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 Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2011 12:27 pm
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Hi Guys

Just something i have been pondering about... Why do we put out fresh bait for carp every hour or 2, but leave catfish bait for longer periods?Yes i know they eat everything, but shouldnt a fresh bait attract them more? I mean we put out fresh carp heads, and wait sometimes longer than a day for a run... What do you guys think should be the average turn around time for baits on catfish? Stats show that most dams fish content are 70% cats, concluding that it should not take that long for a catfish to locate our bait...

Platties - 1 day

Fish head - 12 hours

Day old chick - 6 hours

Worms -4 hours

Ive thrown out heads and chicks, and sometimes after 8 to 12 hours nothing has happened yet. When you retrieve your bait, all the juicy meaty part are gone/white/eaten by crabs/hollow and empty.

Do you guys wait a few hours and rebait? Or leave it out a day or longer?

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 Posted: Tue Mar 29th, 2011 07:52 pm
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ek het nog altyd geglo dat jy jou karpkop uit sit 17:00 die middag,en by 09:00 die volgende oggend as nog niks gevat het nie,dan haal ek uit en rebait weer eers 17:00die middag. My 5cent.

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 Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2011 05:56 am
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Yeah ek los my goed ook nie te lank in nie

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 Posted: Wed Mar 30th, 2011 02:18 pm
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I leave it until I get a take - I also watch the water for movement and re-cast on that sometimes. I had takes within minutes of a re-cast .........I usually pour blood over my day old chicks as well !!

Julle maak my sommer lus vir baberhengel nou - wat is vout met julle ouens...!!!

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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2011 04:36 pm
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I also rebait regularly , as the fresh bait makes a big difference some times ,you a waiting for a pick but the bait is sitting between rocks where the barbel cannot spot it, so i think some time sit goes down to trial and error  and mostly how well do you know the venue.

In fishing i dont think there is a right or wrong sometimes it is just based on luck.

Just my 2c

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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2011 04:38 pm
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I think it is mainly  getting the bait in the right productive area , where the fish feeding.

 

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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2011 06:30 pm
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but the bait is sitting between rocks where the barbel cannot spot it
Trust me after the scientific study I read that I got from Prof Paul Skelton there is no doubt that a tekkie bek can smell your bait from miles away so I think sight is the last sense they will use in there search for food. The scientists in that study actualy speak of barbel as a 'swimming tongue'. And not in a jokingly way.

But yes it can be a problem if they can find the bait but can't get to it. lol

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 Posted: Thu Mar 31st, 2011 06:43 pm
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Soos genoem in 'n ander post begin ek te glo daar is 'n 'day code' wat jy moet probeer uitfigger en as jy dit reg kry gaan jy die snorre moor. Babers byt party keer op sulke vrot aas en nie omdat jy voerplek gemaak het deur jou longe en fnol los te kots nie maar omdat hulle op daai dag in ge-'hone' is op 'n spesifike vrot aas. Vang jy julle op daai dag op sulke vrot aas dan gaan jy baie honger huis toe gaan want jy gaan dan ordentlik maag leeg maak as jy die babers wil piets, hahaha. So kan hulle weer op vars fillets net byt die dag.

So wat ons pelle altyd probeer doen is om soveel moontlik stokke met die grootste moontlike aas verskeidenheid uit te kry en die 'day code' te crack. Ons het dit eenkeer met gekookte eiers reg gekry. Groot satasfaksie glo my. Hulle sal natuurlik hier en daar ook ander ase optel maar ek glo die kuns is om die regte aas vir die dag uit te figger.

Dus om jou vraag te beantwoord glo ek nie jou aas moet te lank lê nie want dan het jy nog nie die 'code' gecrack nie.

As ek vir die groot manne gaan met 2,5 kilo plus karpe as aas sal ek dat hy lank lê (5pm - so 10 / 11 am) as die uitsondering op die reël omdat ek 'deur' die kleiner babers wil vang om by die ooms se ooms uit te kom.

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 Posted: Mon Apr 4th, 2011 06:07 am
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Het die naweek by vaaldam gesien, as die koppe skaars in is, tel hulle vinnig op. Het n paar babers op dieselfde kop gevang (nie genoeg klein karpe gevang nie) en elke keer as hy dan weer uit gaan, le hy langer, het ook op gemerk dat n viskop baie beter as n fillet werk (logies maar moes dit beproef). Viskoppe was al wat die snorre die hele 3 dae wou gehad het, wou glad nie eers aan die dag oud kuikens raak nie, alhoewel ek 1 baer van so 3k op hom gevang het.

