catcher you will severely affect the economy in our coastal towns that relied on tourism derived from the recreational WCRL season. Many businesses will suffer (shops in the local towns, B&B’s, Camp sites, Petrol stations, restaurants, fishing shops) as people will just not go to the towns.The decision to reduce the recreational season by more than 50% is a serious mistake and will affect thousands of people with regards to job creation and employment! The recreational sector is an ally in the upliftment of the small coastal towns that rely so heavily on tourism.

The recreational sector also gets such a small percentage of the total TAC and shouldn’t be victimised as it’s the only sector that truly represents the South African people.I completely understand that we need to be conserving our resource but we should look at the other sectors who are getting more than the majority of the TAC.

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I had a conversation with a recreational WCRL fisherman last weekend and we were discussing the changes to the WCRL of 25 days and he stated that the Government has now made him into a criminal too, shocked I asked him to elaborate and he said that from now on he will be buying WCRL from the poachers at Hout Bay and other places which got me thinking that perhaps this new legislation will make more Crayfish fishing places like Paternoster.

By "Paternoster" he meant people will simply look to purchase illegally caught WCRL from the so called poachers, the price in the shop is rediculous for locals to afford so what other option is there. He went on further to explain that he was not a wealthy person, but likes to fish at Cape Point Reserve and his costs have now escalated, the 25 days given may result into maybe half of those being actually fishable weather and some days he may be working, but all in all the cost of catching the Crayfish once you add everything up, it is not really worth it for him and he enjoys to eat Crayfish and sees it as his right and I agree with him.

A recreational WCRL permit affords an opportunity to a more diverse variety of people from all over the country from all creeds and colours the ability to catch Crayfish, whereas the subsistence fisherman only really represent one sector of the population and a rather small one at that. If the inshore TAC needed to be reduced why was only the recreational sector targeted?

Furthermore the recreational sector not only represents the country as a whole it also supports local industry and it has been proven worldwide that recreational fishing puts far more into the economy that the commercial fishing industry.

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http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=87842&forum_id=1

BTTB some good information in your posts as always. Perhaps the guys can use some of it in their emails.

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Marthin wrote: http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=87842&forum_id=1

BTTB some good information in your posts as always. Perhaps the guys can use some of it in their emails.
Thanks Marthin.

I don't even eat Crayfish, but I see a problem coming for all of us, the authorities feel it is OK to cut the recreational fisherman whenever they see fit, their excuse that people's livelihoods depends on taking our cut of the pie is a weak argument and needs to be challenged.

That 150Kg of crayfish will not sustain a family of people for a year, if anything it may give false hope to people who may have rather done better by joining another industry like the building industry and learning how to become an artisan and not join the fishing industry which is a hard life.
What this 150Kg will do is create more poachers as once the 150Kg is caught and the money is spent they will poach to sustain themselves.

More harm is done to the crayfish stocks with the habit of breaking the heads off and disposing them at sea by poachers, any old fisherman will tell you that you never throw the heads in the sea where you catch them. Imagine what a heap of old crayfish heads on land would smell like to us, the same applies below the water, just we cannot smell it.

The recreational fishing industry is more or less self regulating, the subsistence fisherman have proven themselves time and time again to be poachers, yet it is the recreational industry that gets the chop.

Stop poaching, stop the de-heading of Crayfish at sea and you will see that the stocks will improve on their own, enough for everyone to share.
This business of taking from one to give to another is a common South African failing these days.

Tomorrow the commercial fisherman will come out and say the recreational fisherman are limiting their ability to catch Snoek and Yellowtail, if they have not already and there will be nobody from the recreational community there to defend us, the authorities will hear their claims and with no opposing arguments and their biased ways they will simply cut our quotas as they see fit.

Time to take these guys to task, there is tens of millions of Rands invested in boats and equipment in the recreational sector with shops and support industries depending on us for their livelihoods.

The more things change in South Africa, the more they stay the same.

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Pearls of wisdom... I have seen papers about plans for substinence fishermen as well as what is in mind for small scale fisheries that will scare the pants off most recreationals.

For example, let's say we decide to complain as recreationals that the commercial catches in false bay of smooth hound is leading to our catches going down (as we often do on sealine).

Should your small scale/substinence and even commercial fishermen then come with a counter claim that catches are definately going down, DAFF can easily say we are not allowed to target smooth hounds anymore.

