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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2013 10:55 am
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Yeah the DAFF, is trying to keep this all very low profile, and get it passed before anyone kicks up a stir.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2013 11:21 am
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I sms 'd cape talk, they contacted me. they will hopefully get someone info on air. just heard - they have mentioned it so send them emails / sms's and sure they will help.....

sms to 31567 or email the presenters

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Great stuff!

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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2013 04:16 pm
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Whenever there is a thread about a commercial fishery hauling in loads of fish on the beach and we voice our concerns about it, we get hit by a few that state "as recreational fishermen, we do more damage than those guys". See how dangerous statements like that are? We need to stand together and protect our rights. Clearly protecting these commercial fisheries will ultimately be at our own expense. I will rather oppose these commercials and protect our rights, you can't play both fields.

Now some will see why I feel the way I do about some of the 'traditional fisheries' in our country.

BTW - good work Barryfish

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Whenever there is a thread about a commercial fishery hauling in loads of fish on the beach and we voice our concerns about it, we get hit by a few that state "as recreational fishermen, we do more damage than those guys". See how dangerous statements like that are? We need to stand together and protect our rights. Clearly protecting these commercial fisheries will ultimately be at our own expense. I will rather oppose these commercials and protect our rights, you can't play both fields.

Now some will see why I feel the way I do about some of the 'traditional fisheries' in our country.

BTW - good work Barryfish


Hi RobinF

That was obviously aimed at me since I say that all the time.

Please don't start.

Kreef is a TAC controlled species.

Take it easy Robin. Just take it easy.

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jb2 wrote: RobinF wrote:
Whenever there is a thread about a commercial fishery hauling in loads of fish on the beach and we voice our concerns about it, we get hit by a few that state "as recreational fishermen, we do more damage than those guys". See how dangerous statements like that are? We need to stand together and protect our rights. Clearly protecting these commercial fisheries will ultimately be at our own expense. I will rather oppose these commercials and protect our rights, you can't play both fields.

Now some will see why I feel the way I do about some of the 'traditional fisheries' in our country.

BTW - good work Barryfish


Hi RobinF

That was obviously aimed at me since I say that all the time.

Please don't start.

Kreef is a TAC controlled species.

Take it easy Robin. Just take it easy.

 :doh I was not think about you at all, there are number of guys that say that and it does not reflect well on us as recreational fishermen. (Not just on the forum) It is vital to stand together to protect our rights. I won't take it easy where we are all affected by unilateral small minded decisions. Thanks, but no thanks, I won't quiet down over this.

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jb2 wrote: RobinF wrote:
Whenever there is a thread about a commercial fishery hauling in loads of fish on the beach and we voice our concerns about it, we get hit by a few that state "as recreational fishermen, we do more damage than those guys". See how dangerous statements like that are? We need to stand together and protect our rights. Clearly protecting these commercial fisheries will ultimately be at our own expense. I will rather oppose these commercials and protect our rights, you can't play both fields.

Now some will see why I feel the way I do about some of the 'traditional fisheries' in our country.

BTW - good work Barryfish


Hi RobinF

That was obviously aimed at me since I say that all the time.

Please don't start.

Kreef is a TAC controlled species.

Take it easy Robin. Just take it easy.

 :doh I was not think about you at all, there are number of guys that say that and it does not reflect well on us as recreational fishermen. (Not just on the forum) It is vital to stand together to protect our rights. I won't take it easy where we are all affected by unilateral small minded decisions. Thanks, but no thanks, I won't quiet down over this.


Hi

I assumed that you were referring to me.

The ref to the TAC controlled species means that we are not in the same league as where there is mechanised fishing in the same species.

I have feeling that the horse has bolted.

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I think it's clear that these guys did this 'under the table' without any consultation with any recreational representatives. My biggest concern is:

1) Is this what we can expect in the future?
2) Why do we pay fishing Licenses if we have no say?
3) How soon will it be before they drop another bomb on the recreational sector?


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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2013 05:22 pm
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RobinF wrote:
I think it's clear that these guys did this 'under the table' without any consultation with any recreational representatives. My biggest concern is:

1) Is this what we can expect in the future?
2) Why do we pay fishing Licenses if we have no say?
3) How soon will it be before they drop another bomb on the recreational sector?




1) Expect more of the same and worse.
2) No sector gets to ring fence its financial contributions (Think about the levies from the trawl and pilchard industries.

3) There is a suggested "basket of species" for the small scale sector that would put your hair on end.

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jb2 wrote: RobinF wrote:
I think it's clear that these guys did this 'under the table' without any consultation with any recreational representatives. My biggest concern is:

1) Is this what we can expect in the future?
2) Why do we pay fishing Licenses if we have no say?
3) How soon will it be before they drop another bomb on the recreational sector?




