New Boating Regs

Ancient One

New member
Hi Guys

SAMSA are changing the boating regs - again. They have issued the first draft for comment. There will be further rounds of comment before they are finally settled. Go to http://www.samsa.org and request to get on their mailing list for comments. The more of us that take interest and submit comments on their proposed changes, the better chance there will be of them actually listening to us. That way, WE will be able to influence legislation, instead of having it rammed down our throats.
 

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miles

Sealiner
Hiya

Just curious, what don't you agree with in the amendments?

A bit about SAMSA. They are our regulating maritime authority. Just as our sport grows, their rules and regulations has to evolve, to ensure safety to all the people involved. Looking back, a few years ago, jetski's and kayak's weren't very popular. This has subsequently changed and regulations NEED to be put in place, so as not to endanger anyone.

When-ever a maritime acident occurs and lives are lost, SAMSA launch's an investigation. Based on such and other types of investigation, the mitigating factors, if they were preventable, show's where the laws are lacking and need revision.

Many people complain that the added new regulations means that they have to spend more money on their vessels. Unfortunately, boating is not a cheap sport and what price can you put on somebody's LIFE?? SAMSA know what they're doing, well, most of the time!!

Looking a few years back, SAMSA started requiring floatation certificates. Why? Because, should you capsize or your boat fill up ith water, will YOU and YOUR CREW still be safe? Thats why boats with insufficient floatation must carry life-rafts.

EPRIB's will pretty soon be compulsory on all catagory B boats. I'm actually hoping they make it on Catagory C boats as well!! Many guys complain about this, as the EPRIB is expensive and requires a yearly service, which is also expensive. Small story i wish to relate to you:

I had take some spearfisherman from Spain on a tuna trip. We were 25nm offshore, with a big sea and a 20knt North-wester. Very bad sea conditions, then it started to rain. It was 4pm in the afternoon and we had had a very succesful day. Being one of the last boats out, we pack up and head for home. As i'm about to leave, i smell something burning, from inside the cabin. Grabbed a fire extinguisher and opened the cabin, smoke came billowing out!! Stuck my head in the cabin and saw where the smoke was coming from. Used the fire-extinguisher and doused it. My boat was a new vessel, not even 6 months old, but due to really PATHETIC wiring from the factory, there was a 'short' which ignited. It burnt all my wire's. So, no plotter/gps, no fish finder, no VHF radio, no Navigational lights. LUCKILY my motors wiring wasn't burnt and i could still get home using the compass. BUT, what would i have done if my motors wire's caught alight? We'd probably still be drifting out in the middle of the ocean!! Thats why EPRIB's are so important. We never think of what CAN go wrong!!

We take the sea for granted!! We don't realise that each time we put to sea, we are actually endangering ourselves. Over the last two seasons, two of my friends boats has sank. One, a 40'+ monohull, sank on a dead calm sea, with 2 of the crew surviving and the skipper and a young crew member losing their lives. The second was a 40'+ cat, which sank about 7nm from Houtbay. Luckily they all were saved.

Regards

miles 
 

miles

Sealiner
Case in point:

A few years back, SAMSA initiated a Pre-Sea safety course, which is COMPULSORY for all commercial fisherman, including the skipper and ALL the crew. There was a big outcry by the commercial skippers, myself included!! We spend plenty of time at sea, so what could WE possibly learn from a course?? Well, to put it bluntly, we were all VERY, VERY wrong!! Almost EVERY single skipper on my course learnt something!! EVERY skipper i've spoken to, who has done the course, has actually started to change his thinking, regarding safety at sea.

Here's a post i made 2 years ago on another forum, well worth the read, regarding this course:
I took my wife to do a boat safety course today. She already has her skippers ticket, which allows her to navigate a vessel of less than 100gross ton, up to 40nm offshore, day and night. The safety course was brought out primarily for all commercial vessels here. With-in the next few years it will probably become mandatory for all recreational guys.

So, you've been a skipper or crew member for more than 20 years, what the hell can some safety instructor teach you?? WELL, PLENTY actually.

The first thing we discussed was safety equipment. Your boat is equiped with life jackets, flares, radio's, epribs, etc, etc. BUT, how many of us actually KNOW how to use them??