Het weereens gesukkel om n behoorlike "hook up" te kry wanneer ek viskoppe en fillets aan sit, selfs met groter hoeke en met die skelm hoek, maar het darem meer hook ups gekry as laas keer.

Het ook gesien hoe n baber my 11.5kg lyn breek in 10 sekondes na ek vas gekap het, kon nie my drag reg uit sort nie

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I tend to re-cast a lot, I have found that if you give your bait a little wind every now and again the movement attracts the fish. My 2c

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Unlimited wrote: Het die naweek by vaaldam gesien, as die koppe skaars in is, tel hulle vinnig op. Het n paar babers op dieselfde kop gevang (nie genoeg klein karpe gevang nie) en elke keer as hy dan weer uit gaan, le hy langer, het ook op gemerk dat n viskop baie beter as n fillet werk (logies maar moes dit beproef). Viskoppe was al wat die snorre die hele 3 dae wou gehad het, wou glad nie eers aan die dag oud kuikens raak nie, alhoewel ek 1 baer van so 3k op hom gevang het.

Het weereens gesukkel om n behoorlike "hook up" te kry wanneer ek viskoppe en fillets aan sit, selfs met groter hoeke en met die skelm hoek, maar het darem meer hook ups gekry as laas keer.

Het ook gesien hoe n baber my 11.5kg lyn breek in 10 sekondes na ek vas gekap het, kon nie my drag reg uit sort nie

Het jy al sirkel hoeke probeer?

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Jip het net 1 gehad en dis die baber wat die lyn gebreek het... Sal dit volgende keer meer probeer, maar kon nie die regte size by Western Accesories kry nie, en ek betaal nie R70 vir 3 sirkelhoeke nie

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Watter grootte soek jy? Ek het laas keer n pakkie van tien omtrent vir so R80 gekoop

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blydbaar moet mens hier by n nr 8/0 rond vat... dink my siesoen is nou klaar tot na die winter.

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Ek gebruik gewoonlik 4/0 tot 6/0 circle hoeke, maar pas gewoonlik die hoek by die aas wat ek gebruik, wat meeste van die tyd karp koppe is.

Ek  het gevind in die winter kan jy nogsteeds suksesvol babers hengel, ek het hul a selfs op vliegstok in die winter gevang.

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Heads vs Fillets,

2 weeks ago at the Vaal River we only caught on fillets,2 takes on the heads but more of a quick pick up run 3 or 4 seconds and drop again.

We caught one 4kg on a day old,usually the day olds are very productive.

ONLY carp fillets produced that particular weekend.

We now put out 2 rods each with different baits and try and crack the 'BAit code"

the biggest snor for the weekend was a 11,5 kg on a nice thick carp fillet.

I only use circles,
Eagle Claw 11/0
Mustad Zsteel 10/0
Owner 9/0
Gamakatsu 8/0 and 7/0
Owner 6/0
Mustad Demon Cirle 5/0

The Gamakatsu are great value,R30 for 5 in the 8/0 size.
Owner are more or less double.

The circles hooks out fished the skelm hooks 3 to 1.


The circle hooks allow you a lot more time,the fish basically hooks itself.

Perfect hook ups in the corner of the mouth.

Out of about 30 cats that we have caught on circles we have only had one gut hook.

Good Luck

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hulle is seker nie so aktief in die winter nie? Vat seker maar langer vir n hook up? bait style..

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Wat ek al gevind het in die winter is dat die babers skole form. Ek verkies om deur die middag in die winter te vang, van so 11:00 to 15:00 is die beste tyd. Aas hou ek maar dieselfde. Ek het ook gevind dat hul deur die middag in die vlak water kom le omdat die water warmer daar is, dit is waar ek hul gewoonlik op vlieg kry.

Dit nou als gese, die belangrikste ding deur die winter is om koue fronte dop te hou, solank die temperatuur konstant bly (al is dit koud) bly die visse voer.

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dankie sal dit in gedagte hou

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Julle almal praat hier van 'n sekere aas wat beter werk as die ander op die dag en dit is die 'day code' waarvan ek praat. Dit is asof hulle in-'hone' op daai spesifieke bait vir die dag en amper verby alles anders sal verby swem. Met oor die 250 000 'taste buds' op 'n babertjie van 30 cm se lyf kan ek dink dat hulle daai spesifieke baits sal soek (in-'hone') en as hy hom ruik gaan hy hom haal en verby die ander goodies swem. Onthou ook hulle kan 1 part (kom ons se kop olies) in 10 biljoen dele water 'ruik'. So hulle moet seker sekere geure 'uitsluit' anders sal hulle mal word met al die reuke in die water.

My zim $.

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