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Anthony_Britt
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Being a proud Catfish specimen Angler, I've always been is such agrument with myself and the other catfish (Barbel) anglers out there. The golden qeustion is: What is SA's number 1 Catfish bait

Carp head (This includes Muddy head as well as grasscarp head)
Plat anna?
Earth Wurm?
Chicken Livers?
Carp fillet?
Snail?
Day old Baby chicken?
Other (Please disclose if other)

For what it's worth, take in consideration that your bait should work in any dam.

Please share all your methods of increasing your bait' to become irresistible for the CATZ?

Catfish FEED?

please disclose all feeds used for Catfish?


Kind regards... CAT CRAZY' ANTHONY

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For me, I love a bait for its smell. Also time of year I believe is important. But there are constant baits I have found. Fish heads and fish fillet always gets a bite. I prefer to use fish natural to the water I'm fishing. In winter fish head has always had a pull while other baiyts don't get touched. But entering spring as the water temp gets above 16 degrees to 18 degrees oily smelly bait works well, sardine veing my number 1. Hungry cats coming on the feed after a winter eating very little are starving and a big smelly bait gets the bite faster, the more smell the better. In summer when the cats have been eating for most of the season a fleshier bait works better, day olds working very well. Than winter I will be using larger ground baits as I believe winter will be the season for natal when seriously large cats can be caught, as the smaller shoal fish won't be eating as often. But I will fish a head and fillet any time of year with confidence.

For me ready conditions and trying to understand the cat's frame of mind or eating habit at a certain point in the year should help you decide what bait and when.

What bait are you using anthony?

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nobbles wrote:
For me, I love a bait for its smell. Also time of year I believe is important. But there are constant baits I have found. Fish heads and fish fillet always gets a bite. I prefer to use fish natural to the water I'm fishing. In winter fish head has always had a pull while other baiyts don't get touched. But entering spring as the water temp gets above 16 degrees to 18 degrees oily smelly bait works well, sardine veing my number 1. Hungry cats coming on the feed after a winter eating very little are starving and a big smelly bait gets the bite faster, the more smell the better. In summer when the cats have been eating for most of the season a fleshier bait works better, day olds working very well. Than winter I will be using larger ground baits as I believe winter will be the season for natal when seriously large cats can be caught, as the smaller shoal fish won't be eating as often. But I will fish a head and fillet any time of year with confidence.

For me ready conditions and trying to understand the cat's frame of mind or eating habit at a certain point in the year should help you decide what bait and when.

What bait are you using anthony?


Well I strongly believe in Carp head ' not to big 1-2kg carp head...

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lewendige voeltjie. Niks kom naby nie veral in die vaalrivier. Daarna platanna en modderbek kop photo finish second.

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how the heck do you rig a live dove??

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live dove is a bit big, unless u fishing the orange river...

Live weaver bird is number one... barbel don't hang about near reeds with weaver bird nest because they like the scenery.

Raid those nests, find one that is just before flying age...

Hook a 9/0 through the shoulder blades under the spine and cast in.... if you cast it in the right spot i promise you not 5 minutes....

The one my dad caught well in excess of 20kg in the vaalriver, i caught a live swallow that had fallen in the water, swam it out... rigged up, my dad cast into the middle of the vaal, and before his sinker touched bottom he was on!!!

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Viskop vir my. Maar ek hak selde net die kop. Ek hak die kop met die lyf waar net die stert afgesny is.

Ek weet ook dat lewendige aas soos voeltjies hierbo genoem is baie goed werk. Maar om altyd met lewedige aas te wil vang lol in die opsig dat jy sukkel om dit altyd in die hande te kry.

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Skuimkop wrote:
Viskop vir my. Maar ek hak selde net die kop. Ek hak die kop met die lyf waar net die stert afgesny is.

Ek weet ook dat lewendige aas soos voeltjies hierbo genoem is baie goed werk. Maar om altyd met lewedige aas te wil vang lol in die opsig dat jy sukkel om dit altyd in die hande te kry.
Wil dit net reg kry hak jy die 3/4 Carp selfde way as wat jy die gewone' karp kop sal hak?

