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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:01 am
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guys try this i was at college on tues till yesterday and could not catch anything small enough to chop the head off and use as bait.
so having my barbel rods standing there for a long time with nothing to do i baited them up with some streaky bacon and sent them out.
got picked up about 20 mins later by a small barbel probly a kilo or two.

so if all else fails or you cannot get bait give it a go it worked

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:09 am
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"(f) uses on or attaches to any animal any equipment, appliance or vehicle which causes or will cause injury to such animal or which is loaded, used or attached in such a manner as will cause such animal to be injured or become diseased or to suffer unnecessarily;"

Yellow, would that include "attaching" a 2kg yellow fish to your fly-fishing equipment? And fighting it for 20 minutes before you release it again? Fishing is a blood sport.

As for your mail to the SPCA, great man. Send one to PETA as well, I'm sure you'll get an even better response. You can post that here too.

And no, I do not use live bait in fresh water, but I do in the sea.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:10 am
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nobbles wrote: Each to there own. And i dont care who wrote that article, any animal that has a nervous system feels pain, nature dictates this. A lack of brain capacitie????????????? What fish species is he referring to? Marine biologists have proved alot of species are very clever and can problem solve. So diminished brain capacity is a matter of opinion rather than fact. I have had alot of discusions on this topic related to fish and have more than one marine biologist state all fish feel pain. If you want to test the theory get hold of a fish and see how much it panics when the hook goes through, if it didnt feel it,why the sudden increase in movement at that particular time. I use live bait very regularly and it is legal in Natal, i do not how ever use anything else live as i dont like the feeling of hooking a life frog or bird. But thats my opinion and if Marthin wants to, that his decision and his right.

I think if this topic needs to be debated there is a general dicusion board that will fit it, not what barbel bait is best. Anthony i would like to apologise to you for the high jacking of your post.

Agree with most of your post -  however - based on the SPCA mail to me - would you agree that its not Marthin or anyone's right to practice this method of fishing?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:18 am
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I get my blood raised often by discusions like this. As humans we have been doing things like this for 1000 upon 1000 of years. Its part of nature, i hunt and i fish. I kill animals, as long as there is a purpose behind it and you are not wasting the animal i dont have an issue. Again my opinion, just because i say it doesnt mean you have to agree and do the same and just as you have stated your opinion doesnt mean Marthin has to obey or visa versa. Is it an endagered species he is using? will there be a negative impact on the population? My answer to that is no. If no perminant damage is being done where in lies the issue, Parks board in durban drives around shooting indian myna's, ask the SPCA if they condone this.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:20 am
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But ya, ive had my say and for me its back to the pleasure of discussing barbel fishing rather than rights and wrongs.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:23 am
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Anthony what bait can you get hold of for your up coming trip?

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:27 am
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nobbles, for example i know guys and have seen guys lob off yellowfish yeads for barbel bait....

To me yellows are sacred, and i got pretty upset next to the vaal one afternoon when a guy used a yellowfish head.

That said he got even more upset when i used a bass head, bass to me being a severe threat to yellows.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 11:57 am
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nobbles wrote: Each to there own. And i dont care who wrote that article, any animal that has a nervous system feels pain, nature dictates this. A lack of brain capacitie????????????? What fish species is he referring to? Marine biologists have proved alot of species are very clever and can problem solve. So diminished brain capacity is a matter of opinion rather than fact. I have had alot of discusions on this topic related to fish and have more than one marine biologist state all fish feel pain. If you want to test the theory get hold of a fish and see how much it panics when the hook goes through, if it didnt feel it,why the sudden increase in movement at that particular time. I use live bait very regularly and it is legal in Natal, i do not how ever use anything else live as i dont like the feeling of hooking a life frog or bird. But thats my opinion and if Marthin wants to, that his decision and his right.

I think if this topic needs to be debated there is a general dicusion board that will fit it, not what barbel bait is best. Anthony i would like to apologise to you for the high jacking of your post.

