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SWIMMING DIAMONDS FOR ZAMBEZIS  Rating:  Rating
 
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 Posted: Wed Jul 7th, 2010 05:50 pm
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During previous experiences in Mntunzini (Umlalazi reserve and Banks) and the big hidings and big disappointments I have decided to put feelers out regarding Swiming diamonds for Zambezis.

In discussion with Stringbean and after his past season's experiences it is clear that, while the Zambis love the Diamonds there are a few challenges in swimming diamonds for them.

While swimming diamonds i have seen that it is seldom a single Zambi attacking it but normally a pack and of different sizes.

I once swam a 50kg diamond that was hit less than 50m from the beach and all the action was on the surface. I saw 2 x 200kg class fish, 3 x 100kg class fish and there was obviously a few smaller ones below as I caught a 45kg Zambi on a 50kg diamond.

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I thought I had the answer with a 3/0 power swivel to 2 x 14/0 tuna hooks on 400lbs steel when I was given some interesting info from Stringbean.

Guys using a slide stop ring on heavy 100lbs tackle had their stop ring pulled apart and where using heavy swivels have their swivels broken. I suggested using 300lbs solid tungsten rings

This would appear to be just as risky as it has become clear in these discussions that the reason for this tackle failure is the hooking of 2 Zambezis and their pulling against one another at short range results in the rig failing.

Is this a regular problem or am I making a mountain out of a mole hill.

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The fact is the Zambezies eat the Diamond like a pankake, disabling it by taking chunks out the wings and then around and around, taking chunks out so the logical positioning of the hook is on the wings.

The danger in this is that if you hook the shark early in the feed and it takes off (and the other hook is embedded deep in the other wing) You beastie is going to be towing a 40-60kg chunk of diamond with him.

This could over pressure the rig, will attract other hunting sharks (blood and guts) and with your shark fleeing and another big shark taxing the bait (even not hooking up) could break the rig.

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My solution would be either a standard inline rig with 2 hooks in the middle of the bait, but they might just eat the wings and take another bait or will they eat the bait.

Using a hook in either wing then a solid XXXH Solid ring would be my next bet.

String bean then told me about a platted ring that can be made with 70-90kg fishing wire.

I made one with #6 wire and was absolutely astounded by it's strength and flex.

This is made using 1m of #6 wire and I tested it at 55kg direct pressure (all my scale reads to). It flexes out then returns to it's exact shape.

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Make a small loop (about 1.5cm in diameter

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Thread the tag end through repeatedly pulling it up to eliminate gaps and follow around and around

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Final trace connection - 2 x 400lbs steel to the hooks

1 x windon - nylon 1.8mm or 400lbs steel. In this app I would use steel thimbles but for pic purposes i have used plastic (demo only)

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 Posted: Thu Jul 8th, 2010 01:07 am
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Hey Enigma,Two 14/0's back to back with 7m+400lb wire or braided 175lb works very well placed just above the tail.In this way you won't be able to cover a large area on the skates wing,but you will reduce the weakpoints in your rig which is normally the ring,and you will reduce the likely hood of two Zambezies picking you up.This is going to be my trace for the coming Summer,i've also had those stopper rings open up on me before.

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Where can we get some of those plastic end clips ?

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Arno they are called thimbles and any shop that caters for big game fishing stocks them.

I know of plenty inland shops and I'm sure commercial marine will have them.

Finding the Stainless thimbles is a bit of a challenge though.

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Nemessis

The other rig that I have is much like the one you explain and after all that I have learnt of late I think it is the one I'll be using especially when there are plenty of nasties around.

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Yep thats another good trace that,Come Summer,Come;)

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When does the zambis arrive at Port elizabeth????

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Lol same time as the Bronzies reach here:)

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Arno Nel wrote: Where can we get some of those plastic end clips ?

Hiya Arno,

Commercial sells them R8 for 10. You can also buy the steel ones R20 for 10. They also sell krimp kits that have a whole variety of crimps and thimbles...not sure of the price?

@Fluffy...most of the real sharks arrive from September onwards. When you start catching Diamond and Blue Rays then you can be sure that the big toothies are around or not far behind!

@Enigma...Great post! Can't wait to get going!

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Trophy wrote:  They also sell krimp kits that have a whole variety of crimps and thimbles...not

R 179.00

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Enigma wrote: Final trace connection - 2 x 400lbs steel to the hooks

1 x windon - nylon 1.8mm or 400lbs steel. In this app I would use steel thimbles but for pic purposes i have used plastic (demo only)


Thanks Enigma, just one question, I know this is a demo but do you use crimps or only make the knots on the 400LB traces

 

the steel trace below, I have no idea how strong it is but is impossible to make a knot with it. 

 

I have same slide traces with two hooks as well, this was the first one I made at that time.

 


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On the youtube video where th guy catches the 1000 pound shark, he inserts only one hook close on the body of the ray, and not in the tip of the wing

I am beginning to wonder if one hook in a ray swimbait won't suffice?

Yes i know the sharks caught from land are not 1000 pounds, but if a pack of sharks or even one shark decides to make a meal of a ray, surely he / they are not going to just bite the wing off the ray and leave it, they will keep going until the ray is completely gone, so surely if you wait for the bait to be swallowed completely, you should go tight

I have no experience when it comes to this sort of fishing, but surely 1 hook in the central position of the ray and not the wing should still get you tight

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