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 Posted: Sat Aug 24th, 2013 06:02 pm
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OK that explains why they don't make the spool longer and smaller by placing the drag below.

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 Posted: Sat Aug 24th, 2013 06:04 pm
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Thanks Enigma, not sure how I missed your reply in post #29.

When I first started using a grinder a year ago I closed the bail arm by hand and looked down at the same time checking that the braid was in the right position, this theoretically should sort the problem out 100%.

There is however that small little thing called "Yellow Fever" and everything in theory goes right out of the window. To have a break 70 meters down the braid isn't funny as you are forced to take the second rod and reel on standby or change the spool, in a school of fish there just isn't time to fiddle so it can be very annoying.

I suppose with time will come experience and these little niggles will iron themselves out.

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 Posted: Sat Aug 24th, 2013 07:20 pm
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I hear you BTTB and having fished Bellow, Rooikrantz and Fish Hoek for many years for tail, I specifically added this sentence:

"This is not always possible or desirable when lure fishing especially when casting to a school of gamefish smashing bait on the surface"

When they only come round once or twice in an 8 hour session you can't be fiddling with broken or tangled line when everyone is pulling fish.

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Hi Enigma

A few questions regarding braid.

Is there a huge difference between the wind resistance of braid and nylon of lets say similar diameters?

Can average casting distance be increased using braid as apposed to nylon fishing lines?

Whe using braid for shore based angling what would you recommend A short or long leader length?

Thank you in advance for your reply.

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For equal diameters nylon will cast better than nylon for weight and drag. But conversely.... 0.40mm nylon is 20lbs and 0.40mm Whiplash is 100lbs.

So 20lbs mono is 0.40mm and 20lbs braid is 0.18mm which WILL cast futher than the mono.

Conversely 50lbs braids cast well but many Rock and Surf Anglers turn around and say they would rather use their multipliers because they cast their Trini 20 with 0.45mm futher, if they used the Braid equivalent of the 0.40mm ie 30lbs then the braid casts as far if not further.
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Leaders, the use, type off and lengths differs vastly.

Using light braid in open water then a short leader of preferrably fluorocarbon to hide the mainline is used.

Using my 10'6" DC I use a 0.50_0.80mm full length nylon leader of the rocks as it affords a lot of protection up against the rocks.

From the beach I use the same rod with 20lbs braid with a full length 50lbs leader capped with a 1m, 0.60mm fluoro leader.

If you rod is built for full length leaders then you can use them. If for example it is built with the microwave guides do not use a full length mono leader or the knot will break the small casting concept guides.

Zero stretch in braid makes for heartbstopping lure fishing ecause its so sensitive you can almost feel the fish looking at the lure. You can feel evrey single tap of a bite on bait, the diameter means much less influence Of currents and wash so you can use a much smaller weight and finer presentation so with 0.45mm mono to get the rig to stick in the surf you may need a 5oz wire grapnel whereas with 30lbs Jigman or HMP you can get it to hold with a 3oz Weedeater weight

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BTTB

This may help!

http://surfishmexico.pbworks.com/w/page/19215713/All%20about%20wind%20knots

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hey, guys i live in Australia and most of the surf fishing i do over here is with spinning gear, i have probably missed something on one of the posts somehwere ( i skim read on my lunch break:P ) but the biggest issue with wind knots i seem to have had was when using the flatter braids or bulky leader knots. The biggest revelation for me was learning the "fg knot" it is one of the thinnest knots i have ever come accross and retains basically 100% of the lines strength if tied properly... the greatest thing is it allows me to fish 10 meters of 60lb mono shock leader on top of my 20pound braid and still cast it through my lowrider fuji guides with no issues! also as mentioned shimanos spool lip is awesome!! and if you havent tried a surfcast style spool like the saltiga surf spinners or shimao ultegras you should definitely give it a go!

love the thread will be following it closely!

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Interesting reading. Have to agree with Enigma, overfilling a spinning reel spool kills casting performance. In the past I like so many many South African fisher-folk crammed ever last centimetre of line onto my reel believing I would need it some day... Since reducing the capacity by purposfully under filling, my casting performance has increased. Hand closing of bail, once it becomes habit, 100% removes the chances of loose coils forming. I have also developed a habit of slowing the line down with a finger-tip as my lure/sinker approaches the end of the cast - guarantees that the line is under tension for the first turn of the handle.

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Tackle-holic wrote:
Interesting reading. Have to agree with Enigma, overfilling a spinning reel spool kills casting performance. In the past I like so many many South African fisher-folk crammed ever last centimetre of line onto my reel believing I would need it some day... Since reducing the capacity by purposfully under filling, my casting performance has increased. Hand closing of bail, once it becomes habit, 100% removes the chances of loose coils forming. I have also developed a habit of slowing the line down with a finger-tip as my lure/sinker approaches the end of the cast - guarantees that the line is under tension for the first turn of the handle.

