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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 07:25 pm
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Fanie
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Hi guys,

After visiting a customer a few days ago and heard what was going on in their area,  after just getting out of a very nasty period here ourselves I thought it a good idea to make a post regarding this.

My plea with each and every one of you is to please please please put up an outside alarm !

If you know what they do with people you will want to leave this figgin country right away.  It is not worth the risk, just take my word for it.  Your religion is not going to safeguard you ok, I heard some people use that as an excuse -  no further mentioning relgion here. 

Just because you don't see it on the news or in the papers doesn't mean it doesn't happen.  These things do happen around us every day and they won't post it in any media for various reasons.  We all are aware thet more than 3000 farmers has been murdered already - show me only 50 paper clips where it was mentioned in. 

Those of you with dogs that think you are ok - you are not.  There are many ways to get rid of a dog very very quickly.  Here are a few things they do. 

Quickstep, a cotton poison, aparently freely available off the street, a knifepoint in a piece of meat and your dog is dead in a few minutes.  We had our dogs poisonned here and it's not nice, especially for the wife and kids it's a traumatic experience, apart from the possible threat lurking outside. 

Doom that gets sprayed into the yard or at the dog burns the dogs eyes and air ways, they flee and go lie somewhere.  Brutes becomes fiefie.  Some okes don't pay attention to why their dogs bark in any case.  Pretty useless.

Sleep spray and spray-and-cook that gets squirted into a building have you and your dogs go into a very deep sleep.  The guy two houses from us had the pleasant surprise to wake up with only the bed they slept on left in his house.  Cleaned out completely.  They have three vicious alsations that foams around the mouth if any one gets close to the yard.  The mud spoor's could be seen clearly where the burglars stepped over or around the sleeping dogs.  They were lucky to be left alive.

If you have a roan they use a bit ch in heat to distract him.

So please think along the lines that your dogs are your pets and part of your family, and not part of your security system.

You are not safe inside a security area.  Oh we have lots of them here.  I also hear of some incidents there.  No where is safe except where YOU made it safe.

The advantages of having an outside security system is many. 

You will know if someone gets into your yard. 

Your family will be more security conscious if you use it every night, it just draws their attention and make them aware.  LOL it will also keep your teenage doughter from slipping away nightly to visit the boyfriend.

The surprise factor is on your side.  Beeg one, trust me.

Some time back we heard of many people sitting in the lounge watching TV, the next moment the lounge window explodes, and before any one could even get up they were staring into a gun muzzle.

Always assume they are armed.  Here they usually are.  There was an old couple who woke up from a noise.  The old man got his rifle and when their door was pushed open there stood THE BURGLAR.  The wife said to him 'Haai nee pappa kom ons praat eers net hom'.  As the old man lowered his riffle the second philamon shot the old man right between the eyes.  Will never forget it.  Never think they come for tea.

Some people put security doors inside the house, with burglar proofing over all the windows.  They still break in there, except they now start a fire that sufficate those locked inside.  Don't lock yourself up in a dead end.

Now, when you put the outside security system in, have the warning device so you will hear it when you are asleep.  Also make sure those outside will know they were detected.  In MOST cases they will leave right away.  If they won't leave despite the warning, then assume the worst and these are hard core criminals coming at you and your's with the worse of intentions.  We have gangs of up to 14 attacking a house, and they are usually armed - what are your chances if they are already half way in !

Your family should know what to do when the alarm goes off.  You can tune the system so you never get false alarms, althouh it is possible to get one.  Always treat it as a code red situaltion.

I have to warn you guys, your sweet wives are the ones that will put you all in danger.  They do not think logically and will run outside after the little dog for instance to save it.  Especially when the alarm goes off the third time the same night, they will ignore it, even give you some lip about it.  Note the burglars WILL trigger the alarm multiple times hoping you would switch it off when you get tired of answering false alarms.  Old trick.  Rather be tired and alive than refreshed and dead.

I told my wife, after doing some really stupid things in the past, if you do this or that I WILL hit you with the fist right in the face because I do not want this or that to happen to you.  I had to make her understand how serious it is and I could think of no other way to explain in a nice way.

Now if you came this far you hopefully get the idea.  If you do not have the money to buy an alarm, you can start and buy some components like PIR's (passive infrared detectors) and build your own system up.  It is not rocket science.  It doesn't have to be a complicated thing, it can work with very basic wiring.  If you know nothing about wiring now is a good time to learn some very basics.  We can do a basic crash course here under the general forum.

You can compensate so the alarm is not triggered by your dogs or cats.

Never assume anything is foolproof, you can get past ie PIR's if you know how.  Usually more than one detection device is used to prevent this.

 

I really hope you guys take what I suggest to heart here, I know it is never more inconvenient.  No I'm not selling anything, sorry.  Just free advice and suggestions.

I have designed a few security systems before and know a little on the subject. 

Request that you post here, It sometimes gets challenging to answer every PM or e-mail personally, and hopefully someone else would also benefit from your situation or question(s).

 

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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 07:45 pm
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Mike D
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Spot on the money Fanie, take a look also at Roboguard - an elevated perimeter intrussion detection, wireless alarm system and coupled with CCTV motion detection.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 07:46 pm
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Is it possible to connect an alarm to a normal motion detection light. Should be cheaper than an alarm.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 07:59 pm
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Mike D
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oomfaan wrote: Is it possible to connect an alarm to a normal motion detection light. Should be cheaper than an alarm.

Yes, but you'll be awake all night!

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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:14 pm
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Fanie
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an elevated perimeter intrussion detection, wireless alarm system and coupled with CCTV motion detection.

There are a lot of very nice and hitech systems available. Couple of notes regarding these -

Burglars will go to some trouble finding a way around these since they are standard stock.

