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 Posted: Wed Jun 19th, 2013 06:13 am
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Hi all

How is the garrick and elf fishing in the Kleinmomd and Palmiet rivers outside Cape Town? I read on the net that guys do catch leeries there, but I've never seen any pics to back these claims up.

I would like to explore, with light tackle and some artificials, these two estuary systems along with Blake's Beach and Zandvlei in summer.

Any pointers on which lures to use would also be appreciated.

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 Posted: Thu Jun 20th, 2013 04:26 am
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Hey bud, I've only ever got leeries at palmiet . Mostly on flipper flies but the white storm chug bugs work as do the small chisel nosed plugs.
As for blakes I've only ever fished gt icecreams and halco twisty spoons there. My mate had had some success with red and white halco roosta poppers, iin the 10cm size . Oh and good old toby spoons work well too. Someone Posted that the sardine chugbug works well there too. As for Zandflei I use mainly stickbaits in white or white and olive (mullet) colour. The zara spook is known to do well there . I've also had some success on needle nose plugs there and small spoons skipped on the surfarce . Good luck mate

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Thank you so much for sharing the above info. Added some mana (if it still works) to your account for your trouble. Will definitely try to get those lures you mentioned. Now I can't wait for summer...

Fanx

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Anytime boet.

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Hi all

Is Melkbaai in Strand any good for lure fishing?

Thanks in advance.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2018 05:25 am
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You can fish the stretch from Gordons Bay to Melkbaai for the mentioned species. When you fish this stretch with lures you basically target elf, kob or leeries. I havent had much luck with the leeries, mostly small ones as by catch going for elf. Because it's mostly shallow reef I prefer wider wobble spoons. It's essentially your retrieve speed that makes the difference between the species. Also worth a shot are 4" paddle tails for kob. If you are looking just have fun and not so much numbers a walking topwater also works great on flatter days for elf and od leerie. I have a small 3 inch Zara spook type lure that I fish on a ultra light tackle... lots of fun when the elf are thick. Always try fish on pushing tide.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2018 05:36 am
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Thanks for the tips DJP. I have lures like the ones you mention and will try them out in the warmer months. What is the size of the biggest elf you got there?

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The elf range between 25 and 40cm and if you catch a 45cm plus one it's a good fish. I have caught a couple in the 50cm range(not all on lure though). For elf you only need to fish an hour before and after sunset.

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Hi duckbill
I've got some good sized leeries on spinners & live bait next to the jetty & hotel. Haven't been there in a while but some of my buddies got good fish during the summer.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2018 07:22 am
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Franny that is good to know. What kind of spinners did you get them on? I will try a small toby spoon and my Heddon Zara Spook as advised by DJP.

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We use all kinds of spinners & had great results but if I must choose I'd say the 22 flat spoon & Toby works the best.

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Awesome

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I've always wanted to catch elf on surface lure. What is the 22 flat spoon Franny?

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We don't let our elf get big enough to have topwater smashes..do a search on youtube for "bluefish topwater" and you'll see what shad fishing can be like..

Elf must be of the 1.5 kg class at least to look at a topwater (unless walking the dog slowly in estauries which is a sure bet if elf are around and by catch is leerie and grunter!) and the 5kg class is when they really start looking at topwater like plugs from what I've seen.

Our fishery got stuffed up decades ago with the megashoals of 15-30lb'er (yup they were up to 15kg!) super adults of our countries stock that used to migrate to and live in langebaan, they got netted out in the lagoon and cooked up in giant cauldrons for fish oil for export to UK..You can read about it in the old books. Records of fishing from the rocks in hermanus for one night in early 50's for 15 fisherman, 1500 size cob and geelbek, average a hundred large fish each, and a hundred 7-15lb elf each inbetween the larger cob and bek. The methods were fresh mackerel caught from the same spot in the hours before and drift bait thrown close to the side as casting was not so great in those days. The fisherman who kept the records was the same guy who had the world record for biggest fish from shore for a huge GW caught in hermanus at the whale factory. One can only imagine what a jol we would have with those stocks of fish with todays gear and methods..eish..boggles my mind. Nevermind the fishing records from falsebay and langebaan that I've read..One great book, I've meantioned a few times is Sea angling fishes of the cape by Biden..We should be given a copy when we buy our fishing license so every fisherman/woman can from the get go realise how stuffed up things really are in the modern era..

Stock of elf is slowly on the up and up but the only place where you'll get enough of the big boys for real topwater action is in the southern and eastern cape at certain times of the year at specific spots.. We have gullies where we can reliably go throw a spoon and get good size elf most times if swell is right and water right, 1 kg -3kg and there are holes around where the even bigger guys will patrol if you can reach them with a cast and tides and swell are right and water is right..but for us to get them smashing topwater like they get in the states, we need upwells and whole coastlines stocks to get concentrated into small areas/single spots or into a few gulleys, and then with lots of very large fish toegther in one spot and food competition (small elf eats a few times his body weight in fish daily, large elf eats his body weight in fish daily, an elf will regurgitate his last meal to make space to eat your fresh bait, he is so desperate to eat more), it is game on when that happens and plugs just get smashed left right and centre..But I've only seen that a literal handful of times and it might happen once or twice a year along the coast for an hour or at very few places with a specific geography after specific winds amd weather for the days prior and the sea must be reasonably flat so you can get to where they are..then you might check it out.

Saw a beaut 5kg elf that came out on a pillie this week, more and more blue elf being caught each year, this year was quite decent from the fish I saw, maybe in a few years they will enough for us to get action like they do on the NE coast of the states? There is enough bait in our waters now, sardine stocks up, squid stocks up, mackerel stocks up, lots of anchovies, mullets also getting full up..Now all we need is a few years for the babies now to get to super-size and make more babies and them to grow up and the big elf can be common again.

Last edited on Sat Jul 14th, 2018 11:48 am by Dr halibut hoffman

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It would have been quite an experience hooking one of those big lads on the light tackle, braided lines and lures available to us today. I have seen some big elf coming out at Langebaan (Visklip) that could have been in the 2-4kg class and they already looked like beasts. I wonder if they can still be caught from the side in the Baan. Maybe next time I go there I'll throw a few lures for them.

I found these on Youtube:

https://youtu.be/nMeiwclNUMY

https://youtu.be/9YfYQXocdYI

https://youtu.be/7kEaLCjo4M8

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22 is the size of the lure. Look like this just flat on the one side. They also come in lots of sizes

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Thank you sir.

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