Sardine oil, any good an any tips.

nobbles

New member
Spoke to an old school barbel man. He convinced me to buy sardine oil an poor it over my bait. Any tips or suggestions on this?

Help will be great.

Thanks
 

Skuimkop

Sealiner
Daai olie het nog nooit vir my 'n verskil gemaak nie so ek gebruik dit nie meer nie en sal my geld ook nie weer op dit mors nie.
 

Unlimited

Sealiner
hier ook, even ox blood powdres has no extra advantage... if any i would think it would attract more smaller cats than large ones
 

Vicb

New member
The only advice I can give is that whatever you do, dnn't let the stuff leak out in your tackle box. Been there, done that & got a very smelly badge!
 

Ant86

Sealiner
Agree with all of the above. However I have used springbok blood dip/spray with slighty better results on day olds (at the Vaal river and harties)

 I have found that it makes no difference on carp fillets/heads.I completely drench them with this dip so that when they hit the water it looks like a mini shark attack. beware as the blood dip stains your hands for days

 

It made no difference to the size of the barbel it only attracted them a bit faster.
 

Bigdan

New member
You know what i think will be a good liquid, it is the Nash tackle Monster Crab. Smells awful but at the club comp me and the pen mate were the only 2 with barbel in our bags thanks to Monster crab and also got carp on them.

have a good one
 

Cheetha FS

Sealiner
Gave the oil and the sards a bash at diffrent venues with no sucess! In my opinion baits wich moves or that causes vibration in the water has almost a 100% chance of getting a hit.
 

nobbles

New member
The dam i have been tring at so far is Shongweni. I know what these fish take, i have spent many hours now with a whole selection of bait. Red brest heads with some guts will always get picked up at night. Have put sardine oil on the head and this has not increased the strike rate. I am of the thinking that barbel , although they have an exceptional sense of smell, will go for bait natural to their enviroment or their actual dam, will always out fish anything that is not natural. Smell as i have gathered is important, but ive tried all sorts of dips that have been recomended, but so far nothing has gotten an improved success rate. I will conduct these tests again in summer to get a conclusion. If you guys have anything you want me to try and report back feel free to ask.
 

Brakkanjan

Senior Member
Ek het vir my 'n spuit by die apteek gekoop waarmee jy 'n bout marineer of spuit wat oond toe gaan.

As ek weer gaan hengel vir baber gaan ek daai groot Shad-Kop neem en hom vol Anchovy-Oil Spuit voordat ek hom cast.

Ek is seker dit moet iets doen. Ek sal sommer ook die kuikens spuit die aand voordat ek gaan hengel en klaar 'n nommer 10 mustad hoek deurdruk en in die Freezer bere vir die volgende dag.

Deel van my nuwe dinge wat ek komende hengel-seisoen gaan probeer. Henkor het 'n gepreserveerde hoenderbloed waarmee ek al lekker klein babertjies saam met spring-wurms gevang het.

 
 

zulu-X-treme

Sealiner
I'm busy reading a book on fish behavior and I thought you guys might find this interesting...

"... Catfish are the taste champions of the world of fish. A single catfish has as many as 100,000 taste buds scattered over its body. Most of them are concentrated in the barbels, or feelers, that protrude on either side of the jaw like the whiskers on a cat. There are usually eight of these barbels that serve as external tongues, tasting various items in the water. With these barbels, catfish continuously test the water and the bottom mud to detect any taste of food. Without taste-sensitive barbels, species that live and feed on soft mud bottoms would have a serious handicap. As the fish roots around for it's food, it stirs up clouds of silt. The silt not only interferes with vision, making it impossible to see food, it also fills the water with a variety of organic smells that ooze from the bottom mud when it's disturbed. Odor perception becomes instantly confused. With vision and smell rendered useless much of the time, it is quite an advantage to the catfish to be able to taste it's way around..."