They are busy doing it with Kreef, have already done it with abalone and i have NO DOUBT within the next 5 years will do so with certain shark as well as kob. Taking the enire recreational TAC away and giving it to small scale.

The other alternative is closing certain areas completely to recreationals and only opening them for small scale activity. For example closing the melkbos slip area for recreational fishing and only allowing the treknetter to trek there.

Dire straits if recreationals dont 1. clean up our act, and 2. stand together.

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I see court action pending.

The problem however is Government just amends laws to smooth their road of objectives going forward. Their objective is to give to small scale fisherman come hell or high water and because the recreational fisherman aren't even mentioned in the legislation they need not even consider our wishes.

I have seen the fishing industry change completely in my lifetime, people that had now have nothing, people that had nothing now have it all or steal it all.

Section 33 of our Constitution allows us the right to justice in administrative action by the Government and a Constitution that enshrines Public Participation.

I envisage that the Western Cape will become a "Paternoster" type of smuggling arrangement of Crayfish and other species in a short space of time, the writing is on the wall, the authorities allow it to happen, many officials are involved.

The Governments inaction of curbing the smuggling of Crayfish, Abalone and other species has contributed to the decline in the stocks, it also says a lot in regards to Government's so called concern over conservation. The recreational fisherman, a self regulating body of fisherman, have not overfished Crayfish, it is the very people the Government are now entitling that are the culprits, the smugglers or poachers whatever you want to call them, they are the ones taking out more than they are allowed. There is enough proof, the facts speak for themselves, Government has condoned poaching and by their inaction they have created a population of poachers, crooked officials and citizens who are too scared to report these people for fear of their own lives being threatened.

It is not a healthy situation, this TAC is a lot of bullshit when it comes to Crayfish, it is nothing other than the cockroach of the sea and abalone are like the snails of the ocean, they will keep bouncing back no matter how hard you fish them.

It is possible the authorities approve of this "Paternoster" way of community orientated fishing for WCRL, but because it is illegal they say nothing, but their actions or rather inactions speaks louder than words as they condone it.

Guys, today it is WCRL, tomorrow Yellowtail or Snoek, beware, take action now, make our voices heard.


 

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Did as you suggested and also sent on to my parents in WC for distribution to their contacts etc. Already got one response! Maybe they will be discussing our issue in the corridors at least..

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any further news... been a bit quiet.. I thought there was going to be a decision made on the 30th last month?

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any further news... been a bit quiet.. I thought there was going to be a decision made on the 30th last month?

Hi Fishin

Expect an announcement later today.

I am not expecting good news.

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MEDIA STATEMENT

6 November 2013

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WEST COAST ROCK LOBSTER TOTAL ALLOWABLE CATCH (TAC) ANNOUNCED


The Department of Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries (DAFF) has announced the TAC for the West Coast Rock Lobster (WCRL) 2013/2014 fishing season today, Wednesday, 6 November 2013. The global WCRL TAC for the fishing season is set at 2 167.06 tons.

Speaking at a media briefing earlier today the Deputy Director-General: Fisheries Management (Acting) Desmond Stevens, reasserted the DAFF’s commitment to the implementation of the WCRL operational management plan aimed at the recovery of the resource.

“Noting the 2012 Status of the South African Marine Fishery Resources report which indicates that WCRL is showing signs of recovery, the Department, under the leadership- and with full support -of Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson, remains steadfast in our unwavering commitment to manage South African Fishery resources in ecologically sound manner based on proven scientific principles. We are also committed to contribute in rebuilding our coastal communities through their daily struggles in making dignified livelihoods through fishing”, Stevens said.

The Department will achieve this by balancing the diverse and sometimes contradictory interests of different users of the country’s marine resources, such as the west coast rock lobster resource. Over the last few months the Department endeavoured to restore predictability in its policy making and allocation of fishery resources regime Stevens continues.

The department and the all relevant fishery stakeholders have collectively developed the WCRL Operational Management Plan (OMP) with a clear accumulative recovery target of 35% for West Coast Rock Lobster by 2021. “We are determined to achieve this target to ensure the sustainability of this important fishery sector for the benefit of both present and future generations.
Through sound scientific and management practises we have therefore set the global TAC at 2 167.06 tons for this 2013/2014 season in support of the recovery target. In the difficult economic circumstances and the many challenges faced, this decision by the department to pursue the recovery target is welcomed by WWF and carries the unanimous support of all the WCRL user sectors,” Stevens explained.

