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 Posted: Tue Oct 19th, 2010 09:43 pm
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Hi guys

Been thinking about the fact that sharks role over the line and most of the times some thing give being it the hooks or steel because there is no play with all the cable in the trace,

The plan is as follows:

We add a spring mechanism of some sorts so there will be "give" in the setup. not sure where we can add the spring or springs, but it kinda makes sense??

Let me know what you guys think?

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 Posted: Wed Oct 20th, 2010 08:05 pm
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I am not at all familiar with Swimming live baits for sharks, but have read in some posts that they are slid out with a non return clip.

If so, the mechanism of the non return clip should give a bit and take a portion of the shock, unless you use the ones with those beads under the spring mechanism?


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 Posted: Wed Oct 20th, 2010 08:45 pm
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I also thought of something we use when fly fishing with very light tackle for trout in small streams. We make our leaders out of Maxima mono, and we boil the leaders. The boiling of the mono gives the line a huge amount of extra stretch and acts as a shock absorber so that the very thin tippet (which can have as little as 2lb breaking strain, 0.1mm) does not part when a fish snatches quickly at a fly or when it makes a sharp fast run. We do not boil the 2lb tippet, only the thicker sections of the leader (between 0.25mm and 0.40mm). The one important thing, is that it must be pure monofilament to boil it. Flourocarbon does not react well to the boiling.

Obviously this is the opposite end of the spectrum from shark fishing, and i am not sure how much breaking strain you will loose by boiling your shark leaders. It may not be plausible for your application, but if the breaking strain is not affected by the boiling of the leader, this will give you significantly more protection against the fish snapping the line when rolling.

It would be very interesting to hear if anyone has used this mono boiling for shark traces. Just thought i would mention it as a longshot.

Alternatively, you could always make a bimini twist out of 200lb steel! (Kidding!) :fbash


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 Posted: Wed Oct 20th, 2010 10:43 pm
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bastion, a swimbait trace is literally attached to the bait and it swims out by it self!

but you point on boiling the leader is a good one.

my thinking is based on the two arms of the swimbait trace, there is no give there, so when a fish rolls or flexes the hooks end up bracking, but with a spring there would be more give so to say when they attack the bait or swim away?

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 Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2010 08:31 am
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What about a shock leader Wrapped mono I will show you tonight

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 Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2010 08:42 am
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sounds like plan!

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 Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2010 04:21 pm
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Sounds goood in theory, but the spring would have to be strong enough to not be straightened during the fight and forgiving enough to give stretch when the fish wraps you.

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 Posted: Thu Oct 21st, 2010 05:53 pm
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Ah okay I get you Kopstamp. I did some reading of the swimbait traces and have a better understanding.

So the question is, if you had a link in the trace that was similar to that of the non return slide pushing up against a split ring, would that not help? Those are like heavy duty springs.

What i am thinking is you would tie your leader and then wire trace tied to a stopper ring. You would then make the equivalent of the "slide trace" which is a non return clip, but instead of the power swivel at the bottom where you would usually tie your wire trace for sliding, you have another solid ring (same as the stopper ring) where you can attach your two wire traces with a hook on each one.

So the spring on the non return clip is now your spring on the trace and instead of stretching the spring, it is compressed to give some shock absorption. I think that might be a safer bet as the stretching spring should be weaker? My guess is that a compressed spring will recover better than a stretched one.

The difference from a slide bait is, you don't cast out and then slide, but rather you attach the slide clip so it is already in position, then attach hooks to the bait and let it swim out? Spring is in place against the stopper.

I guess you could say this has lots of week points, but with some of the stuff the guys catch with the slide trace it would be interesting to see if it holds up.

again - i never swam out anything so you gotta take the opinion from where it comes. It just sounds like an interesting concept so thought i would mention it.


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 Posted: Thu Nov 4th, 2010 09:28 pm
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A spring won't help !
Neither will a twisted leader

Use stronger CABLE and hooks

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