Life jackets. They're designed to keep a person floating face up, out of the water. Thats one reason why a wetsuit can't be substituted for a life jacket. If you fall overboard and bang your head, your life jacket will float you FACE UP allowing you to breathe. How do you put it on?? Most people will tie a neat little bow on the straps!! We were shown how to properly KNOT it!! Should your boat capsize, and you manage to get a life jacket on, any other person who doesn't have a life jacket will swim to you. Will people grabbing at you, its very easy for your knots on the life jacket to come undone. The end result was that the next time i go to sea, or when their is no fish, i'll get all my crew to properly tie up their life jackets and do a boat sinking/capsizing drill.

Flares. HOW do you use them?? Sure, there is directions on them, but what happens if your boat is sinking or has capsized or you're out at night??TRY reading the directions on them!! They're small and imagine yourself trying to do it in an emergency!! VERY easy to lose your cool and shoot the flare THROUGH the boats floor in an emergency!! LEARN to use them properly AND teach your crew how to use them properly!! You're stuck in fog, what flare would you use? How high does a pencil flare go up compared to a rocket flare? Why bother using a flare in fog? (becuase most of the time, fog lays very low and shooting off a rocket flare will push it through the fog, where it may be visible to others outside the fog or on land)

Fire-extinguishers. Where are they on your boat? Does ALL the crew members know where they are?? Are they mounted in a easily accesable location? Many boaters, myself included, would mount the fire extinguishers well away from salt water, due to corrosion. Some even pack theirs away under the seats. What will happen if a fire breaks out?? What if YOU are diving and a fire breaks out on the boat? Will your crew know WHERE the fiire extinguishers are AND how to use them!! Don't forget to service them annually!!

Radios. Does ALL your crew members KNOW how to use it? Do they know what channels to use and how to put out a MAYDAY call?

Navigation. Is all your crew capable of handling your boat? What happens if YOU are incapacitated? Will your crew be able to take you safely to land? We spearfish up to 40nm offshore. Add a bit of fog or rain and its very difficult for even us EXPERIENCED boaters to say which way land is!! TEACH EVERYONE that crews with you basic navigational skills, such as: this is a compass, this is how it works, this is the reciprical course to get us back home. Honestly know, in todays age of GPS and plotters, how many of us can navigate by compass? When last did you take out a chart and take bearings? TEACH YOUR CREW!!! Small story: when Fernando was here, we were spearing about 30nm from land. We had just fisnished, when Tommy smelt smoke. I jumped into the cabin with a fire-extinguisher. Luckily it was just a short bewteen two wire. How-ever, our plotter was dead as well as the radio and all navigational lights. We were 30nm from land, in heavy rain, with no other boats around, with no navigational equipment. Hey, i still do have a compass, but with all your stainless steel and electronic equipment close by, how accuarate IS the compass?? Luckily, we knew what wind was blowing and by keeping the 25knt nw'er 10degrees off our bow, we got home easily. Had we not kept our wits about it could've been a NIGHTMARE!!

Hyperthermia. What is it? Basic laymans terms, its when your core body temperature drops. We've all heard of it, but what happens to the body and how do you treat it? Basically, the body's temperature drops. You start to shiver. This is blood being sent to your muscles. After a while you brain realises that its not working and the core temperature is still dropping. Your brain now tells the body to with-draw the blood from your extemities (hands and feet) and concerntrate the warm blood around your upper body. So, when a person becomes hyperthermic, the last thing you want to do is to rub his hands or arms to try and keep him warm!!! As this will cuase the blood to rush to the area being rubbed, causing a loss of blood pressure and most likely rendering the person uncontious if not DEAD!!!! FIND OUT WHAT TO DO!!!! Similarly, what to do when a spearo gets the BENDS??

This is a very small part of what we did on the course. What it did do was to make us skippers realise how complacent we've become. Small things, like notify some-one reliable of where you're going and when you expect to return (i said REALIABLE, so no ex-wives or mother-in-laws!!) Also leave the local coast guards number with that person. We all know that is what we SHOULD do, but do we do it?? Teach you crew where all the safety things are on the boat. TRY and get a medical history on each crew members. WHY?? Well, you normally have a first aid kit on baord. If said crew member is suffering from a hang-over and takes a aspirin from the first aid kit, is he allergic to it? If anything happens to a crew member, is he diabetic, suffering from any heart conditions, etc. Knowing these small, but vital info. could save his life.

Things happen very quickly. It pays to be prepared. We all LOVE the sea, but nature often needs to show us how puny we are!! We have maritime accidents happening regularly. HUGE oil tankers running aground, cargo vessles capsizing, passenger ferry's sinking, etc. Soooo, just how safe are WE in our 14-40' vessels?? Made ME think!!
 