Clearly you didn't comprehend what I was trying to articulate in my previous post.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 12:02 pm
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nobbles wrote: I get my blood raised often by discusions like this. As humans we have been doing things like this for 1000 upon 1000 of years. Its part of nature, i hunt and i fish. I kill animals, as long as there is a purpose behind it and you are not wasting the animal i dont have an issue. Again my opinion, just because i say it doesnt mean you have to agree and do the same and just as you have stated your opinion doesnt mean Marthin has to obey or visa versa. Is it an endagered species he is using? will there be a negative impact on the population? My answer to that is no. If no perminant damage is being done where in lies the issue, Parks board in durban drives around shooting indian myna's, ask the SPCA if they condone this.
As long as you believe that raiding a birds nest and using chicks as bait (for sport I might add) is acceptable in a modern society, the SPCA can say whatever they want and it would not have any impact on your beliefs regarding this. Luckily we have an organisation such as the SPCA who agrees with us i.e. the law is on our side in this regard.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 12:16 pm
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Dee we can continue this dicusuion else where, pm me if you want to.
But i think its time this thread went back to Anthony's question of what bait works best, as it was intended.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 22nd, 2012 12:19 pm
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I have made my point and respect to all. I must reiterate that the law is not a document produced by the SPCA or PETA – It is a statutory document which regulates the Humane Treatment of animals.

 

I did not get a response from certain individuals when they asked me to prove the statutory law……

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nobbles wrote: Dee we can continue this dicusuion else where, pm me if you want to.
But i think its time this thread went back to Anthony's question of what bait works best, as it was intended.


Agreed, apologies Anthony!

 

Ps. really nice to be able to debate things in a civil manner, many people take offence far too easily!

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Had some sardines left from a sea trip and tried my luck with it worked very nice before the second rod was in my dad was busy fighting the first cat.Will try it again and see if it was not a pox !::S

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 Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2012 06:59 am
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Sard deffinatly works well when the fish are on the bite

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 Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2012 08:29 am
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Hey julle

Ek sal sê 'n loodkop. Het al babers in elke provinsie (van die richtersveld tot by tzaneen) in verskeie damme op loodkop gevang met 'n gemiddeld van 6-8kg. Ek kan die lys damme wat ek al babers met loodkop gevang het opnoem as iemand belangstel. Vir my is dit die mees effektiefste manier om babers te vang, al waar ek dink enige aas beter sal doen is in sterk vloeiende water. As mens eers die trick het kan jy letterlik baljaar onder die babers en glo my dis groot pret.

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In die kavango rivier is hoenderlewer beste. Ek het al geekspirimenteer met viskoppe en fillets, maar nie baie sukses. Ek hoor gereeld die mense praat van "blouseep" as goeie aas?? Is dit effektief? Hoe vergelyk dit met ander aas? Die rede hoekom ek vra, is omdat die ase met sterk geure moontlik meer effektief in die sterk vloeiende water behoort te wees.

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 Posted: Tue Mar 27th, 2012 10:32 am
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Kan iemand as vir my ook verduidlik waaroor die Blou-seep storie gaan en hoed dit werk?

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Sover ek gehoor het, word die blou seep gemaak met 'n tipe van 'n vis olie basis, end dit is die dat die babers die goed so love. Dit is net die spesifieke seep wat die locals maak met die "olie" basis, nie enige blou seep nie.

Maar, ja - Miskien het iemand beter / akkurater info oor die seep.

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Ek dink ook dis meer effektief op die Vundu....

Maar ja dit gaan jou nie help jy kom met n bar sunlight seep daar aan nie...

Jy kort daai vetseep soos die oumense dit genoem het...

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Protein protein protein. Soasp works for all catfish. Fish like a bait high in protein, if the soap has a high enough protein content the fish will eat it. If you find a pool bellow where people wash cloths u will find a concentration of barbel, soap. Equals protein, protein equals hungry cats.

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