The remote systems are actually easy to bypass if you know how - they all work the same way, the transmitter is in standby mode to save power and does not actively transmit frequently to the receiver - just use a strong transmitter and keep it transmitting on or around the same frequency.

The transmitter will have the receiver on the alarm receive rubbish hence reject it and you never get the warning !

The second problem is not all remote PIR's transmit to warn when a battery is low, and most people doesn't test their systems every day. Had many calls in the past, my PIR's not working for the last six months... replace abttery and good for ??? time. Kind of dicy.

I know wired systems are a pain in the @rse to install, but they still prove to be the best option.

Is it possible to connect an alarm to a normal motion detection light. Should be cheaper than an alarm.

Oomfaan the easiest is not to use an 'alarm', but a buzzer instead. You get piezo buzzers that draws next to nothing power and can be switched directly with the small relay inside the PIR except for one small problem.

The contact inside the PIR is normally closed, and opens up when the PIR is triggered.

The way to do this would be to buy a similar normally closed relay and have that activated through the normally closed contacts. When the PIR is triggered and it's NC contact opens, the small relay loses power, the contact closes and your buzzer sounds it's warning.

The small realay's are small enough to wire inside the PIR housing, it's coil connects to +12V and to the one contact of the PIR, the other contact connects to negative.

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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:24 pm
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Mike D
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"The remote systems are actually easy to bypass if you know how - they all work the same way, the transmitter is in standby mode to save power and does not actively transmit frequently to the receiver - just use a strong transmitter and keep it transmitting on or around the same frequency.

The transmitter will have the receiver on the alarm receive rubbish hence reject it and you never get the warning !

The second problem is not all remote PIR's transmit to warn when a battery is low, and most people doesn't test their systems every day. Had many calls in the past, my PIR's not working for the last six months... replace abttery and good for ??? time. Kind of dicy
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No, this system will detect and warn of the faults or "system intrussion", as well as warn of battery or remote degradation.


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 Posted: Fri Feb 25th, 2011 08:39 pm
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Mike, If any one wants to buy the system they are welcome to, as long as they are aware of the pitfalls some of these systems have.

Keep in mind most people are novices when it comes to wiring and electronics, so lets see if we can help them to get a system up.

Also take into consideration that remote PIR's and remote alarm receiver systems are a bit expensive. Not everyone may be able to afford them.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 05:16 am
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Agreed, any pitfalls should be exposed and there are so many systems with huge shortfalls, but then also if the system is a workable system and a solution, this should also be pointed out. This systems fault and tamper warning is a huge plus, added to the fact that it ignores motion such as wind.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 05:45 am
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very helpfull, thanks alot

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 10:53 am
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Whats a BURGLAR????

Someone who is going to steal all the stuff you worked so hard to obtain in your life.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 02:40 pm
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Nice post, Fanie

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 02:43 pm
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If it can save only one life then it would have been worth the effort.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 03:21 pm
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Thanks Fanie and Mike.

Please give proposals on a reasonable set up. I think many of us are in the dark when it come to electronics, eg. what to buy and why, dogs triggering it, people getting underneath it, wind, trees and plants ect.

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Unfortunately there is no single answer, simply because every one's place is different.

First decide if you want to do it. Half the okes will say yes but won't leave the couch.
The simplest is to make a basic drawing of your property and evaluate the ways the baddies will gain access to your place.

Here by us for instance they won't jump into our yard any more. They jump into the  neighbour's yard, go along and behind the wall undetected and jump into our's somewhere.

Check the plants you have, do they make nice hiding places ?
I recently trimmed all the trees & brushes bottom's so there isn't any hiding places. When you switch the outside lights on they are exposed and can be seen.

Once you have an idea where it's easy to gain access then think where you can have your PIR or beam so they would be cought when they proceed towards you. Sometimes one have more than one option, but the one makes installation easier then of course you choose that option.

I'm working on an easy DIY alarm thingy, will post the circuit when I think it's working and easy enough.

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Thanks!!

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 05:42 pm
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ignatius wrote: Thanks Fanie and Mike.

Please give proposals on a reasonable set up. I think many of us are in the dark when it come to electronics, eg. what to buy and why, dogs triggering it, people getting underneath it, wind, trees and plants ect.


Fanie is correct when he says " Unfortunately there is no single answer, simply because every one's place is different."

It is wise to have an independent assessment, in order to determine your requirements, this can only be done successfully in collaboration with yourself. You should also not be paying for such an assessment, but be cautioned that many out there will attempt to "supply" you with the unnecessary, and not always workable solution. There are products that will differentiate between "natural accepatable motion", such as animals, trees, wind etc..., such a system may also be coupled to your existing alarm or an independent alarm, as earlier described by Fanie. If you have an existing alarm, say coupled to an armed response company, then there is no reason why you shouldn't couple this to that system, but wisely suggested by Fanie, couple it to a warning device within the home also (eg: buzzer, siren, whatever).

Actually, this is a never ending subject, cause as rightly pointed out by Fanie, each individuals needs differ. There are however workable solutions though!

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is it ok to call other people BURGLARS?

No only the ones that break into your house and steals your stuff.

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Pylstert and Andrewrat,

Please stay on the topic or start your own thread if you have an issue. Calling someone a BURGLAR is a term I use and I don't care if you approve or not.

GO AWAY if you don't want to participate positively.

And you get your termonology in order or I delete and lock all further posts.

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 Posted: Sat Feb 26th, 2011 07:22 pm
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So then I can call other people a xxxxxxxxxxxx and its ok because it is a "term" I use?

Dont go there otherwise I will call you either suspended or banned

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