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 Posted: Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 02:06 pm
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roryf wrote: Mariusvj wrote: I dont shoot yellowbellys and broze bream, because of their slow growth rate.
That was the point that I was trying to make.Marlin is more sustainable.I much prefer to shooting fast growing gamefish,wahoo being on the top of the list!

I just need to find my marlin.......with the right rig setup!


I am getting soft in my old age and I don't know if I will shoot a big Iggy, but a big Cracker, no problem.

Let's see what Transkei brings this weekend:wfish

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 Posted: Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 02:20 pm
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sea sick wrote:
wait untill you look in the eyes of the fish when all life is drained from it.
dan praat ons weer.
it's your right to take the shot.
you decide. yes it is nice having a beast next to you.
been there done that.


Agreed, I grew up on a farm located practically on the Limpopo. Due to the distance to Messina we lived of the veld and hunted when needed. Nowadays I think twice before killing a fish or animal as I have seen the death in their eyes to often.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 22nd, 2013 06:48 pm
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I will not target a buffalo with a .22 caliber( it will be ridiculous, en ek is seker te bang gat daarvoor), is this the same with spearfishing?

Dont think this can really be compared to spearfishing a marlin with a high powered spear gun designed to shoot large game fish.

Thats similar to saying a spearo shooting a marling with a 75cm speargun used for shooting galjoen in the kelp.:)

I don't know anyone who has shot and killed a buffalo with a .22 rifle,think they where all killed by the buffalo. There are rifles or larger calibers designed to shoot and kill buffalo which do the job, the same as certain spear guns do the same on larger fish. Point of impact is important just as the type of gun used.

I have been spearing for over 20 years and only once saw a huge marlin at sodwana swimming around our flasher and we did not shoot it.

I also hunt game and have seen the life drain from an animals eyes and its something I take no joy in.
All the game I have shot our family eats.We try to waste nothing.


I personally wont shoot a marlin, its huge,its beautiful and i don't know how many there are left in the sea.

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 Posted: Tue Apr 23rd, 2013 12:53 pm
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DIRKM wrote: fishalitis wrote: its not a crime.

Everyone can make up his own mind.

Its childish to expect the next man to do the same as you would.


Thanks fishalitis for your post -  with respect, however, I do wish to reply.....

I am 50% as much a fisherman as I am a bushveld meat hunter. I'd  rather lower my rifle when a trophy Gemsbok / Kudu / Impala comes my way and just enjoy the view, not even mentioning rhino/elephant passing my way - I make up my own mind, if I can afford it or not.  I have been to enough hunting farms in the last 30 years  where game has been decimated to such a point where advertising your available game stock to keep your numbers in check for hunts are rediculous. Same thing as fishing - promise you success, pay your daily fees, go home empty handed.

My point is, as a sport fisherman / hunter, I envy everybody that has an oppurtunity to land these truly magnificent beasts, be it a shark or billfish - they can be released. Rhino / elephant / lion can not be released when targeted with a Martini Henry 450!

But, I might be killing myself with this re-post, by saying: most people blame the government, previous or current for the the current protection of species.

It ends up with hunter / fisherman making a decision - kill it, enjoy it per view or catch and release. I do not have kids, but damn, I would like to land a big one in 40 years time.

 

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Didn't know guys still hunted with Martini Henry's ??! 


 

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DIRKM wrote: fishalitis wrote: its not a crime.

Everyone can make up his own mind.

Its childish to expect the next man to do the same as you would.


Thanks fishalitis for your post -  with respect, however, I do wish to reply.....

I am 50% as much a fisherman as I am a bushveld meat hunter. I'd  rather lower my rifle when a trophy Gemsbok / Kudu / Impala comes my way and just enjoy the view, not even mentioning rhino/elephant passing my way - I make up my own mind, if I can afford it or not.  I have been to enough hunting farms in the last 30 years  where game has been decimated to such a point where advertising your available game stock to keep your numbers in check for hunts are rediculous. Same thing as fishing - promise you success, pay your daily fees, go home empty handed.

My point is, as a sport fisherman / hunter, I envy everybody that has an oppurtunity to land these truly magnificent beasts, be it a shark or billfish - they can be released. Rhino / elephant / lion can not be released when targeted with a Martini Henry 450!