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Sal later vir jou pics post hoe ek dit doen.

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Skuimkop wrote:
Sal later vir jou pics post hoe ek dit doen. Ek wag nog SKUIMKOP?

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Anthony_Britt wrote:
Skuimkop wrote:
Sal later vir jou pics post hoe ek dit doen. Ek wag nog SKUIMKOP?


Het nie die pics op my foon nie maar sal vir jou post sodra ek by my pc uit kom.

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En sny die kop onder (geel streep) by die vis oop en trek uitmekaar soos aangedui met groen pyltjies om ekstra geur vry te stel van die gills. Jy kan die gills so bietjie beskadig met jou mes:

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As julle Karps heel (dood) wil gebruik as aas sny die vinne af soos hier onder deur die geel strepies gedomonstreer:

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Maak nou drie snitte aan weerskante van die vis en hak jou hoeke soos hier onder gedomonstreer:

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Die is my favourite. As julle ‘n groot Karp kop as bait wil gebruik (2 – 3 kg) sny die Karp soos volg:

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en maak ook hier drie snitte aan weerskante van die vis. Hak jou Muddy met die twee hoeke op dieselfde manier as hier onder aan gedui en gebruik ‘n tande stokkie met ‘n bead (bruin en blou kontrapsie in foto) op die einde vas geplak om deur jou hoek se oog in die vleis in te steek om jou hoek proud te laat staan en proud te hou. Sny die kop ook onder oop soos hierbo en sny die oorblywende vinne ook af.

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Goei genade' dis omtrend n storie' Antwoord my gou dink jy eerlikwaar so 1/2 karp werk baie beter as n Viskop?

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Dis maar die ou cliche van gebruik wat vir jou werk en waarin jy vertroue het. So ja vir my werk dit beter.

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Marthin wrote:
live dove is a bit big, unless u fishing the orange river...

Live weaver bird is number one... barbel don't hang about near reeds with weaver bird nest because they like the scenery.

Raid those nests, find one that is just before flying age...

Hook a 9/0 through the shoulder blades under the spine and cast in.... if you cast it in the right spot i promise you not 5 minutes....

The one my dad caught well in excess of 20kg in the vaalriver, i caught a live swallow that had fallen in the water, swam it out... rigged up, my dad cast into the middle of the vaal, and before his sinker touched bottom he was on!!!


It's scary how nonchalant you are when talking about this sort of cruelty.

Last edited on Wed Mar 21st, 2012 03:45 pm by Deefish

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yip.... growing up in rural areas where you see what a swarm of these birds and their friends can do to a piece of wheat, makes you feel a bit less about it....

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Marthin wrote: live dove is a bit big, unless u fishing the orange river...

Live weaver bird is number one... barbel don't hang about near reeds with weaver bird nest because they like the scenery.

Raid those nests, find one that is just before flying age...

Hook a 9/0 through the shoulder blades under the spine and cast in.... if you cast it in the right spot i promise you not 5 minutes....

The one my dad caught well in excess of 20kg in the vaalriver, i caught a live swallow that had fallen in the water, swam it out... rigged up, my dad cast into the middle of the vaal, and before his sinker touched bottom he was on!!!


You need your head checked man. How can you raid a weaver birds nets and then hook them up for fishing. Where is your respect for nature?

 

That’s disgraceful and you should be ashamed of yourself.  

 

 

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Guys, each person has their own opinion, whether or not we agree with it is of non importance. Yellow you have your opinion and values and Marthin has his. Lets respect one others opinions, no one is right or wrong.

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the question was what is the best bait to use...

That is the best bait to use....

When fishing for sharks, one would take an elf/shad, hook it on live, and then cut the tail off so it makes more vibrations and bleed a little.

you decide...

lets go up the evolutionary scale....