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Here's another awesome youtube clip, great tip on cutting down windknots.

This is why Saltiga's and Stella's don't have automatic bail closing,

http://youtu.be/a1EdrTvTKsQ

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Decent explanation. There have been times with little or no wind that my braid knots and I now better understand the process. Thanks for the info.

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for light spinning I have found the loomis and franklin microwave guide drop shot rods to be great I cant remember getting any wind knots since i started using these rods. I use this on 8FT with an RTX 40s reel and 9ft with the Raw 40 reel both have great line lay

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Fuji's KR Concept guides have same effect, just better....

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I think same on actual performance but on line wear, longevity of frame and ring then KR wins every time hands down.....

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All true!
One important performance difference is the flexibility of KR.
Inasmuch Microwave guides are very clever and do boost performance (with the correct line and short leader) their shortcoming is a single set up:
Size 20/7 stripping guide
Size 7 intermediate/transition guide
Size 5 running guides.
No other options.


KR is a system, not a one size fits all kit.

Stripping guides: 16, 20 and 25 (high)
1st Intermediate guide: 12, 10, 8 (high)
2nd Intermediate guide: 8, 7, 6 (medium)
3rd intermediate guide: 7, 6, 5.5 (low)
Running guides: 10, 8, 7, 6, 5.5, 4

Can build a high performance stick from ultra light to shore game rods capable of taming yellowtail

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((goodp_well done, Thank you for this information.

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Dis n nice tread die.
Die groot problem egter is nie net die braid nie, ook nie net die katrol nie en ook nie net die stok nie!!!!

dit help veel dat jy n katrol koop wat se line laying briljant is met die gekose braid, en dan kom die stok en die guides is nie reg nie!

het nou die dag na die Penn regiment gekyk.
dis n baie mooi ligte stok 1-4 onse, maar ek is seker die eerste guide is te naby aan die katrol.
julle manne wat stoke bou sal weet wat die spasieering moet wees.

die groot vraag is egter, wanneer julle n stok bou, kan julle guide spasieering so maak dat jy ander katrolle ook op die stok kan gebruik?

die grootste aspek wanneer n mens n spinning kombinasie het, dan moet hy reg balanseer!
regte stok met guide spacing!
ragte katrol met behoorlike line laying
regte dikte braid op die katrol!

so laat ons hoor

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willem wikkel spies wrote:
Craig

Dis n nice thread die.

Die groot problem egter is nie net die braid nie, ook nie net die katrol nie en ook nie net die stok nie!!!! Correct but the largest single contributing factor is the reel and how it is filled. This is why the thread focusses on the reel

dit help veel dat jy n katrol koop wat se line laying briljant is met die gekose braid, en dan kom die stok en die guides is nie reg nie! This will possibly cause line wraps on the guides or poor casting distance but not wind knots etc, the focus of the thread

het nou die dag na die Penn regiment gekyk.
dis n baie mooi ligte stok 1-4 onse, maar ek is seker die eerste guide is te naby aan die katrol.

julle manne wat stoke bou sal weet wat die spasieering moet wees.
It's space properly for braid spinning as they are using the Fuji KR concept, the one I saw would be fine for Shimmie size 4000-6000 reels although most likely designed for a 5000 size reel - http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=90983&forum_id=25&highlight=kr+concept

die groot vraag is egter, wanneer julle n stok bou, kan julle guide spasieering so maak dat jy ander katrolle ook op die stok kan gebruik? Consider this.... 9' 1-4oz rod, reel size to be used, one would assume that the reel would be a 4000-5000 and given that in rod building Stripper guide spacing and choke points are determined by the spool diameter and reel height and these are close enough to not mess with the reel to rod performance.

Yes now putting a 14000 Ultegra on the rod will limit the performance of the rod and in this case cause the line to overflow over the guides.


die grootste aspek wanneer n mens n spinning kombinasie het, dan moet hy reg balanseer!
regte stok met guide spacing!http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=90983&forum_id=25&highlight=kr+concept
ragte katrol met behoorlike line laying [colour=red]If you can afford to spin with braid then you will afford to have any of the reels capable of braid casting[/colour]

regte dikte braid op die katrol!Right reel with Braid..... diameter won't make a difference in terms of knots and line flow, it'll just influence distance of the casts as too thick then the reel empties to quickly and the braid hits the spool, the coil and choke point will be in the same place irrespective of thickness.

Physical weight of the braid vs the rigs being cast will prevent drastically restrict casting performance


so laat ons hoor

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