But, I might be killing myself with this re-post, by saying: most people blame the government, previous or current for the the current protection of species.

It ends up with hunter / fisherman making a decision - kill it, enjoy it per view or catch and release. I do not have kids, but damn, I would like to land a big one in 40 years time.

 

I would like to tr

Didn't know guys still hunted with Martini Henry's ??! 


 

Only when you are lucky enough to get shells, and then get it reloaded if you can not do it yourself. And the you hope you don't shoot 2 buffels with 1 skoot, otherwise gaan jy skuit en betaal. I rate my MH 450 even with my Blue Marlin G3 rod when it comes down to targeting something bigger.

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 Posted: Tue Apr 23rd, 2013 02:32 pm
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Hijacking this post, but Martitni Henry's are way outdated - 1890's and don't know that people still hunted with them. There are bigger and far more powerfull calibres available with far better ballistics. I myself have a Weatherby .460 - probably the most powerfull commercial calibre there is, but then you start going to .577 NE, .700 NE, T-rex etc etc.

Anyway this was about spearfishing a marlin and if you would take the shot, just annoys me when people go off the subject and muddle up their facts on top of it .

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The only way to shoot that marlin with a normal gun is to go for a brain shot.

If you miss, the fish will end up with a headache.

Spearfishing cannot be likened or equated to Bambi bashing where a babalas fat individual bakkie bekruips his prey and shoots it with a high powered rifle at a long distance ( which in the story is always double what it really is ) and all this life going out of the eyes stories. I have never walked in the undersea paddock and marveled at my heard, deciding which prize specimen I want to kill, so there is no bond that forms between myself and the fish on my farm.
Any decent spearo kills the fish in the water while the fight is still very much on the go, with larger fish, they don't die from the shot, you have to subdue them and kill them, unless you get a brain or spine shot and then kill it with a knife or a stringer.

If you dont like the killing of fish, dont get involved in the spearfishing forum, because that is unfortunately what we selectively do.

 

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Mariusvj wrote: The only way to shoot that marlin with a normal gun is to go for a brain shot.

If you miss, the fish will end up with a headache.

Spearfishing cannot be likened or equated to Bambi bashing where a babalas fat individual bakkie bekruips his prey and shoots it with a high powered rifle at a long distance ( which in the story is always double what it really is ) and all this life going out of the eyes stories. I have never walked in the undersea paddock and marveled at my heard, deciding which prize specimen I want to kill, so there is no bond that forms between myself and the fish on my farm.
Any decent spearo kills the fish in the water while the fight is still very much on the go, with larger fish, they don't die from the shot, you have to subdue them and kill them, unless you get a brain or spine shot and then kill it with a knife or a stringer.

If you dont like the killing of fish, dont get involved in the spearfishing forum, because that is unfortunately what we selectively do.

 


:clap12Well said ...... especially the latter. Don't form a bond with any animals I shoot though, unless they're in my freezer. (That's on land and underwater)

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 Posted: Wed Apr 24th, 2013 10:37 am
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sonder enige twyfel moet daai sneller getrek work! Ek wag nog vir my kans!!!

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Gustav Kamfer wrote: sonder enige twyfel moet daai sneller getrek work! Ek wag nog vir my kans!!!

I have no issue with the spearing of a marlin - it's not like it happens every day.  More of them are killed by anglers.

BUT.  This attitude pisses me off.  Basically if its there it must be killed?!  Sonny one day you'll look backj at your life and wonder why you were a chop.

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die enigste "sonny" wat ek sien ou toppie is die weer vandag in kaapstad.
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Gustav Kamfer wrote:
die enigste "sonny" wat ek sien ou toppie is die weer vandag in kaapstad.
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with lots, and lots, and LOTS of float line, big floats and a monster gun.... mmmmm
YIP!

but since i am never geared like that, i probably will never be in a position to go for that marlin.
And hopefully sanity prevails when I do come across a fish like that, and just admire it in the water.

nice picture though.

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Looking at all these posts spearing a marlin is quiet a contentious issue.

From an environmental point of view Sailies for example grow ultra-fast and occur worldwide, some would argue like Dorado just without a bill.

