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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 01:07 pm
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kraken wrote:
I often wonder what the outcry would be if I were to post a pic of a 100kg bronzie I'd caught and lying dead on the cutting table.
The term 'lynch mob' springs to mind.
BUT, it is also my legal right to take and be in possesion of one shark on any given day, regardless of size.
Is it wrong? Perhaps morally, but in actual fact it is nothing of the sort.
Bag limits and size limits are not sucked out of thumbs. They are worked out on the basis of maintaining a sustainable resource.
I for one,cannot sit in judgement of anyone wanting to keep a fish or fishes caught within the boundaries of the law.
My own personal moral compass dictates to what I do or do not keep.
That is my choice however, and I have no right to impose this on anyone else.
Yes, it is sad to see a magnificent giant bluefin or marlin dead and hanging from the gantry.
But, the men who have caught those fish, have, we assume, done everything within the limits of local laws, spent a lot of money to do it, and thus cannot be judged or condemned for doing so.
The current regulations locally and in most places abroad are very fair.
Stay on the right side of the law, and all will be well.
Willfully transgress it with little or not respect to your fellow man, then, in my eyes, you become a female genital organ or male for that matter.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 01:24 pm
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You're welcome.  You have a good memory - I don't even remember what I've posted!

There are serious double standards that we apply.  Bitching about a dude catching a GW but supporting shark nets/trek netters hauling out 100 kob are scum but 100 anglers each taking a kob along False Bay is fine etc. 

Anglers are quick to point fingers at other sonde bokke - it's always "commercials/trek netters/poachers" etc whereas the truth is closer to home.  I do agree that everyone has a right to take whatever the heck they want to within the prescriptions of the law.  I also agree that its pointless to whinge about an already dead fish.  Crying over spilt milk.  These posts don'e achieve anything other than start a fight.

I don't agree with pics of white steenbras that okes have killed - but I don't post my view.  We need to realise that choosing to take a fish like that renders you voiceless in the fight against over-utilisation.  Why the huge uproar if a trek netter hauls out a white steenbras in their net and takes it (besides that it is illegal because it is a non-commercial species) - anglers do the same thing everyday.

It is not rocket science that anglers are party to depleting the fish stocks.  Want proof: go check out the old photos in the fishing museum in Hermanus.  old timers with piles of fish - huge piles!  Those days are over.  I even remember as a laaitie fishing at Nooiensbank and catching wildeperd, john brown and hotties.  That was 20 odd years ago.  You would be lucky to catch the odd galjoen there now.

I know this is a bit off-topic however we all need to understand why some get so upset. 


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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 01:34 pm
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FeedingFrenzy wrote: You're welcome.  You have a good memory - I don't even remember what I've posted!

There are serious double standards that we apply.  Bitching about a dude catching a GW but supporting shark nets/trek netters hauling out 100 kob are scum but 100 anglers each taking a kob along False Bay is fine etc. 

Anglers are quick to point fingers at other sonde bokke - it's always "commercials/trek netters/poachers" etc whereas the truth is closer to home.  I do agree that everyone has a right to take whatever the heck they want to within the prescriptions of the law.  I also agree that its pointless to whinge about an already dead fish.  Crying over spilt milk.  These posts don'e achieve anything other than start a fight.

I don't agree with pics of white steenbras that okes have killed - but I don't post my view.  We need to realise that choosing to take a fish like that renders you voiceless in the fight against over-utilisation.  Why the huge uproar if a trek netter hauls out a white steenbras in their net and takes it (besides that it is illegal because it is a non-commercial species) - anglers do the same thing everyday.

It is not rocket science that anglers are party to depleting the fish stocks.  Want proof: go check out the old photos in the fishing museum in Hermanus.  old timers with piles of fish - huge piles!  Those days are over.  I even remember as a laaitie fishing at Nooiensbank and catching wildeperd, john brown and hotties.  That was 20 odd years ago.  You would be lucky to catch the odd galjoen there now.