Live Worm? OK
Live Crickets/Insects? OK
Live Crabs? OK
Live Fish? OK
Live Plattie? OK
Live Birds? Not OK?

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Marthin wrote: the question was what is the best bait to use...

That is the best bait to use....

When fishing for sharks, one would take an elf/shad, hook it on live, and then cut the tail off so it makes more vibrations and bleed a little.

you decide...

lets go up the evolutionary scale....

Live Worm? OK
Live Crickets/Insects? OK
Live Crabs? OK
Live Fish? OK
Live Plattie? OK
Live Birds? Not OK?

As was previously said each has their own set of values. What you might note, however, is that each animal on your list up until you hit a plattie does not have the brain capacity to feel pain. A plattie and bird does. May as well rig up a dog as bait.

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Sorry, I disagree and it’s illegal and illegal for a reason. It’s not about my opinion, it’s about right and wrong, this is wrong and illegal and I will voice this all day long.

 

Come on guys, really – live birds as bait?????????

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Yellow Monster wrote:
Sorry, I disagree and it’s illegal and illegal for a reason. It’s not about my opinion, it’s about right and wrong, this is wrong and illegal and I will voice this all day long.

 

Come on guys, really – live birds as bait?????????
I agree' VISKOP IS BAAS

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Deefish wrote: Marthin wrote: the question was what is the best bait to use...

That is the best bait to use....

When fishing for sharks, one would take an elf/shad, hook it on live, and then cut the tail off so it makes more vibrations and bleed a little.

you decide...

lets go up the evolutionary scale....

Live Worm? OK
Live Crickets/Insects? OK
Live Crabs? OK
Live Fish? OK
Live Plattie? OK
Live Birds? Not OK?

As was previously said each has their own set of values. What you might note, however, is that each animal on your list up until you hit a plattie does not have the brain capacity to feel pain. A plattie and bird does. May as well rig up a dog as bait.


Yeah, what’s next – live new born puppies hooked through the shoulder?

 

We need to raise awareness for cruelty not advocate it.  

 

Anyway – I’m sickened by the idea.

 

Best I log off or I may just copy and paste this thread throughout Sealine.

 

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Deefish... i disagree about not feeling pain....

Yellow, i'd love for you to show me it's illegal.... any document....

What i can show you is this regarding Gauteng Angling Regulations:

You are required to have a license for freshwater angling in Gauteng, however as they are not easy to come by the rules state that if an official comes to check your license and you do not have one he has no choice but to sell you a license on the spot, he cannot confiscate your tackle, give you a fine if this is the case, he can however do this if you have disobeyed anyone of the rules and regulations.

You are not allowed to make feeding spots for fish.

An angler may only use 2 rods per person.

An angler may only use 2 hooks per rod.

Declared Trout Waters are where fly fishing is the only angling method permitted, you may have as many flies on your line as you wish.

You are allowed to use live bait, however NOT live fish - this is not permitted in Gauteng waters, there is still a question mark around the use of the Common Plattanna, most angling shops say it is illegal but there is still no Governing document saying that Plattannas are illegal in Gauteng waters, to the best of my knowledge and I have done a lot of searching.

The only livebait that is illegal in gauteng, is live fish!!!

So get informed, or practise your right to STFU. Legally there is NOTHING wrong with using a live weaver bird chick as bait.

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I wonder what the fly boys will think of this. Lets find out.

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Marthin wrote: Deefish... i disagree about not feeling pain....

Yellow, i'd love for you to show me it's illegal.... any document....

What i can show you is this regarding Gauteng Angling Regulations:

You are required to have a license for freshwater angling in Gauteng, however as they are not easy to come by the rules state that if an official comes to check your license and you do not have one he has no choice but to sell you a license on the spot, he cannot confiscate your tackle, give you a fine if this is the case, he can however do this if you have disobeyed anyone of the rules and regulations.

You are not allowed to make feeding spots for fish.

An angler may only use 2 rods per person.

An angler may only use 2 hooks per rod.

