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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 04:27 pm
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Hi All please help?

This weekend I went and bought two Shimano 10000 GTEs and two rolls of braid(25lb/0.26mm Sufix & Rovex)

I made a line-tensioner with a threaded rod,2 nuts, 2 washers and 1 spring.Worked quite well to keep a constant tension on the line while the wife does the holding(off topic).

Problem:

According to the line diameter and capacity reading on the spools, I calculated that it should be able to take +-640 meters of the 0.26mm braid(if my math is correct).But as the line measure shows it only took 360 meters - 240m short of my calculations.Any ideas what might have caused these inconsistencies?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 04:34 pm
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The home made tensioner

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 04:35 pm
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Line diameter and capacity on spool

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Line measure 360 instead of 600+

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 04:38 pm
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Braid Line

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Filled spools, are they over filled?

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 05:35 pm
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Few things here.

1. If you are casting then your reels are horribly over filled and you'll lose 15-20% as a result of wind knots

2. Some braids are provided with diameters of the braid measured as flattened (until the Mircometer clicks) Inthe case of whiplash 50lbs the braid is given as 0.17mm but if you measure till where the micrometer touches both sides of the braid then it measures 0.27mm

3. When using the line mate you have then the braid should be wrapped around the orange wheel, 3 times as it will otherwise slip not giving an accurate reading, especially on thin braid.

Looking at that braid I would venture to say that if measured to where it would just touch both sides of the braid it'll probably measure at 0.35-0.38mm but with micrometer turned till it clicks will give the 0.26mm reading

Shimano 10 000 is bes suited to max 20lbs braid with 10-15lbs the better option. The reel doesn;t have a drag for more than 15lbs. I found out the hard way spinning for shad and picking up a 16kg Garrick, it popped all my drag washers and I all but hand lined the fish in

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 Posted: Sun Jan 8th, 2012 07:18 pm
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Yeah must agree, braid diameters are the worst, a good place to look is:

http://www.paulusjustfishing.com/4linetesting.htm

they have done tests on line. actual working diameters and actual measured breaking strains, it's a great reference for buying braid.

I think that braid diamter should be measured under tention using a micrometer to measure its approximate roundness. rather than seeing how flat you can squash it with a set of calipers to get a measurement.

i think some industry standards need to be set up, becuase most braid working diameters i have looked at have been much thicker than stated. making the packaging very misleading.




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 Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2012 06:36 pm
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Thanks Enigma

I have already started looking at 10 - 15Lb Braid.I will be rowing my lines in for the overfill of the spools.

I will remember the double wind for the line meter next time.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2012 06:38 pm
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Thanks metroFail

I have had a look at the site and have found it very interesting, the differences between the line test and diameters.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 11th, 2012 06:48 pm
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Hi I agree 100% with Enigma info given .

Just wondering if you tied the braid correctly onto the spool? Other wise the braid may slip under tension ?

You should have gone for the Big Pit models of Shimano.

Last edited on Thu Jan 12th, 2012 07:01 pm by FRITZABU

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 Posted: Thu Jan 12th, 2012 05:56 pm
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Hi Fritzabu

I hope I tied it correctly aswell...^^..


I Made a loop around the spool with a double granny knot and the another loop with a double granny knot...?

As for big pits, I thought that the line capacity was adequate on the Shimano reels I bought, until I found out(as advised above) that the braid diameter is not necessarily what is displayed on the packaging. Looking at the link supplied for the braid, I think I will be going for the sufix 832 Braid 10Lb if I can find a shop selling any.

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What you should do is first put a layer of Insulation tape or masking tape so the braid has something to grip on.

The smooth surface on the 10,000 spool allows no place for the braid to grip and the whole body of brad can sometimes come loose and the reel will turn inside the braid.

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