I know this is a bit off-topic however we all need to understand why some get so upset. 



Very off topic... But that's fine, have your rant, hopefully it makes you feel better that you have said what on your mind!

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 01:57 pm
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Its not a rant.  Its reality and the truth.  When the stocks are depleted we'll all be looking at old pics and thinking why didn't they release those fish. 

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve but if fishing is a blood sport for you and you want to kill everything that you wish then that is your perogative - but then swallow some cement and harden up - you are going to get chirped. 

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 01:59 pm
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What a thread hahahaha you really like to draw attention, but I do understand both parties frustration, bunnyhuggers and "killers".

As I see it you can take what you want if in line with legislation no matter what if it's your personal opinion that it should have been released it's yours to keep even if it is very hard I know the feeling especially when fish that's nearly extinct is caught and slaughtered but as mentioned earlier the bag limit are calculated measures not a thumbsuck.

One angler is not gonna save the world and according to me a conventional angler cannot destroy a fishing population from the shore if it's not bound to the habitat but fish like Galjoen etc. who's habitat is in the gullies I do believe can be fished to extinction by a shore angler. 

 

 

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:11 pm
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FeedingFrenzy wrote: Its not a rant.  Its reality and the truth.  When the stocks are depleted we'll all be looking at old pics and thinking why didn't they release those fish. 

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve but if fishing is a blood sport for you and you want to kill everything that you wish then that is your perogative - but then swallow some cement and harden up - you are going to get chirped. 

Cool, if that works for you. I'm glad it's helping you!

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:12 pm
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Its not a rant.  Its reality and the truth.  When the stocks are depleted we'll all be looking at old pics and thinking why didn't they release those fish. 

I'm not really sure what you are trying to achieve but if fishing is a blood sport for you and you want to kill everything that you wish then that is your perogative - but then swallow some cement and harden up - you are going to get chirped. 


My point exactly - just because you decide to post a pic of a legal size fish that you decided to keep - turns you into a psychotic baby killer with bloodlust tendencies..

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:14 pm
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I have said more than I have wanted to on this topic, but I have realized one thing........You can rant and rave as much as you want about conservation etc..... but at the end of the day it is every angler's choice to what he does....

That is why I do not comment on catches where I think the angler perhaps did not do the right thing.

Every member on this forum knows exactly the difference between right and wrong irrespective of whether it is legal or not.

In the end you have to live with your own decisions......

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:15 pm
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Astrix wrote:
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One angler is not gonna save the world and according to me a conventional angler cannot destroy a fishing population from the shore if it's not bound to the habitat but fish like Galjoen etc. who's habitat is in the gullies I do believe can be fished to extinction by a shore angler. 

 

 


You may be surprised

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Keep to the law that's all, some people like to catch and release and some like to eat one once in a while and it's all just fine with me, but I do think we should look after our fish population the best we can, dont bite off more than you can chew.

I myself like catch and release but I also will take a fish if I wanna eat it, it's not illegle, just do it within reasonable limits.

Fishing is a sport just like hunting, as long as it doesn't go waisted and is legal there is no prob.

 

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:59 pm
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Astrix wrote: Keep to the law that's all, some people like to catch and release and some like to eat one once in a while and it's all just fine with me, but I do think we should look after our fish population the best we can, dont bite off more than you can chew.

I myself like catch and release but I also will take a fish if I wanna eat it, it's not illegle, just do it within reasonable limits.

Fishing is a sport just like hunting, as long as it doesn't go waisted and is legal there is no prob.

 

So am I. I am very passionate about catch and release and can assure you I release a lot more fish than I keep. I really take pleasure in tagging fish. But every now and then I take one willingly or unwillingly.

I have caught fish though that I will never dream of posting.


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benniejordaan wrote:
Astrix wrote: Keep to the law that's all, some people like to catch and release and some like to eat one once in a while and it's all just fine with me, but I do think we should look after our fish population the best we can, dont bite off more than you can chew.

I myself like catch and release but I also will take a fish if I wanna eat it, it's not illegle, just do it within reasonable limits.