Declared Trout Waters are where fly fishing is the only angling method permitted, you may have as many flies on your line as you wish.

You are allowed to use live bait, however NOT live fish - this is not permitted in Gauteng waters, there is still a question mark around the use of the Common Plattanna, most angling shops say it is illegal but there is still no Governing document saying that Plattannas are illegal in Gauteng waters, to the best of my knowledge and I have done a lot of searching.

The only livebait that is illegal in gauteng, is live fish!!!

So get informed, or practise your right to STFU. Legally there is NOTHING wrong with using a live weaver bird chick as bait.

Marthin, Aquadementia posted an article a little while ago about the pain issue. Although fish have a nervous system response to 'pain', their brain capacity is not sufficient enough to actually register it as pain. What I'm trying to say is, on the one hand you have birds and plattie's that most certainly do feel pain and on the other fish that don't (or in your opinion possibly do, possibly being the operative word).

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Is it legal to use CARP HEAD for Catfish bait?

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yip... no live fish... that's the only restriction on bait....

And no web toed frogs in the northern cape.

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Marthin wrote:
yip... no live fish... that's the only restriction on bait....

And no web toed frogs in the northern cape.
But plattana's are also illegal in Gauteng isn't it?

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Please see this link and take particular note of the column relating to the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962.

http://www.nspca.co.za/other.aspx?Id=&CateId=&Category=&page=News&nId=176&Title=Live%20platannas%20(frogs)%20removed%20and%20released

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Please see this link and take particular note of the column relating to the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962.

http://www.nspca.co.za/other.aspx?Id=&CateId=&Category=&page=News&nId=176&Title=Live%20platannas%20(frogs)%20removed%20and%20released
MMM very interesting indeed' when was this?

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Anthony_Britt wrote: Deefish wrote:
Please see this link and take particular note of the column relating to the Animals Protection Act No 71 of 1962.

http://www.nspca.co.za/other.aspx?Id=&CateId=&Category=&page=News&nId=176&Title=Live%20platannas%20(frogs)%20removed%20and%20released
MMM very interesting indeed' when was this?

I have sent a email to the SPCA regarding their views on "Raiding of Weaver Nests for Live Bait" and will keep everyone posted.

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Each to there own. And i dont care who wrote that article, any animal that has a nervous system feels pain, nature dictates this. A lack of brain capacitie????????????? What fish species is he referring to? Marine biologists have proved alot of species are very clever and can problem solve. So diminished brain capacity is a matter of opinion rather than fact. I have had alot of discusions on this topic related to fish and have more than one marine biologist state all fish feel pain. If you want to test the theory get hold of a fish and see how much it panics when the hook goes through, if it didnt feel it,why the sudden increase in movement at that particular time. I use live bait very regularly and it is legal in Natal, i do not how ever use anything else live as i dont like the feeling of hooking a life frog or bird. But thats my opinion and if Marthin wants to, that his decision and his right.

I think if this topic needs to be debated there is a general dicusion board that will fit it, not what barbel bait is best. Anthony i would like to apologise to you for the high jacking of your post.

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Hope this puts a end to the debate: Reply from the SPCA:

-----Original Message-----
From: NSPCA Special Projects Unit [mailto:specialprojects@nspca.co.za]
Sent: 22 March 2012 11:39 AM
To: Mark Ninow
Subject: FW: Weaver Birds as Live Bait for fishing.
Importance: High

 

Dear Mark,

 

In terms of the Animals Protection Act no. 71 of 1962, there are several sections under which these fisherman can be charged with:

Definition: "owner" in relation to an animal, includes any person having the possession, charge, custody or control of that animal.