 

I would advise ANY recreational boater, be it skipper or crew to attend such a course. We did it for free, and they may well be charging people now, but i can guarantee you that you will come out of that course a far more safety orientated skipper!!  There is no exam to write, with only some practicals which involves firing of flares and actually donning a life-jacket and jumping into a pool or the sea (depending on where the course is held!!) Speak to your local SAMSA office or alternatively, a SAMSA representative (the guys who offer skippers tickets) about the availability of the "Pre-Sea Safety Course".
 

GL

Senior Member
[color=#006600]miles[/color] wrote:
I would advise ANY recreational boater, be it skipper or crew to attend such a course.
Hey Miles, interesting reading

we go on quite a few charters that use different boats or quality of boats or skippers/crew and typically we are in sight of land, with land not a mere spec but i would guess an average of 4-6 nm out.

taking into account we want to fish and boat condition/standards can vary a lot, what is the 101 we should know . . . we just assume if the +/-150 hp motors start 1st time and there are newish looking life vests on board, we are OK?

Thanks

 
 

miles

Sealiner
GL, the majority of todays fishing vessels are indeed very sea-worthy. Outboard's are fairly reliable and with regular maintance, should rarely give trouble. Considering that you're specifically talking about charter vessels, most charter guys would keep their vessel is good mechanical condition, as break-downs mean loss of income.

A couple of things worth doing when you go to sea with a charter boat:

- Ask the skipper where the life-jackets, fire-extinguishers and safety container is. In an emergency, you NEED to know exactly where these items are, so its best to ask beforehand.

- Tell your family where you're going and when you're planing on returning.

- also take note of where the VHF radio is, and make sure you know what working channels is used and that the emergency channel is 16

- when leaving port/harbour/the beach, take note of the landmarks on shore, as well as what the GPS or Plotter onboard says. Try and keep a look-out for shallow reefs or any other obstacle and make a mental note of the course the skipper is running.

Why all this?? Quite simple. We NEVER think of what happens when things go wrong. Certain area's, even less than 1nm from land doesn't have cellphone reception. You need to be familiar with a VHF radio.

I'm a spearfisherman and am very comfortable in the water. If i should fall overboard or be on a capsized boat, even just 1nm from land, i can guarantee you that i will not be able to swim to shore!! So, just because you're close to the shore doesn't mean that you can be more complacent.

Let me throw around a few examples:

You go to sea with a charter boat. The skipper falls overboard!! (for what-ever reason) What will YOU do? Are you able to handle the boat? Are you able to rescue the skipper? Lets say you do rescue him and he is unconcious/delirious. Or lets say he was driving the boat and then collapses, maybe a fit/stroke/heart attack/asthma attack/allergic reaction/heat stroke/bangs head on a rail/etc. You're now left with a boat and no skipper. Would you be able to navigate back safely? Would you be able to call for assistance on the vhf?

Unfortunately, Murphys law, things always happen when the sea is at its worse!! Nobody likes to think of the things that can go wrong, but you can be better prepared for emergency situations with a bit of planning. Your skipper is responsible for your well-being whilst you're onboard. He will know how to handle most of the emergency sitautions that could arise, you just need to know what to do if you lose your skipper!!

I let my crew skipper my baot REGULARLY. Each trip, i let one crew member ride the boat out, whilst the others help in the navigation. On the way back, another crew member gets a turn. This familiarises them with the vessel and gives them confidence in the vessel in various sea conditions. Needless to say, i teach them as much as i can about boat handling and navigation, using both the plotter and compass as well as using landmarks, both during the day and at night. Anything can happen to me at sea and i know that my crew will be able to get the boat and me back home safely, regardless of where we are fishing.

Accidents happen very easily. Last season, just refering to our tuna fishing, we had two boats sink, a crew member had his nose broken when a gaff hit him in the face, another almost lost his eye when a penn 12/0 exploded, a crew member fell onto a knife when the boat suddenly lurched stabbing himself in the stomach, a crew member had a hook stuck in his EYEBALL!!, a crew member had cut his wrist to the bone when line tangled around his hand and a tuna grabbed the bait, i know of two seperate incidents where anglers were pulled overboard by a fish!! (both survived) As you can see, its very easy to get injured, so ALWAYS have a contingency plan!!