The global TAC for the previous season was set at 2426tons.

The apportionment of the WCRL TAC for the season has been determined following an extensive consultation process with all the affected and relevant sub-sectors in the WCRL sector. Numerous consultations were held with the sub-sectors which include the commercial off-shore, the commercial nearshore, the subsistence (small-scale/interim relief), and the recreational fishing sub-sectors. These consultations were done individually as well as collectively, and also included several written representations.

“This was not any easy task and the department believes the following apportionment is the most equitable compromise it could reach.

The TAC apportioned to the commercial offshore sub-sector is set at 1 356.56 tons and for the commercial nearshore sub-sector it is set at 451 tons. The TAC apportioned for the subsistence (small-scale/interim relief) sub-sector, is set at 276 tons (138kg per fisher).

Explaining the rationale for the apportionment, Stevens said ‘the TAC apportionment for the nearshore commercial has been kept at same level as the previous season. The TAC apportionment for the offshore commercial has been set at between 12-15% lower than the previous season. The TAC apportionment for the subsistence (small-scale/interim relief) has been set at 276 tons. During the past five years the fishers had been steadily receiving a smaller proportion per individual. The original allocation was 320kg per fisher, then 167kg and currently the apportionment is 138kg per fisher, which represents a reduction of 43.13%. It must be noted that these three sub-sectors are the cornerstone of creating jobs and livelihoods in the west coast rock lobster fishing sector of our fishing economy”.

The apportionment for the west coast rock lobster recreational fishing sub-sector remains unchanged at four west coast rock lobsters per person per day for the duration of the fishing season. The effort or the number of fishing days for the 2013/2014 recreational fishing season, has been determined at twenty-six days. The 2013/2014 west coast rock lobster recreational fishing season opens on 15th of November 2013 and closes on the 21st of April 2014. Fishing will be allowed every day of the week from 15 November 2013 to 17 November 2013. No fishing will be allowed from 18 November 2013 to 13 December 2013. Fishing will be allowed every day of the week from 14 December 2013 to 1 January 2014. No fishing will be allowed from 2 January 2014 to 17 April 2014. Fishing will be allowed on public holidays from 18 April 2014 to 21 April 2014.

The size restriction remains at 80mm carapace length.
Recreational fishing permits will only be issued to persons above the age of 12 years.
Recreational permit-holders collecting and landing of west coast rock lobster may do so only between 08h00 – 16h00. The rock lobsters must be landed by 16:00.
Any west coast rock lobster caught, collected or transported shall be kept in a whole state. West coast rock lobster caught with a recreational permit may not be sold by any person.

Recreational west coast rock lobster permits are obtainable at the Post Office at a cost of R92, 00 per permit and are valid for the entire recreational fishing season. The permit fees remain unchanged.

Enquiries and comments from recreational fishers can be directed to RECRFISH@nda.agric.za a dedicated email address created by the Department specifically for the purposes of improved communications with the recreational fishing sector.

The Department remains committed to the recovery plan and has never veered therefrom. Neither does the Department has any such intentions. ‘We believe the use of the resource should be in the interest of sustainable development which recognizes the environment, people, and economics’, asserted Deputy Director-General, Desmond Stevens.


Contact Carol Moses on 021 4023448
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What gets up my nose the most is the BLATANT LIE!!

"The apportionment for the west coast rock lobster recreational fishing sub-sector remains unchanged "

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What gets up my nose the most is the BLATANT LIE!!

"The apportionment for the west coast rock lobster recreational fishing sub-sector remains unchanged "


Hi Ruhan

You have the email address to ask these questions.

If you do not get an adequate reply then please raise it with the other staff members.

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Hi Ruhan

You have the email address to ask these questions.

If you do not get an adequate reply then please raise it with the other staff members.

I have sent 4 already and will be following up. I really think this is something that will be worth getting into the media somehow as this really is a blatant lie and I am sure a reporter somewhere will be able to take this further....at least raise a bit of public interest. Not so much from a sympathy point of view but exposing the lie...anyone know someone?

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I saw something in regards to Crayfish on a street pole this morning, Cape Times I believe.

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