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 Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 07:04 pm
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Hendre
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Hi guys

I had a chat with one of my friends the other day discussing insurance policies and risk and how they then work out the premiums on the policies. I was made to understand that it is more expensive to insure a fisherman than, for instance, a surfer. The reason for this is that a surfer goes into the sea prepared for that environment (wetsuit,certain levels of fitness and knowledge etc), whereas a fisherman does not. If a fisherman gets swept into the sea, he/she usually have lots of clothes on, probably not such a good swimmer and just mentally not prepared forced into that environment and situation. That is in my opinion why a lot of fisherman drown.

I was a lifesaver in my younger years and rescued many people. Some were just in a bit of trouble while others were near drowning. 99% of these savings would not have been necessary if the people only had the most basic knowledge that I would like to share. So I thought of maybe doing a series on danger situations and how to avoid them, as well as when you ever find yourself in the water- how to get out!

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Scenario 1- Being swept of the rocks by a freak wave

Ok- so there you are fishing alone on the rocks enjoying the scenery, totally at peace doing what you love most in the world. The next moment your eye catches something in front of you and before you can comprehend what is going on, you are klapped by a big wave into the water not knowing which side is up or down and completely disorientated. What to do?

1.       DON”T PANIC! – I believe this is why most people drown. Try work out where you are relative to the rocks as well as the incoming waves.

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2.       Get out of the danger situation! – This will come as completely the opposite of what your instinct is telling you to do, but the easiest and fastest way to get out of immediate danger is to swim into the incoming waves, away from land. If a big wave comes rolling in, swim as deep down as you can and if you strike the bottom (unlikely except if you are very near the side of the rocks or in very shallow water)- hold on to anything your hands can find. Remember that most of a waves energy is in the rolling white water on top. Avoid it at all costs to prevent being slammed into the rocks! After the surge have passed, swim up, get air and prepare to do it all over again. While you are ducking under the waves, also work your way into deeper water. Do this until you are behind the white water.

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3.       Assess your situation and rest.-  Ok- now you are behind the breakers and out of immediate danger. Get rid of any excess clothing and shoes that may be hampering your swimming ability. Start looking around and try to look for places where there is no white water or less white water. If there is a sand beach nearby- perfect! This however is in most cases not likely. Important- There are always options to get out- you just need to look for them!

 

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4.       Get out of the water. – Remember that gully you decided on to land a fish? Or the flattish rock to your left hand side? Look out for potential “safe” places to get out where there is less white water. No place will be completely safe, but you can minimize the risk. Ok- you decided on your point of exit. Start making your way to that point slowly, ALWAYS WITH YOUR FEET IN FRONT OF YOU looking at the exit point. You do not want to hit your head against rocks after coming this far! Use the waves to go nearer- you don’t  need to swim a great deal at this stage. Also always look back at the incoming waves. If you are close to the exit point and you see a big wave coming, you will need to  dive under again. Be patient- the right time will come.

 

Remember that waves come in sets. Wait until there is a lull and swim like mad to get out and onto the rocks. Remember to keep looking back at the sea for when the next set of waves come. If you see you are not going to make it out in time, wait for the wave and jump into and on top of it so that the backwash can take you out to safety again. You will then need to start the whole process again. When you get out – get warm as hypothermia will be a factor and also get some medical attention as I can guarantee scratches and bruises!

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5.       Conclusion. – I have done the above method and steps more times than I care to remember (was part of our training) and out of personal experience I can tell you it is definitely the safest and easiest way to get out.

Let me know what you guys think of these posts and if it is helpful. I will do more safety on sand beaches as well as dangerous beaches and what to look out for in a dangerous beach if there is interest from you guys.

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 Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 07:29 pm
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Excellent post Hendre!Probably nothing will prepare one for when this happens, but as soon as it does and you get over the initial shock, focus on what is said here and just that might already get you through.

Thats the one thing I have learned with our firefighting training is that when you have an idea of what to expect, it makes it a little bit easier to deal with when it happens and gives you the ability to focus on the next steps.

Once again - well done! Have some mana!

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Thanks Tsa!

Very true what you are saying as well! Know the steps and your changes  of getting out improve drastically!

I'm off to Hermanus to go :fishn  big:wfish!

Enjoy the weekend everyone!

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 Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 07:41 pm
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Only a pleasure. You lucky man! Enjoy and watch out for the waves! lol : )

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 Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:08 pm
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shot for that hendre! great stuff, i was a paramedic and i know its hard to do but in a dangerous situation the most important thing to do is remain calm!

so great pearls of wisdom there and keep em coming

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 Posted: Sat Jul 5th, 2008 01:14 pm
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dude please send more posts i work with a youth and this is stuff we can use for them, we also teach the buddy system
some manna for you boet

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Will do! Just need some time as I want to try and do a drawing or two to explain better.

 

Cheers!

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 Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 11:44 am
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great stuff hendre

this shows us what a life saver you really are.

keep up the good work man and may you be blessed for imparting such knowledge.

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Excellent article

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very interesting post indeed. I also did lifesaving but i agree that it's very important to share the knowledge.

what i don't really get is the insurance thing about surfing.

I've surfed for 9+ years and what i found is....no matter how prepared you are, when the ocean has it's own plans for you...that's it.

I've very nearly drowned more times than i care to remember (no matter how good a swimmer you are). It's very difficult to hold your breath for more than 1 minute while you're already tired from paddling and surfing. I can agree when the insurance company might say something like "you've got a bouyant westsuit and surfboard to hold on to while surfing" but all of that is pretty useless when a freakishly big set comes through and you wipeout. Ive been held under the water (feels like a human washing machine) until i've ran out of breath and just as you're about to surface you get sucked down again. So i reckon, insurance guys need to get into some really big waves and then they might realise that surfing could be just as dangerous at times.

just my 2c.

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 Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 04:47 am
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yup! nearly drowned at koelbaai while bodysurfing, trying to fight the backwash.those big dumpers keep you under for a looooong time.

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hey insurance guys know squat

i placed a claim about a wall we put in years ago and the assesor argued with me about the placement of the wall, we had it in accordance with the bylaws and he said for us to be able to claim it must be opposite, needless to say a spoke higher up and four months later the claim was filled

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 Posted: Tue Jul 8th, 2008 12:32 pm
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Hi Guys

The point of the mail was how to get out of a dangerous situation. I merely used the insurance issue as a starting point for why I wrote the email.

I was also a surfer and you must agree that as a surfer you know about currents, how to use it to your advantage, how to duckdive if white water comes rushing towards you and not to mention your surfboard you can use as a floating device.

I also had bad wipeouts where I thought I was going to drown, but it never got life threatening. I must also state that I am not and never was a big wave surfer!

Anyway- whether the insurance statement was true or not, it is an interesting point and the reason for me writing the mails.

From a :raine Cape Town

Hendré

 

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Excellent post. Keep them coming.

Will all stand us in good stead.

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How did I miss this thread? :doh

Great post Hendre!

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