"... Catfish rely so heavily on their barbels for feeding that without them they could not locate any food. Since catfish normally taste or feel their food with their barbels, it stands to reason that they are more apt to locate bait that is on or near the bottom. They feed primarily on the bottom, and if the bait is suspended too far above their normal feeding zone, they may miss it..."

"... The chain response starts when the fish smells something that interests it. Becoming alert to the presence of food, it swims faster and begins to track down the source like a bird dog on the scent. Once its target is located, the fish first tests the nature of the substance with the external taste buds on its snout, barbels, or fins. If the fish likes what it finds, it puts the bait to the final test by deftly taking it into its mouth. At this moment, it will finally decide either to swallow the bait ot spit it out..."
 

Cheetha FS

Sealiner
zulu-X-treme wrote:
I'm busy reading a book on fish behavior and I thought you guys might find this interesting...

"... Catfish are the taste champions of the world of fish. A single catfish has as many as 100,000 taste buds scattered over its body. Most of them are concentrated in the barbels, or feelers, that protrude on either side of the jaw like the whiskers on a cat. There are usually eight of these barbels that serve as external tongues, tasting various items in the water. With these barbels, catfish continuously test the water and the bottom mud to detect any taste of food. Without taste-sensitive barbels, species that live and feed on soft mud bottoms would have a serious handicap. As the fish roots around for it's food, it stirs up clouds of silt. The silt not only interferes with vision, making it impossible to see food, it also fills the water with a variety of organic smells that ooze from the bottom mud when it's disturbed. Odor perception becomes instantly confused. With vision and smell rendered useless much of the time, it is quite an advantage to the catfish to be able to taste it's way around..."

"... Catfish rely so heavily on their barbels for feeding that without them they could not locate any food. Since catfish normally taste or feel their food with their barbels, it stands to reason that they are more apt to locate bait that is on or near the bottom. They feed primarily on the bottom, and if the bait is suspended too far above their normal feeding zone, they may miss it..."

"... The chain response starts when the fish smells something that interests it. Becoming alert to the presence of food, it swims faster and begins to track down the source like a bird dog on the scent. Once its target is located, the fish first tests the nature of the substance with the external taste buds on its snout, barbels, or fins. If the fish likes what it finds, it puts the bait to the final test by deftly taking it into its mouth. At this moment, it will finally decide either to swallow the bait ot spit it out..."
Very interesting piece there! It makes my mind wonder!
 

Skuimkop

Sealiner
Cheetha FS wrote:
zulu-X-treme wrote:
I'm busy reading a book on fish behavior and I thought you guys might find this interesting...

"... Catfish are the taste champions of the world of fish. A single catfish has as many as 100,000 taste buds scattered over its body. Most of them are concentrated in the barbels, or feelers, that protrude on either side of the jaw like the whiskers on a cat. There are usually eight of these barbels that serve as external tongues, tasting various items in the water. With these barbels, catfish continuously test the water and the bottom mud to detect any taste of food. Without taste-sensitive barbels, species that live and feed on soft mud bottoms would have a serious handicap. As the fish roots around for it's food, it stirs up clouds of silt. The silt not only interferes with vision, making it impossible to see food, it also fills the water with a variety of organic smells that ooze from the bottom mud when it's disturbed. Odor perception becomes instantly confused. With vision and smell rendered useless much of the time, it is quite an advantage to the catfish to be able to taste it's way around..."

"... Catfish rely so heavily on their barbels for feeding that without them they could not locate any food. Since catfish normally taste or feel their food with their barbels, it stands to reason that they are more apt to locate bait that is on or near the bottom. They feed primarily on the bottom, and if the bait is suspended too far above their normal feeding zone, they may miss it..."