Fishing is a sport just like hunting, as long as it doesn't go waisted and is legal there is no prob.

 

So am I. I am very passionate about catch and release and can assure you I release a lot more fish than I keep. I really take pleasure in tagging fish. But every now and then I take one willingly or unwillingly.

I have caught fish though that I will never dream of posting.




and what would the reason be for not posting them? Negative comments? Illegal? Giving away fishing grounds?

Really a sincere question, nothing malicious intended. Just interested.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 03:29 pm
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adam5016 wrote: benniejordaan wrote:
Astrix wrote: Keep to the law that's all, some people like to catch and release and some like to eat one once in a while and it's all just fine with me, but I do think we should look after our fish population the best we can, dont bite off more than you can chew.

I myself like catch and release but I also will take a fish if I wanna eat it, it's not illegle, just do it within reasonable limits.

Fishing is a sport just like hunting, as long as it doesn't go waisted and is legal there is no prob.

 

So am I. I am very passionate about catch and release and can assure you I release a lot more fish than I keep. I really take pleasure in tagging fish. But every now and then I take one willingly or unwillingly.

I have caught fish though that I will never dream of posting.




and what would the reason be for not posting them? Negative comments? Illegal? Giving away fishing grounds?

Really a sincere question, nothing malicious intended. Just interested.

Illegal species and taboo species I guess. If I could I would tag and release but sometimes it just doesn't work out that way.

Last year I took 2 sailfish in one day! 2 days of fishing 12 anglers and no fish. I eventually found the sails and decided to take the first one I got for the pot as it was small. An hour later we hook another on 50lb gear. It was the anglers first sail and he wanted a pic holding it but although the fish initially seemed calm, on the boat it went ballistic, broke it's bill and it's tail against the transom. The fish would have died regardless so I kept it too. It is a shame but these things happen.

Imagine a pic of 2 dead sailfish side by side?

The banned species I don't think we need to discuss but lets just say not GW!

(I prepare myself for the comments):?


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hehe, I understand. Was always wondering, Isn't it a bit dangerous bringing a sail or marlin on board for pic?

Reminds me of a certain pic in stywe lyne a while back.

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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 06:53 pm
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Great to see that someone finally brought up this topic! Personally I feel that few things are more satisfying than having caught one for the pan. And no fish taste better than the one caught yourself. Pitty some guys don't get that...

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Hallo, Bennie

I think we are all on the same page, why return a fish that's badly injured and why go buy a fish when you can have the pleasure of cathing it yourself, angling is not for free it's not gonna do any damage taking one for the pot now and then.

I'm not keen on the freshwater fish but do like a very fresh salty and they tast best when fried the same day as caught no one can argue on that.

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Namibian23 wrote: Astrix wrote:
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One angler is not gonna save the world and according to me a conventional angler cannot destroy a fishing population from the shore if it's not bound to the habitat but fish like Galjoen etc. who's habitat is in the gullies I do believe can be fished to extinction by a shore angler. 

 

 


You may be surprised

A little girl was walking on the beach.... there were thousands of fish that had washed up on the beach still wriggling about... she was walking along, throwing them back 1 by one...

A grown man came walking up to her and ask what she's doing. "I'm throwing the fish back that are alive"  The man looked around and said "there are thousands of fish on the beach, you couldnt possible save them all.  What difference does it make?"

She replied "Mr, to that one i just threw back it makes all the difference in the world".

Keep fish.  Enjoy fish, i plan on keeping a few this weekend as well!  My pet hate is dusky kob.  Anything over 15kg.

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Those fish washed onto the beach for a reason........rather leave them lying there, nature works in strange ways....it is exactly when man interferes with Nature that the fornicate up starts!!!!!!!

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Craig you are funny.... not quite kraken quality yet, but your play with words is getting there...

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Suppose this is also a shame, when your little catch gets taxed

Well you know what who`s fault is this mine for fishing or the tax mans ?

That is the question

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