2. OFFENCES IN RESPECT OF ANIMALS - (1) Any person who:

(a )overloads, overdrives, overrides, ill-treats, neglects, infuriates, tortures or maims or cruelly beats, kicks, goads or terrifies any animal; or

(f) uses on or attaches to any animal any equipment, appliance or vehicle which causes or will cause injury to such animal or which is loaded, used or attached in such a manner as will cause such animal to be injured or become diseased or to suffer unnecessarily; or

(h) liberates any bird in such a manner as to expose it to immediate attack or danger of attack by animals, wild animals or wild birds; or

(g) save for the purpose of training hounds maintained by a duly established and registered vermin club in the destruction of vermin, liberates any animal in such a manner or place as to expose it to immediate attack or danger of attack by other animals or by wild animals, or baits or provokes any animal or incites any animal to attack another animal; or

The penalties, if found guilty, are up to 1 Year imprisonment and/or a fine. The fine can reach up to R60 000 in a district court or R300 000 in a Regional Court.

 

The above are all over and above any possible Nature Conservation Regulations which they may be breaching by removing any wild animal from the wild.

 

Your concerns are therefore supported.

 

 

Kind regards

 

Andries Venter

Special Projects Unit - Manager

 

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@ ENIGMA -

 Please do not remove this Forum - exposure to this type of Cruelty is educational to other anglers.

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guys try this i was at college on tues till yesterday and could not catch anything small enough to chop the head off and use as bait.
so having my barbel rods standing there for a long time with nothing to do i baited them up with some streaky bacon and sent them out.
got picked up about 20 mins later by a small barbel probly a kilo or two.

so if all else fails or you cannot get bait give it a go it worked

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"(f) uses on or attaches to any animal any equipment, appliance or vehicle which causes or will cause injury to such animal or which is loaded, used or attached in such a manner as will cause such animal to be injured or become diseased or to suffer unnecessarily;"

Yellow, would that include "attaching" a 2kg yellow fish to your fly-fishing equipment? And fighting it for 20 minutes before you release it again? Fishing is a blood sport.

As for your mail to the SPCA, great man. Send one to PETA as well, I'm sure you'll get an even better response. You can post that here too.

And no, I do not use live bait in fresh water, but I do in the sea.

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nobbles wrote: Each to there own. And i dont care who wrote that article, any animal that has a nervous system feels pain, nature dictates this. A lack of brain capacitie????????????? What fish species is he referring to? Marine biologists have proved alot of species are very clever and can problem solve. So diminished brain capacity is a matter of opinion rather than fact. I have had alot of discusions on this topic related to fish and have more than one marine biologist state all fish feel pain. If you want to test the theory get hold of a fish and see how much it panics when the hook goes through, if it didnt feel it,why the sudden increase in movement at that particular time. I use live bait very regularly and it is legal in Natal, i do not how ever use anything else live as i dont like the feeling of hooking a life frog or bird. But thats my opinion and if Marthin wants to, that his decision and his right.

I think if this topic needs to be debated there is a general dicusion board that will fit it, not what barbel bait is best. Anthony i would like to apologise to you for the high jacking of your post.

Agree with most of your post -  however - based on the SPCA mail to me - would you agree that its not Marthin or anyone's right to practice this method of fishing?

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I get my blood raised often by discusions like this. As humans we have been doing things like this for 1000 upon 1000 of years. Its part of nature, i hunt and i fish. I kill animals, as long as there is a purpose behind it and you are not wasting the animal i dont have an issue. Again my opinion, just because i say it doesnt mean you have to agree and do the same and just as you have stated your opinion doesnt mean Marthin has to obey or visa versa. Is it an endagered species he is using? will there be a negative impact on the population? My answer to that is no. If no perminant damage is being done where in lies the issue, Parks board in durban drives around shooting indian myna's, ask the SPCA if they condone this.

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But ya, ive had my say and for me its back to the pleasure of discussing barbel fishing rather than rights and wrongs.

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Anthony what bait can you get hold of for your up coming trip?

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nobbles, for example i know guys and have seen guys lob off yellowfish yeads for barbel bait....

To me yellows are sacred, and i got pretty upset next to the vaal one afternoon when a guy used a yellowfish head.

That said he got even more upset when i used a bass head, bass to me being a severe threat to yellows.

