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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 08:05 am
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Bern I hear a lot of what youbare saying and in principle agree with a lot of it but Don't condone breaking any laws.

To indicate 2 matters we are currently dealing with are as a result of mans greed and bloodlust.

Both came about with bowfishermen who were left to hunt grass carp and carp on a private water and bowfishermen hunting the jumping asian carp in the Olifants system.

Problem 1. They started selling the carp and grass carp. Then in high season the carp went to dep water so wholesale slaughter of large and smallmouth yellowfish and breeding stock of kuper (up to 60 x 1kg+ a day) to keep up with their greed.

Problem 2: bowfishermen began shooting crocodiles for sport and sale.

So no I Don't condone the laws being flaunted as they are there for a reason and need to be complied with and the management of resources needs to be done scientifically and in a controlled manner.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 08:18 am
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Bern I hear a lot of what youbare saying and in principle agree with a lot of it but Don't condone breaking any laws.

To indicate 2 matters we are currently dealing with are as a result of mans greed and bloodlust.

Both came about with bowfishermen who were left to hunt grass carp and carp on a private water and bowfishermen hunting the jumping asian carp in the Olifants system.

Problem 1. They started selling the carp and grass carp. Then in high season the carp went to dep water so wholesale slaughter of large and smallmouth yellowfish and breeding stock of kuper (up to 60 x 1kg+ a day) to keep up with their greed.

Problem 2: bowfishermen began shooting crocodiles for sport and sale.

So no I Don't condone the laws being flaunted as they are there for a reason and need to be complied with and the management of resources needs to be done scientifically and in a controlled manner.

I am with you. I don't condone the flouting of laws either. But it doesn't mean I agree with the law. Even though I have no problem with the spearing of exotics, I don't agree with breaking the law to do it. But I do think that exotics are given a measure of protection that they really shouldn't have- speaking from a purely ecological point of view.

In terms if the spearing of yellows, etc. that boils down to proper management, monitoring and enforcement. But we are miles from that point.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 12:20 pm
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Would tigerfish survive in the Inanda dam? That would be an introduced species I would be interested in.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 02:48 pm
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Would tigerfish survive in the Inanda dam? That would be an introduced species I would be interested in.
Or Zambezis.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 03:06 pm
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Bad luck for you 2 because the dam minimum winter temps drop to low but some hungry Zambies could deter spearfishing activities in the future.

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 Posted: Sun Jul 14th, 2013 03:16 pm
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Bad luck for you 2 because the dam minimum winter temps drop to low but some hungry Zambies could deter spearfishing activities in the future.
Maybe that would solve the dilemma- legalize soaring, but at your own risk!

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 06:24 am
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Amazing how this thread suddenly comes alive, when there is controversy, but very little real spearfishing posts.

The idea that this person was practicing to go spearfishing in the sea is rubbish, If you want to practice to hold your breath, go to the pool, where someone can watch in case you pass out, I am sure that those kwedines with him would not rescue him if something goes wrong.

A chop with a speargun is not a spearfisherman, the same as a guy who is a bubbleblower and decides to illegally shoot fish with SCUBA. He is a bubbleblower with a speargun, not a spearfisherman with SCUBA.

 

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 09:47 am
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I agree Marius, Carl of Mike Randall Plumbers' 'defence' is nothing but a load of rubbish.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 09:50 am
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Mariusvj wrote:
Amazing how this thread suddenly comes alive, when there is controversy, but very little real spearfishing posts.

The idea that this person was practicing to go spearfishing in the sea is rubbish, If you want to practice to hold your breath, go to the pool, where someone can watch in case you pass out, I am sure that those kwedines with him would not rescue him if something goes wrong.

A chop with a speargun is not a spearfisherman, the same as a guy who is a bubbleblower and decides to illegally shoot fish with SCUBA. He is a bubbleblower with a speargun, not a spearfisherman with SCUBA.

 

He must have thought hard to come up with this excuse...