1) Expect more of the same and worse.
2) No sector gets to ring fence its financial contributions (Think about the levies from the trawl and pilchard industries.

3) There is a suggested "basket of species" for the small scale sector that would put your hair on end.

I've seen this, and have to agree...

He he - Nice to see you two chatting:SSS

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 Posted: Thu Oct 24th, 2013 05:38 pm
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Koper wrote:
jb2 wrote: RobinF wrote:
I think it's clear that these guys did this 'under the table' without any consultation with any recreational representatives. My biggest concern is:

1) Is this what we can expect in the future?
2) Why do we pay fishing Licenses if we have no say?
3) How soon will it be before they drop another bomb on the recreational sector?




Hi Koper

Could you post the excel and give people an idea of what we are looking at.

1) Expect more of the same and worse.
2) No sector gets to ring fence its financial contributions (Think about the levies from the trawl and pilchard industries.

3) There is a suggested "basket of species" for the small scale sector that would put your hair on end.

I've seen this, and have to agree...

He he - Nice to see you two chatting:SSS

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 Posted: Fri Oct 25th, 2013 02:55 pm
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I have a feeling that if it wasn't for the permit fees DAFF collect, the recreational sector may have been excluded already from WCRL and other species some time ago?
DAFF came up with 25 days, just enough to attract people to buy their permits without closing that source of revenue off completely.

Everyone has a right to enjoy the fruits of the ocean, I wonder if this is not a Constitutional issue?

In my case I don't even like Crayfish, I think it is overrated and very pricey, I would prefer a piece of fresh fried fish any day of the week to Crayfish.
However that shouldn’t be the reason to not make comment, as today it is cutting WCRL, tomorrow it is Snoek and Yellowtail, this is not the end of the story. I see the people in yellow taking lots of data from the recreational fisherman at Dassen this year, where no data was collected from the commercials at all. Without knowing the reason why, perhaps the commercials send their catch data off another way, but it does look suspicious.

Yesterday I was chatting with my neighbour at Kleinbaai and he was telling me about the fantastic Crayfish season they had at Gansbaai and surrounds a few years back, every net was full, even nets with no bait had Crayfish in. Anyway the Government gave out lots of permits to small scale fisherman, who rented boats and caught Crayfish. I am not sure who bought the stuff, but apparently at first they brought the whole crayfish in and disposed of the bodies somewhere on a big heap in the town which had then to be buried at the town dump. As all these Crayfish heads caused a big stink in the town the authorities gave these quota holders the right to dump the heads at sea, today there is hardly any Crayfish left according to my neighbour. It wasn't very clever dumping the heads at sea, any old fisherman will tell you that the Crayfish will move elsewhere and they did. One must not forget that we may not be able to smell underwater, but sea living creatures can, can you imagine what a heap of old Crayfish heads must smell like.
More damage was done to the small scale fisherman with that move than any recreational could have done in a lifetime and these so called fisherman did not even have the savvy to realise what they were doing to their own resource and livelihood.

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 Posted: Tue Oct 29th, 2013 10:01 am
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Hi Fishin

Hope for the best but expect the worst.

There are two main issues. The total days and the closure of Area 7 (Melkbos to Yzerfontein.

We will have to wait and see.

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If i may ask.. what happened / resulted in John Yeld being asked to leave?

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Coming in from the side - joining the ruck from the side - I cannot help but wonder what role our government's new best friend - China - has on these issues. We all know what they want, natural resources which they themselves have depleted... shrewd lot them Chinas..

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I don't know how true it is but there are rumours flying around that the legislation was passed today.

Can anyone confirm this?

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ThefishinMagician wrote:
If i may ask.. what happened / resulted in John Yeld being asked to leave?

Hi Fishin

I didn't go to that meeting.

Many meetings are held in a kind of "off the record" sort of way. This might seem insidious but it helps people to say things or think out loud without being hit with it later.

I am not sure what happened at the meeting at the aquarium though.

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Coming in from the side - joining the ruck from the side - I cannot help but wonder what role our government's new best friend - China - has on these issues. We all know what they want, natural resources which they themselves have depleted... shrewd lot them Chinas..

Hi JPC

The Chinese will lose out on this TAC allocation. Their market prefers a redder kreef that comes from deeper waters.

Inshore kreef is more brown and kelp coloured.

The difference is slight but the buyers notice.

The offshore commercial sector took a big reduction.

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That's good news Jb2. Hope they do not turn their attention to that resource later on. Maybe I'm too cynical but this government...eish! you never know.

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