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nobbles wrote: Each to there own. And i dont care who wrote that article, any animal that has a nervous system feels pain, nature dictates this. A lack of brain capacitie????????????? What fish species is he referring to? Marine biologists have proved alot of species are very clever and can problem solve. So diminished brain capacity is a matter of opinion rather than fact. I have had alot of discusions on this topic related to fish and have more than one marine biologist state all fish feel pain. If you want to test the theory get hold of a fish and see how much it panics when the hook goes through, if it didnt feel it,why the sudden increase in movement at that particular time. I use live bait very regularly and it is legal in Natal, i do not how ever use anything else live as i dont like the feeling of hooking a life frog or bird. But thats my opinion and if Marthin wants to, that his decision and his right.

I think if this topic needs to be debated there is a general dicusion board that will fit it, not what barbel bait is best. Anthony i would like to apologise to you for the high jacking of your post.

Clearly you didn't comprehend what I was trying to articulate in my previous post.

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nobbles wrote: I get my blood raised often by discusions like this. As humans we have been doing things like this for 1000 upon 1000 of years. Its part of nature, i hunt and i fish. I kill animals, as long as there is a purpose behind it and you are not wasting the animal i dont have an issue. Again my opinion, just because i say it doesnt mean you have to agree and do the same and just as you have stated your opinion doesnt mean Marthin has to obey or visa versa. Is it an endagered species he is using? will there be a negative impact on the population? My answer to that is no. If no perminant damage is being done where in lies the issue, Parks board in durban drives around shooting indian myna's, ask the SPCA if they condone this.
As long as you believe that raiding a birds nest and using chicks as bait (for sport I might add) is acceptable in a modern society, the SPCA can say whatever they want and it would not have any impact on your beliefs regarding this. Luckily we have an organisation such as the SPCA who agrees with us i.e. the law is on our side in this regard.

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Dee we can continue this dicusuion else where, pm me if you want to.
But i think its time this thread went back to Anthony's question of what bait works best, as it was intended.

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I have made my point and respect to all. I must reiterate that the law is not a document produced by the SPCA or PETA – It is a statutory document which regulates the Humane Treatment of animals.

 

I did not get a response from certain individuals when they asked me to prove the statutory law……

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nobbles wrote: Dee we can continue this dicusuion else where, pm me if you want to.
But i think its time this thread went back to Anthony's question of what bait works best, as it was intended.


Agreed, apologies Anthony!

 

Ps. really nice to be able to debate things in a civil manner, many people take offence far too easily!

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Had some sardines left from a sea trip and tried my luck with it worked very nice before the second rod was in my dad was busy fighting the first cat.Will try it again and see if it was not a pox !::S

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Ek sal sê 'n loodkop. Het al babers in elke provinsie (van die richtersveld tot by tzaneen) in verskeie damme op loodkop gevang met 'n gemiddeld van 6-8kg. Ek kan die lys damme wat ek al babers met loodkop gevang het opnoem as iemand belangstel. Vir my is dit die mees effektiefste manier om babers te vang, al waar ek dink enige aas beter sal doen is in sterk vloeiende water. As mens eers die trick het kan jy letterlik baljaar onder die babers en glo my dis groot pret.

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In die kavango rivier is hoenderlewer beste. Ek het al geekspirimenteer met viskoppe en fillets, maar nie baie sukses. Ek hoor gereeld die mense praat van "blouseep" as goeie aas?? Is dit effektief? Hoe vergelyk dit met ander aas? Die rede hoekom ek vra, is omdat die ase met sterk geure moontlik meer effektief in die sterk vloeiende water behoort te wees.

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Kan iemand as vir my ook verduidlik waaroor die Blou-seep storie gaan en hoed dit werk?

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Sover ek gehoor het, word die blou seep gemaak met 'n tipe van 'n vis olie basis, end dit is die dat die babers die goed so love. Dit is net die spesifieke seep wat die locals maak met die "olie" basis, nie enige blou seep nie.