Taking a 5kg Poesies in my mind is far worse than spearing a Sailie. However many would argue that a 5 kg Poensie is legal size and thus nothing wrong with taking it.

Another way of looking at is that the Indian Ocean Black marlin commercial catch is something like 9600 tons a year – which is probably understated and Spearos probably land less than 10 Marlin a year globally all species combined (excluding Sailies)

So when you see that “lucky” spearo with a bill fish don’t get too worked up, it’s not a Rhino. If anything taking one is an ethical issue not an environmental concern. You can’t instil your sense of ethics on every one.

If it makes you guys sleep better at night I’ve seen 2 Black Marlin and 1 Sailie in 20 years of diving and despite my best efforts I never even fired a shot – contrary to popular believe they don’t haphazardly impale themselves on your spear.

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Adrian B wrote: Looking at all these posts spearing a marlin is quiet a contentious issue.

From an environmental point of view Sailies for example grow ultra-fast and occur worldwide, some would argue like Dorado just without a bill.

Taking a 5kg Poesies in my mind is far worse than spearing a Sailie. However many would argue that a 5 kg Poensie is legal size and thus nothing wrong with taking it.

Another way of looking at is that the Indian Ocean Black marlin commercial catch is something like 9600 tons a year – which is probably understated and Spearos probably land less than 10 Marlin a year globally all species combined (excluding Sailies)

So when you see that “lucky” spearo with a bill fish don’t get too worked up, it’s not a Rhino. If anything taking one is an ethical issue not an environmental concern. You can’t instil your sense of ethics on every one.

If it makes you guys sleep better at night I’ve seen 2 Black Marlin and 1 Sailie in 20 years of diving and despite my best efforts I never even fired a shot – contrary to popular believe they don’t haphazardly impale themselves on your spear.
Where can I get those ?:lol:1

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Probably the same amount (my guess) of black marlin get lost than those landed by speros. Mainly due to poor shot placement (taking a shot you shouldn't, because you don't know if you'll ever get the opportunity again) and using an inadequate rig (it's too much effort to dive with the big stuff everyday).

In my opinion if you want to shoot a black, go for it, but go prepared and with a plan. Drift out in the deep with a big rig, most likely the first day you will see nothing, maybe a wahoo or two. Keep filling the fuel tanks and do this every day the water is good, in the end you will get a good shot and land a trophy fish. Don't take chances, these fish will drown you if tangle up.

What rig will you use? I think I have mine sorted..

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New to Sealine, hello all.

This is a question I no longer need to think about. Friday 6th December last year I was on a trip in Sodwana at Rooiwalle (Redsands) and a Marlin swam in on the flasher, I saw it first and dove straight down, it turned away and I swam after it gun pointing, waiting for it to turn just a bit more before I pulled a shot. In a matter of milliseconds the brain computes all the possible outcomes and given the Marlins size I decided against taking the shot. My dive buddy was swimming after me on the surface, Mr Marlin and I at about 10 metres. He told me the marlin was as long as I was from out stretched arms to the end of my fins, Cressi Garra modulars and I am 1,95 m tall, that's around 3.5 metres, we measured.

Why not? Well firstly it was a brand new Salvimar carbon reel gun and I suspect that if I had gotten to hook up the belt reel the weight belt and reel, together with the gun could well have been lost and the Marlin would have probably died later. I doubt that I could have landed that fish given the target area to shoot at from mostly behind. But the real reason was simply what do I do with all that fish? I believe if you kill it you eat it! A Marlin that size is not that great to eat, so my thoughts were to let it be and hopefully roam the oceans and breed lots of Marlin for the future. About 30 minutes later a 37 kg saily swam in on the same flasher and my mate saw him first and he went home on the boat. Great flasher.

Pu$$y, maybe. Would I make the same decision again, absolutely.

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Well done, tell me more about the flasher:wfish

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Flasher is a mirror ball with a plate below also covered in mirrors reflecting light back up to the ball. Mirrors are the same size as a mosaic tile not the very small size as used on the commercially available balls. Ball is the plastic toilet cistern float.

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Thanks, I need a flasher and looking for a design.

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