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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 01:26 pm
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Which is more advisable, i dont fish often but i have had more success with using a whole fish for bait.

What is more advisible for the vaaldam, and also what species of fish?

I usually use the whole fish, and pierce the body a few times.

Any advise would be greatly appreciated.

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 Posted: Mon Sep 17th, 2012 02:31 pm
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My preferred bait is a whole fish but with the tail and fins cut off. I also damage the gills with a knife and smash the head to let the extra juices out. For the Vaal I would use Muddies as bait.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 06:22 am
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i saw the following on a sea fishing show which i would like to try this year...

 

take a carp head and wrap it with a fillet of the same carp on one side of the head, inside of the fillet to be on the outside, basicly skin to skin... wrap it with those stretching nylon which the sea guys use... then hook the head normally...

 

like i said, only saw them rigging it like this, still have not tried it myself...

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i saw the following on a sea fishing show which i would like to try this year...

 

take a carp head and wrap it with a fillet of the same carp on one side of the head, inside of the fillet to be on the outside, basicly skin to skin... wrap it with those stretching nylon which the sea guys use... then hook the head normally...

 

like i said, only saw them rigging it like this, still have not tried it myself...


This seems like a good idea.I think you can also wrap the guts for more flavour?

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yes you can...

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Tried it at Krugersdrift dam and works very nice! What i do however is cut the gilplates open and only wrap a fillet with gusts on the one side of the head. I then use a 12/0 sicle hook through both lips to make sure the bait does not fall off when casting. I am useing this bait on competition days when one is not allowed to take ur baits in with a boat ect.

@Gcvanheerden wil jy saam my gaan vis die einde van die maand vir babers? Gedink aan 5 tot 6 Oktober want ek wil deur die nag n paar groot katte sleep?

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Ja dit sal great wees ons kan nader aan die tyd reel waar beplan jy om te vang?

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sorry for hi-jacking the thread,but do you know where you get day olds in bloem cheeta fs?

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 Posted: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 10:00 am
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Gcvanheerden wrote: Ja dit sal great wees ons kan nader aan die tyd reel waar beplan jy om te vang?
Either Krugersdrift waar ek weet ons gaan iets bo 15kg nou kry of n plek by die rietrivier wat ek en van my viende so ruk terug gaan skoonmakk het. Dit is op n boer se plaas 50km buite bloem op die rederburg pad. Ons kan verniet daar hengel maar daar is nog werk om te doen so ek dink Krugersdrif gaan die maklikste wees. Ek sal n kano en my camo 360 vat met fish finder.

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 Posted: Tue Sep 18th, 2012 10:33 am
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Ja that be great we can also go to our place near Lady Brand Id like to target barbel a bit more effectively there.I am gonna do a session there this weekend to experiment with baits.

Last edited on Tue Sep 18th, 2012 10:34 am by Gcvanheerden

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Gcvanheerden wrote: Ja that be great we can also go to our place near Lady Brand Id like to target barbel a bit more effectively there.I am gonna do a session there this weekend to experiment with baits.
Sounds good. Wil nog Christiana ok gaan hengel die somer.

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So waar kry jy dag oud kuikens in bloem cheethafs?

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So waar kry jy dag oud kuikens in bloem cheethafs?

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julle kan dit oor die net bestel by http://www.henkor.co.za courier charges nie te rof nie, bestel sommer n heeele klomp... as julle dit nie daar rond kry nie

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Thanx sal dit onthou! Ek het al by OS du Randt se plaas ok al baie gekry maar hengel nie so baie met kuikens nie.

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Het julle al oit 'n stuk pilchard of makriel probeer? Ons doen dit in die kleinbrak rivier hoog op waar die water vars is. Die babers, en palings kan dit nie los nie!!! Veral nie na jy dit in anchovie olie gedip het nie...

Jy kry ook baie harders daar hoog op in die vars water by ons. Toe gebruik my vriend een wat hy met 'n erdwurm gevang het, hy sny hom in die halfte vir 'n baber en gooi hom dat hy le. Volgende oomblik skree sy stok en iets breek die surface. Toe vang hy 'n bass van net oor die 3kg op 'n halwe harder. Baie weird ne...

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Stapies wrote: Het julle al oit 'n stuk pilchard of makriel probeer? Ons doen dit in die kleinbrak rivier hoog op waar die water vars is. Die babers, en palings kan dit nie los nie!!! Veral nie na jy dit in anchovie olie gedip het nie...

Jy kry ook baie harders daar hoog op in die vars water by ons. Toe gebruik my vriend een wat hy met 'n erdwurm gevang het, hy sny hom in die halfte vir 'n baber en gooi hom dat hy le. Volgende oomblik skree sy stok en iets breek die surface. Toe vang hy 'n bass van net oor die 3kg op 'n halwe harder. Baie weird ne...

Het al hier in die staat getry maar die vis ken dit nie of wil niks weet van dit nie. Wat wel werk is die anchovie olie met vars bloed gemeng en dit in n heel vis te spuit dan maak jy so paar gate in die vis.

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Stapies wrote: Het julle al oit 'n stuk pilchard of makriel probeer? Ons doen dit in die kleinbrak rivier hoog op waar die water vars is. Die babers, en palings kan dit nie los nie!!! Veral nie na jy dit in anchovie olie gedip het nie...

Jy kry ook baie harders daar hoog op in die vars water by ons. Toe gebruik my vriend een wat hy met 'n erdwurm gevang het, hy sny hom in die halfte vir 'n baber en gooi hom dat hy le. Volgende oomblik skree sy stok en iets breek die surface. Toe vang hy 'n bass van net oor die 3kg op 'n halwe harder. Baie weird ne...

Het al hier in die staat getry maar die vis ken dit nie of wil niks weet van dit nie. Wat wel werk is die anchovie olie met vars bloed gemeng en dit in n heel vis te spuit dan maak jy so paar gate in die vis.


Dit weird hoe die vis ander goed sal vat op verskillende plekke. Ons het die pike in Engeland ook op makriel gevang. Ek is meer in die see hengel betrokke en het nog in die goeie ou dae an die platanna en lewendige kurper of karp geglo...lol Maar nou het dinge verander.

Ek moet se die aling byt baie meer aktief op daai aas as babers. Maar die babers vat hom wel baie graag ook. Het 'n paar jaar terug 'n karp op 'n pink prawn gevang wa die sout en vars water meng...

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@ joekin, size the bait for the size fish you want to catch. If there are 20kg plus beast in the water go for skuimkop's whole fish. The only change I would make is to cut out the gill plate on one side of the head, will release a lot more scent into the water. If you are targeting 10kg and up I would use a fish cut in half with the cut made right through the guts. I have had a much higher strike rate on half fish. As to what type of fish to use, try identify what are the most common species in the water. The most abundant fish will be the fish that the cats are feeding on the most and will be your best bait. Carp will always work as does tilapia.

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@ joekin, size the bait for the size fish you want to catch. If there are 20kg plus beast in the water go for skuimkop's whole fish. The only change I would make is to cut out the gill plate on one side of the head, will release a lot more scent into the water. If you are targeting 10kg and up I would use a fish cut in half with the cut made right through the guts. I have had a much higher strike rate on half fish. As to what type of fish to use, try identify what are the most common species in the water. The most abundant fish will be the fish that the cats are feeding on the most and will be your best bait. Carp will always work as does tilapia.

And how about injecting the fish with oxblood dip??

20kg barbel, would a shimano alveo 13" graphite be able to handle that??

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