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 Posted: Tue Feb 1st, 2011 06:37 am
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Try chucking a slow sinking lure at those trees with the nesting birds in, cast on the exact same spot repeatedly for about 10 or so casts, then you'll get a nice surprise.

PS, where is this dam? LOL


Will attempt that, maybe a large plastic craw. This is Grootdraai dam just outside St Anderton, beautiful dam

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Groot draai has got big Cats and nasty weather, have not fished there myself but sounds like i have somewhere to go on Saturday now...LOL Try and get white lures eg punkinseeds or silicone blobs they represent brid poop and will do the trick big time...

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Groot draai has got big Cats and nasty weather, have not fished there myself but sounds like i have somewhere to go on Saturday now...LOL Try and get white lures eg punkinseeds or silicone blobs they represent brid poop and will do the trick big time...

I have fished with most things but bird poop imitation baits are a first lol. I have seen the large cats in the papers and have heard of the stories but am still to catch my own, have only really started targeting these buggers so shouldn't be long.

I have some good contacts in the area and can get access to most parts of the dam and some really good spots on the river. What is the success rate at the dam wall, have been told that the dam wall is one of the hottest spots for Barbel?

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Unfortunately i have not fished there myself.

I actually tried twisting my mate's arm to go this Saturday...LOL

But its a 200km drive on terrible roads.

Do you know how to look for barbel turning (gulping air?)

Damn, you just buggered up my entire work day, i wanna go fishing!!!! LOL

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Unfortunately i have not fished there myself.

I actually tried twisting my mate's arm to go this Saturday...LOL

But its a 200km drive on terrible roads.

Do you know how to look for barbel turning (gulping air?)

Damn, you just buggered up my entire work day, i wanna go fishing!!!! LOL


Ha ha sorry bud, most of my work days are like that! WRT to the turning I am not very clued up as I said very new to "hunting" barbel but don't seem to notice much top water movement on a normal day. Another thing is if barbel are normally active during the night how would you see them turning?

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Barbel are nocturnal, but we catch them early morning and late afternoon. I fish only with lures though. But night time is bait time. Difficult to explain the turning, but they basically come up and gulp air, it looks like a swirl

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I caught 3 barbel during December and January on red floaties at different venues. 200gm, 3.5kg and 1kg. Fluke or not?

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Naruto, I've heard of other guys HAMMERING big barbel at Die Hoek with earth worms with large red floats in front.....take away the float or change color....no dice....

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Barbel are nocturnal, but we catch them early morning and late afternoon. I fish only with lures though. But night time is bait time. Difficult to explain the turning, but they basically come up and gulp air, it looks like a swirl

The lure fishing sounds challenging, perhaps once I get my outboard for my inflatable I can have a shot at that. I will check out for swirls, get the idea.

Here is a pic of the tree in water with the weavers nests, water should be about 1.5m deep.

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Naruto, I've heard of other guys HAMMERING big barbel at Die Hoek with earth worms with large red floats in front.....take away the float or change color....no dice....

I don't think the barbel have great site hence the massive whiskers, what flavor where the red floaties, mine where sweet so pink sweets etc

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That there is the jackpot. you can work all around those trees!!!

If there are bigger birds (bigger bird = bigger turd) like cormorants you will also be on the money.

You don't need an outboard, oars are quiter.

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When the dam is flat like there on the photo you should be able to see where they are quite easily. I will try and take a video of how it is supposed to look.

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When the dam is flat like there on the photo you should be able to see where they are quite easily. I will try and take a video of how it is supposed to look.

Got it, bigger Bird = Bigger Turd = Bigger Slow sinking lure lol! There was a cormorant who was sitting on a submerged fence the whole day, looks like his spot.

The only thing that worries me is the fact that we did not see a swirl or hear a slurrrrp but as the evening progresses I have heard many a slurp

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They are there, you just need to know what to look for. The fact that you heard the slurps means that they are close by. I do not cast more than 40m out, if it is even that far. A carp head you can cast weightless.

Fish closer to shore, they come out and hunt.
They have a tremendously good sense of smell and vibration.

Also shallower water normally means warmer.

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Will be there on the weekend so can give it a shot, see what comes out.

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This is turning out to be a very informative topic. Thanks guys!

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Babers se temperamente verskil van dam tot dam, sommige damme se babers is baie stil en skrikkerig terwyl ander damme se babers amper oordadig vraatsig en agressief is.

Die babers breek nie noodwendig altyd in die oop water nie, as hulle skrikkerig is sal hulle soms teenaan die boom se stam gaan breek, en soms niks meer as net om saggies die water se oppervlak te steur nie.

Onthou as daar genoeg suurstof in die water is hoef die babers nie bo lug te kom skep nie. Hulle het twee stelle longe en die lug-long stel hulle in staat om letterlik in modder te kan oorleef lank nadat ander visse nie meer kan nie. Solank die baber nat bly kan hy onbeperk uit die water bly lewe, hy haal dan met sy lug-long asem.