Maar, ja - Miskien het iemand beter / akkurater info oor die seep.

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Ek dink ook dis meer effektief op die Vundu....

Maar ja dit gaan jou nie help jy kom met n bar sunlight seep daar aan nie...

Jy kort daai vetseep soos die oumense dit genoem het...

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Protein protein protein. Soasp works for all catfish. Fish like a bait high in protein, if the soap has a high enough protein content the fish will eat it. If you find a pool bellow where people wash cloths u will find a concentration of barbel, soap. Equals protein, protein equals hungry cats.

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So I take it there is no such thing as the best catfish bait, only what's best for that time of year, in that specific dam or river, during a specific moon cycle, depending on the weather, depth, nearby structure, etc etc.....fishing's not static, it's dynamic, things can change at any time, if it were any more predictable, it would just not be as challenging....

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Exactly. That's the reason I try have atleast 4 baits with me when I go to the water. There will always be a tine when a certain bait goes untouched, have the confidence to admit its not working and have a bck up you know is good to use.

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nobbles wrote: I get my blood raised often by discusions like this. As humans we have been doing things like this for 1000 upon 1000 of years. Its part of nature, i hunt and i fish. I kill animals, as long as there is a purpose behind it and you are not wasting the animal i dont have an issue. Again my opinion, just because i say it doesnt mean you have to agree and do the same and just as you have stated your opinion doesnt mean Marthin has to obey or visa versa. Is it an endagered species he is using? will there be a negative impact on the population? My answer to that is no. If no perminant damage is being done where in lies the issue, Parks board in durban drives around shooting indian myna's, ask the SPCA if they condone this.

I agree with your post.Fishing is a blood sport, I would use any animal/insect other than a mammal as bait.Illegal yes - but everyone isnt perfect.I really dont care if the species is NOT protected.Thats my opinion :)

If you are fishing and not getting any bites while the guy next to you is pulling out fish after fish ,are you really going to ignore what he is doing different to you?

Yellow should has used a myna bird - you are LEGALLY allowed to kill any myna bird as its an invasive species

Yellow said that the weavers decimate the wheat crops - I could picture myself doing the same thing if i was in his shoes - although i seriously doubt i could bring myself to hooking a live bird as bait!:wfish

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sheep and ox liver works well .

It lets off a lot of blood and attracts the barbel.

 

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All very true but will still stick to my statement about live bait being the best. My reason is simple. Barble are predatorial fish and hunts for pray, but will also settle for a easy meal like a well presented smelly dead bait. I firmly believe if u can intise a cat with live vibrations it will rather go for the live bait then the dead bait. All is speculation and i will go out to prove it. Ive booked a looooong weekend at bloemhof before the bonanza and i will give a report on my return.

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For me 1 kg Carp head, it's like "crack for a junkie"

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For me, the only bait I used for years was the carp head, steped on for extra flavour in the water, but I sat with the problem of missing to much barbel this way until I one day went and watched a barbel actually feeding, and what I observed was this, the fish swims around and eventually finds the food (your bait), what the barbel does is sucking the bait in and then almost immediately spits it out again. He repeats this process about five or six times before he actually decides if he wants to swollow this bait or not. In my oppinion, because it was a bigger fish (about 12kg), it was more cautious and used it`s extremely well developed taste to ``evaluate`` the bait and decide if it is safe to eat (the reason why it is so immencely important not to have any funny smells on your hands when you prepare the bait). After observing this, I saw how impotrant hook choice and placement really is. What I saw was that if your hook is to big and hindering the fish, he will drop it and move on and on hhe other hand, if your hook`s shank is to thick (I only usa katanas and linx hooks for barbel) the hook will not penetrate as wished. The best place to hoot a barbel is in the side of the mouth because of the crushing plates in front. The problem with fish heads is the fish sometimes takes a wile to actually take it in but this is not a problem if your hooks are proud and you practice the needed patience before setting the hook. Another observation I made was that a correctly presented fillet drasticly increase your hookup rate. I take a carp fillet, fold if double (skin inside) and work its case with the cotton (I use latex), place my one hook at the boyyom of the bait and one hook at the very top. I then take the intestines of the fish and put it onthe bait and fasten it with the latex for the bloody taste that Mr. Whiskas love
I have fished for barbel for many years now and this is whwt works for me.