"... The chain response starts when the fish smells something that interests it. Becoming alert to the presence of food, it swims faster and begins to track down the source like a bird dog on the scent. Once its target is located, the fish first tests the nature of the substance with the external taste buds on its snout, barbels, or fins. If the fish likes what it finds, it puts the bait to the final test by deftly taking it into its mouth. At this moment, it will finally decide either to swallow the bait ot spit it out..."
Very interesting piece there! It makes my mind wonder!
Ja ek het ook in een van my boeke gelees dat as jy 'n baber 'n pizza of iets sou kon gee hy op dit sal gaan le om dit te proe eerder as om dit in sy bek te prop om te proe. Daar staan dat 'n baber van slegs 15 cm al by die 250,000 taste buds oor sy lyf het. En dis een van die redes hoekom ek meer en meer weg beweeg van te veel bloed en ander geure en my suskes rate bly maar nog dieselfde.
 

zulu-X-treme

Sealiner
I think it's one thing attracting the fish to the bait using something 'strong' like sardine or anchovy oil. It's a completely different thing having him actually swallow it.

Who knows initially the scent could drive the fish 'crazy' and lead him right to your bait, but once he actually starts tasting it, maybe it's then that he has second thoughts?
 

Andre Laas

Sealiner
nobbles wrote:
The dam i have been tring at so far is Shongweni. I know what these fish take, i have spent many hours now with a whole selection of bait. Red brest heads with some guts will always get picked up at night. Have put sardine oil on the head and this has not increased the strike rate. I am of the thinking that barbel , although they have an exceptional sense of smell, will go for bait natural to their enviroment or their actual dam, will always out fish anything that is not natural. Smell as i have gathered is important, but ive tried all sorts of dips that have been recomended, but so far nothing has gotten an improved success rate. I will conduct these tests again in summer to get a conclusion. If you guys have anything you want me to try and report back feel free to ask.
 

How is the catfish angling in Shongweni? What is the average size you are getting?
 

Skuimkop

Sealiner
zulu-X-treme wrote:
I think it's one thing attracting the fish to the bait using something 'strong' like sardine or anchovy oil. It's a completely different thing having him actually swallow it.

Who knows initially the scent could drive the fish 'crazy' and lead him right to your bait, but once he actually starts tasting it, maybe it's then that he has second thoughts?

I tend to agree but I also believe that the catfish at a specific dam on a specific day will look for a certain food sourch that is eather easy to find, in abundance or just plain and simple tasting good and the catfish will 'hone' all his senses into the smells, sights and tastes of this bait/food and will gooi a 'pass' to the other food sourches available to get to what it is looking for. In short I call it the "day code".

Everyone or most of us must have seen, heard and even experienced it when someone gets to the water and uses a bait you never thought would have worked and/or don't have with you and he then murders the cats on the day. And when you try the same baits a couple of days later...... nothing.
 

nobbles

New member
There are alot of small cats at shongweni and fishig during the day from the bank is a waste of time. To many people and very few fish. At night conditions improve alot. Locals have pulled fish out past the 20kg mark.

 

With the bait im all for natural to the area bait. I beleve all dams will fsh different baits differently. A dam with lots of over hanging nest would be a great dam to try baby chickens on, the fish are already acustom to eating babay birds. An interesting point wold be to see f you picked up more fish during an actual nesting peroid.

I kow hat shongweni the cats seem to like a dead whole red breats tilapia or a larger ne. I have had all my takes and runs on tilapia this winter. Unatural baits have been tugged on bt nothing has run with it.
 

nobbles

New member
No never treid. I have a few spots that this method should work extremly well. But the fish that are in these shoals are all around 3 to 4 kg's. I have been dabbling with the idea of giving it try, but i am passionate about bait angling and feel more accomplashed when i hook a fish on bait. Done a hell of alot of lure fishing for bass and hooking a fish on lure doesnt have the same appeal to me as bait. But saying that id rather have a fish on the line than nothing at all.

I know a guy that has been testing a new rapala type lure he has made, and with just trolling the lure he has caught a cat everytme he has gone for a paddle. 
 
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