Regards

miles 

 
 

GL

Senior Member
[color=#006600]miles[/color] wrote:
 you just need to know what to do if you lose your skipper!!

ALWAYS have a contingency plan!!

Hey Miles,

thanks for this good advice. We'll get the skips to let us drive boats and also make sure we sort of stick to our rule that if surf is flattish we'll go out otherwise its surf fishing for the day.

Cheers GL
 

Hammertime

Sealiner
Nicely said Miles.

He even let me take the helm - brave man!!

Jokes aside, the biggest fear I have when I don't have junior on board is what if something happens to me...

I leave the co-ordinates of where I am running to with the wife in the morning.
If she is on board with Matt, I normally let a mate of mine who has fished for may years, know where we are off too.

Junior radios penguin once in a while and they all get to handle the boat.

I have just made provision for an epirb which will be put onto the boat once she receives her hard top and clears.
 

dugongboy

Sealiner
Are there any restrictions changing regarding launching alone ? (no crew). I launch off Durban by myself every now and then and have heard for some time now that they want to put a stop to it ??? or restrict the distance to 1nm. ??
 

Miller Time

New member
SAMSA does help. I had a nasty accident a year ago while I was out fishing 1 mile off Cape Recief point. Myself,my son(11years old) and 2 friends were were hit by a 12 m Rodman that had set its autopilot and travelling into the son.The two crew jumped overboard and I held onto my son when the craft hit us breaking my starboard motor clean off the transom. The boat partially sank but it recoverded itself. Samsa did a very in depth investigation and so helping me to sort out my insurance for a full claim. Had it not been for Samsa I could of kissed my claim good buy.
 

carcharias

Sealiner
I hope you took the idiot to the cleaners!
a; How can he run without somebody on watch?
b; Why was he not using his radar if visibility was poor?
 

Ancient One

New member
Hi Miles
You got the wrong track there. I have no problem whatsoever with the regs - I support them fully. I was one of the first to call for Inland waters regs, and one of the earliest to comply with those regs. My issue is that some of the regs are impractical and unenforceable - generated by people who have limited practical experience. The more input that experienced boaters have into the formulation of new regulations, the more realistic and useful those regulations will be. Give you an example in terms of Inland Waters - the regs don't make it compulsory for owners/operators of slipways to enforce the regs on boats & Skippers launched from that slipway. End result - no enforcement of the regs, especially at the larger waterside resorts. All the guys like me who invested a lot of effort, time and money to comply, will be sitting out on the water with a bunch of cowboys who couldn't care less! Can find a few more examples like that!
So, let experience speak to the lawmakers to ensure that regulations are practical, useful and enforced. Laws without enforcement are not worth the paper.
 

miles

Sealiner
Hiya

Ancient one, i'm not familiar with fresh water rules and/or facilities, but can comment on our local sea launch sites. I've been asked to display my skippers ticket as well as safety survey certificate by EVERY one of our launch sites. This doesn't happen on every occation, but it does happen.

With inland waters, i think there might be a legal issue to contend with. If i own a private dam, it'll be difficult for samsa to dictate to me what i MUST do. I do how-ever understand your point. Could you possibly point out some more such issue's, so that we can then comment on it!

Thanx!!

miles 
 

Hammertime

Sealiner
FYI
Not sure what vessell Miller Time was on when the Rodman hit him, but a word of warning re radar.

RADAR will NOT pick up a little skiboat.
Small Fibre Glass boats, (Fibre Glass in General) does not reflect very well on radar. Even with a radar reflector up, you don't spot the smaller vesells that are GRP very well.

I can be around 15 skiboats, two longliners and a ship 16 miles way.
You see the longliners and the ship, rain and sometimes birds. But those 15 skiboats, no chance!

That being said, to the dude on the Rodman - what a twat for running that close in on auto anyway. When you that close you need to be at the helm Asswipe!! All the cash and no bloody idea. So many of them around man.
 

dugongboy

Sealiner
Thanks Fishton
I need to contact the club Safty Officer to clarify - there are quite a few guys who do it and as I said I do from time to time - its so easy and convienent and you don't have to rely on crew who can be full of c*#p (even best friends - "my girlfriends 102 year old granny is coming to town and besides its frikkin cold at 05:15 and I will probably have a barby because I am going to the box for the Sharks game - free dop, sorry bro, will they be biting next week???").
I was hoping that somebody on this post that knew the regs. well could advise.?
 
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