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nice post dorsal and :welcomesea:

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nobbles wrote:
nice post dorsal and :welcomesea: As the Founder of this POST' It's a honor..... lol cool beans hope to bring more good looking forums soon!!

Die winter hou my besig!!!

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Thanks guys, great forum!!:clap12

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today i went to my bio proff and asked about fish feeling no pain. from my understanding the nerves of a fish has are less convergent and in far less proximity than that of a mammal and so the nervous system detects changes in pressure on the fishes body. the reason fish freak out when you handle or hook them is that there is a greater pressure on one spot then the rest of the body. this tells the fish that it has been caught by something and it needs to get free. so in short fish don't feel pain they freak out because of dramatic pressure changes on their body's
my favorite barby bait is a head of a 2kg grass carp.
great fourm guys thanks for the info

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has anyone tried mice as barbel bait? the mice that are sold at pet shops to feed snakes

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pescado wrote: has anyone tried mice as barbel bait? the mice that are sold at pet shops to feed snakes
It can work but it will atract all the small ones.

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Het die naweek by Roodeplaat met n karp koppie probeer, niks byt gekry. Het Saterdag van daai wit miswurms wat jy in komposhope kry opgesit en binne 5 ure 3 snorre gekry 2kg, 4.5kg en 5kg. Wys net dat sekere damme op sekere dae veskillende ass verkies.

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I normally do not get involved in heated discussions but using live birds as bait! I mean really now. No problem with guys using a dead bird as bait but a live one? Is that really humane? For me it does not matter if it is legal or not. Its just wrong in my opinion. If they guy next to you is doing something illegal or not moral and its working why stoop to that level? It is easier to rob a bank than earn an honest living is it not?

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Each to there own. Use the full rats as a big flesh bait. Mice are to small for anything over 8kg. But I'd de head it and skin it. Get a good scent trail going

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thanks nobbles
ill be sure to try it some time

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Hi Guys,

Interesting to see the list of best baits; I am not an expert in targetting barbel - most of mine come as bycatch whilst I target vundu, which I have fished for a great deal, taking a couple of hundred..

My 'go to' bait is either ox heart, or, often better - liver - good scent trail, and often easy to get hold of. The 'skin' on the lobes of the liver help in keeping it on the hook - but true to say its not as good as heart where plenty of bait robbers - butter barbel (Makriel), small barbel etc, are around.. outfishes deadbaits any day of the week..

I am a little surprised to see heart/liver onlly get mentioned once thus far - perhaps whilst its good for vundu, it does not work as well for barbel..?

Just my '2 cents..'...!::S

Cheers, RF.

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Hi Guys,

Interesting to see the list of best baits; I am not an expert in targetting barbel - most of mine come as bycatch whilst I target vundu, which I have fished for a great deal, taking a couple of hundred..

My 'go to' bait is either ox heart, or, often better - liver - good scent trail, and often easy to get hold of. The 'skin' on the lobes of the liver help in keeping it on the hook - but true to say its not as good as heart where plenty of bait robbers - butter barbel (Makriel), small barbel etc, are around.. outfishes deadbaits any day of the week..

I am a little surprised to see heart/liver onlly get mentioned once thus far - perhaps whilst its good for vundu, it does not work as well for barbel..?

Just my '2 cents..'...!::S

Cheers, RF.

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opinions are great, they change the world but don't go off the subject. we talking about best barbel bait and not to have an arguement over whats right or wrong regarding the use of live or animal cruelty ~ favourite bait: might sound strange but actually fish guts especially the egg sacks and a decent sized muddy head :D