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 10:11 am
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There is a lot that can be debated on this whole subject, but I would like to say that I admire Fishton's guts for approaching, photographing and exposing this whole story. I know what it is like to approach someone breaking conservation laws and try to talk some sense into them. It takes a lot of courage and I salute Fishton for his efforts.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 11:19 am
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Tommo wrote:
There is a lot that can be debated on this whole subject, but I would like to say that I admire Fishton's guts for approaching, photographing and exposing this whole story. I know what it is like to approach someone breaking conservation laws and try to talk some sense into them. It takes a lot of courage and I salute Fishton for his efforts.

X2!!!! We need more Fishton's!

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 Posted: Mon Jul 15th, 2013 12:34 pm
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Thanks Tommo and Rob, but I fear some might argue that one 'Fishton' is enough. ;)

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 Posted: Tue Jul 16th, 2013 08:17 am
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This thread has certainly come alive with what looks like a variety of differing opinions, and I imagine some that have gone unsaid as they dont see any issues with what was being done!
So, what has clearly been established is that laws were broken and the guy should be brought to book.
What has not been cleared up is, should spearing for aliens be allowed? Whether it is to control populations or stop the spread.

Personally I can not see any help in trying to remove bass/carp/trout and numerous other aliens both native and foreign from waters where they are no longer going to cause any detrimental effects. Manage and utilise the resource to to its potential, seems best practice right? Then legislate and limit the new movement of aliens and then in cases where it is actually viable to eliminate the aliens, where they are of no economic or social value and there is a real chance of re-establishing the native populations of aquatic life. This serves to not only meet our conservation bodies goals but also keeps the economic power that is apparent in the people that utilise our inland fisheries in the right place, where their monies might actually be used to do some good.

It is far easier for some poepgat with a bucket to cause massive scale damage to an unimpacted stream system out of spite! Than it is for the same poepgat to go out and hunt fish with a speargun all day in a system that is likely large enough to absorb his efforts.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 16th, 2013 09:30 am
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Fair comment.

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Bern wrote:
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Bern I hear a lot of what youbare saying and in principle agree with a lot of it but Don't condone breaking any laws.

To indicate 2 matters we are currently dealing with are as a result of mans greed and bloodlust.

Both came about with bowfishermen who were left to hunt grass carp and carp on a private water and bowfishermen hunting the jumping asian carp in the Olifants system.

Problem 1. They started selling the carp and grass carp. Then in high season the carp went to dep water so wholesale slaughter of large and smallmouth yellowfish and breeding stock of kuper (up to 60 x 1kg+ a day) to keep up with their greed.

Problem 2: bowfishermen began shooting crocodiles for sport and sale.

So no I Don't condone the laws being flaunted as they are there for a reason and need to be complied with and the management of resources needs to be done scientifically and in a controlled manner.

I am with you. I don't condone the flouting of laws either. But it doesn't mean I agree with the law. Even though I have no problem with the spearing of exotics, I don't agree with breaking the law to do it. But I do think that exotics are given a measure of protection that they really shouldn't have- speaking from a purely ecological point of view.

In terms if the spearing of yellows, etc. that boils down to proper management, monitoring and enforcement. But we are miles from that point.


Hi Bern

Where it comes to removing exotics, one man's poacher is another man's eco-warrior.

The strange thing with exotics is that they are a huge threat to our endemic coastal fish that rely on estuaries.

I would guess that Inanda is closed but I would guess that if they bass are breeding in there then they are able to populate lower reaches of the river system.

We speak a lot about white steenbras, kob, and stump but they need good estuaries.

Bass, carp, tilapia and barbel fishing is bought at the cost of endemics.

I realise that they do support some local tourism but people also pay to go on tours of squalid townships.

Just because something attracts tourists doesn't mean that it is the best state of affairs.

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FISHTON AND YOU ARE THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF PERFECTION! PLEASE TELL ME YOU ARE COMPLETELY INNOCENT ON THE DAM? WERE YOU OR WERE YOU NOT THE PERSON WHO WAS MEANT TO BE MONITORING THE MOVEMENTS ON THE DAM ALL THE TIME AND CONTROLLING IT. IS THIS REALLY NECESSARY???

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Firstly Fishgirl it's bad manners to write in capital letters. The same as shouting. Secondly WHO ARE YOU ?

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Geesh!! Two years later ? :shock:

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