Babers eet omtrent enige iets - en van uitsonderlike groot aas tot mikro organismes wat hulle deur hulle kiewe sif. Alhoewel hulle wel sekere kossoorte verkies (vis en voels) sal hulle brood, mieleies en ander plantaardige kos in die water ook eet. Bloemhof het een baie bekende baber gehad wat gereeld al die oewer hengelaars se pappe, mieleis en ander aas op 'n ry af opgetel het en en net bly swem het.

Natuurbewaring het hom een jaar in hulle net gevang, die hoeke uit sy bek verwyder en hom weer laat gaan. Hy was om en by 50kg.

Onthou as jy aas uisit wat op die bodem le - die bodem is nie altyd plat en gelyk nie. Ek dink dit gebeur soms dat die aas in 'n skeur of gleuf tussen klippe of in (die enigste) gat in sak en die vis kan die aas dan nie bykom om te eet nie. Alternatiewelik as daar struktuur is en die aas hang drie meter bo die bodem is die kans ook goed dat die vis nie die aas sak kry nie.  As daar slik op die bodem is kan die aas onder die slik bekland en die vis kry dit dan ook nie.

Babers bly nie noodwendig in dieselfde area nie. Hulle treg of skuif na waar dit vir hulle die gerieflikste is. In koue weer sal hulle eerder in diep water gaan le waar die water temperatuur konstant bly as om in water te wees waarvan die temperatuur gedurig verander.

Babers hou wel van warm water. Veral wanneer dit begin koel word, as die vlak water in baaie warm gebak word in die son trek die babers in die vlak water in. Hulle is dan ook meer aktief en die Lazy Ike of drywend vissie wat jy stadig op die oppervlakte laat swem werk dan baie goed. As dit koeler word trek hulle weer dieper water toe.

Wanneer die babers broei gaan dit soms met groot bakleiery gepaard, en in die vlak water lyk dit soms soos 'n groot dier wat aan die spartel is. Die mannetjies baklei letterlik met mekaar deur mekaar te byt om hulle weg te probeer hou van die wyfies af. Van die babers wat ons al gevang het (15 - 18kg) het baie groot bytmerke aan die rug en sye gehad wat deur ander baie groter babers gedoen was.

Tydens die gebroeiery stel hulle nie veel belang in eet nie, ek dink dit maak wel die hengelaar net so opgewonde soos die vis as hy tussen hulle staan en die water om hom kook so om, maar die uiteinde is soms so bietjie teleurstellend ;-) Jy kry hulle so tik tak om te byt.

Sekere tye is groter babers meer aktief as ander. Jy kan een 6kg baber na die ander vang en niks grotes nie. By 'n volgende geleentheid is die grotes skielik daar en heelwat meer aktief. Wat my soms die hoeners in maak is as jy sien hier's die babertjie en jy vang hom - dan trek daai monster so twee meter verder weg, die water in die baai rys sommer so wal op as hy daar uit swem.

Die olifante in die wildtuin stamp mos die jonger olifante teen die draad om te sien of dit hulle skok as hulle oor die draad wil klouter. Nou ek dink die groot baber doen dieselfde. Hy laat die kleintjies eerste die aas vat, en later as hulle sien dat dit veilig is byt hy net die kleintjie sodat die' die aas uitspoeg en dan eet hy dit.

Ok dis nou net 'n teorie, maar wie se. Die rerige groot babers het nie verniet so groot geword nie en ek sien nie veel 50kg+ babers uitkom nie. Ek het wel verskeie 2m+ babers al in lewende lywe gesien, maar nog nie een van hulle gevang nie. Nee, dit het niks met my persoonlikheid to doen nie :-D

Babers eet nie voels se mis nie.  Die kormorante mis half verteerde vissies uit wat die babers eet.  Die vissies sak stadig af bodem toe net soos wat jou pumpkinseed veronderstel is om te doen.  Die twee kry mekaar so halfpad en die baber dink dis 'n vissie.  Babers hou van bome omdat hulle die struktuur gebruik om prooi in voor te le.  Hulle kan ook op hulle sterte in die water staan en lyk dan soos 'n stomp in die water en nikvermoedende vissies wat dit naby waag word kos.

Ons het een maal babers gekry wat aan 'n dooie donkie gevreet het - op die water se rand.  Die babers seil op die modder uit, byt vas en maak so 'n doodsrol soos die krokkedille om die vleis af te breek en skiet dan in die water terug.  Nee ek twyfel of hulle die donkie self gevang het... :-o

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Why did the barbel pic up the mielie!
Toe ek die titel sien het ek amper gedag dis soos die een van 'Why did the chicken cross the road'

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Deon (Big Turd)= no big babel fish....

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lol, Ek dink die vrag is amper diselfde :) This is really interesting, it is just amazing how many different opinions and varied ideas there are on these Babers.

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