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 Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 12:01 pm
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I fished a session at Flag Boshielo and within 14 hours the fish were showing reaction to the spod and by 30 hours we would spod 3 rockets and the put bait down onto the spod and fish between 7-10kg were on in minutes

Best Carp in that session were 4 over 10kg and all caught under the rocket with the biggest 14.4kg

We were spodding particle mix and boilies and within 12 hours we didn't get a bite on anything but a boilie.

We fed by spod four sessions of an hour a day and inbetween consistand topping up with 18mm boilies

My best session ever at Rietvlei was all on spodding.  We were spodding at arounf 70m tight against a weedbed and by day 3 the fish were milling on the spot and never spooking with spods falling regularly.  Biggest fish that session was 18kg and 2 others over 15kg.

Spod mix is always of highest quality and between feeding sessions we cook our mix and feed it still warm, with plenty boilie chop added

Was warned at an Outdoorpages shoot at Laurentia that the fish would spook under spodding.  End result 19 fish over 8kg in 20 hours with the biggest 14kg and 2 others over 10 and by far the most fish.  Fished 2 x markers very tighly with one rod on each, fed only mix of boilies 10mm, 14mm, 18mm and 20mm and occasionally boilie chop.  Rolled and cooked fresh boilies all day (for DVD shoot and put to good use)

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 Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 05:09 pm
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 Posted: Sat May 22nd, 2010 06:20 pm
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Depending on where we fish I find our fish destroy these perceived feeding beds within a few minutes or as little as an hour.

I saw some of the big names feeding and in USA saw Jamie Flowers and Billy Landers fish over a bed of 200kg of maize that they topped up every hour for 18 hours a day

I watched some of our big fish anglers fishing in Klaserie and fish over 400kg of feed over a 7 day session.

That's probably why we catch more fish in winter than summer. They slow down in feeding and hang around longer.

You have got to have food around for the fish to hang around and improve your chance of a bite.

Better quality bait will invariably lead to better quality fish. I don't have the money to make a feed bed in the dimensions that Henni du Preez or Martin Louw do so I go the route of a constant trickle of the right bait in a tight pattern to improve my chances of a catch.

I once dived on a swim in Tzaneen (crystal clear water 5m viz) and the guys had fed the swim with 25kg mielies and 25kg tigers the previous morning.

The reason they were getting no bites was that there was not even a single mielie left on the bottom. When had the fish cleaned it up and moved on?

Remember it's not only your trophy fish eating your feed, it's every carp moving through the swim that can eat your feed, the smaller ones won't pick up your rigged bait but they will gulp down the free offerings.

It's a lot more work but introducing that 50kg of feed in a constant trickle over the 2 days would in my opinion have kept feed on the bottom over 2 days and with a constant feed supply the bigger fish will hang in the area and chase the trash fish off.

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MadCarper wrote: Does anyone have the new bait rocket by Korda (MK11 Skyliner)?  I have the old Skyliner rocket and its done me very well. I'm looking at the new version as it is more stable in-flight, esp. in crosswinds, etc...

yes I use only these rockets and the new one especially. Best rocket on the market to date. Easy to cast and retrieve.

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 Posted: Mon May 24th, 2010 03:18 am
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Ah great so see someone can give me feedback on my question! Thanks Jacques. Will have to get me one.

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 Posted: Mon May 24th, 2010 05:26 am
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MC you can never make a mistake with any of the korda rockets, they are brilliant. Especially the skyraider when you need to spod further than 100m.

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 Posted: Mon May 24th, 2010 05:44 am
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I agree! I have both the Fox rocket and the Korda Skyliner, and prefer the Korda one!

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 Posted: Mon May 24th, 2010 06:48 am
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christodeb wrote: MC you can never make a mistake with any of the korda rockets, they are brilliant. Especially the skyraider when you need to spod further than 100m.

Christo - how many of them did you loose on the SA's. I lost 2. My total "consumtion" on these are about 5 a season.

 

Just ordered 2 more last week from UK online shop.

 

By the way - who stocks Korda in Gauteng?

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Korda was last stocked at the Fishing Pro Shop and Angling Africa

Rockets are just to expensive to keep losing them.

Invest in a proper spod rod, rather than using a stiff strong rod to do the job. Spod rods are designed to launch a spod, have fewer and larger guides and you loose a lot fewer rockets.

Marius and I spod 2 - 4 x 25l rockets in a 72 hour match and up to 140m and in Bloemhof SA's 2008, Trials 2008, SA's 2009 (Vaaldam), Sponsors Tournament 2009, Development International Namibia 2009, SA's 2010 and 3 leagues we haven't lost a Spod.

Broken 1 x Skyliner and 1 x Skyraider but lost, NO

0.60mm Nylon casting leader or 100lbs braid. 50lbs mainline on a decent spodding reel, ie a Big Pit reel filled to 1mm below full capacity

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 Posted: Tue May 25th, 2010 02:54 am
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Interesting topic but I hear Enigma mention that: When have the carp cleared the swim of maize without the angler even knowing about it?" - I watched a Nash DVD last night and he also mentions that many anglers don't even know that their swims have been cleaned out and that they actually had a take and the carp ejected the hookbait ....

At Tzaneen its exactly the same- the first beep on the alarm I was on the rod and winded down to a carp ... best U get on it first time.

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BP, problem is its very difficult to determine if that 1 beep is a carp or a liner, lol! I know at Rietvlei the carp can bite like that in winter, and I hate it!

I think even the best of the best out there in the world get outsmarted by carp, even the fanciest rigs as well. But I think if you get all the pieces of the puzzle right, chances are very slim that the carp will get away...

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Jacques wrote: christodeb wrote: MC you can never make a mistake with any of the korda rockets, they are brilliant. Especially the skyraider when you need to spod further than 100m.

Christo - how many of them did you loose on the SA's. I lost 2. My total "consumtion" on these are about 5 a season.

 

Just ordered 2 more last week from UK online shop.

 

By the way - who stocks Korda in Gauteng?
Jacques jy gaan vir my lag! Ons het nie een spod die hele SA's gegooi nie.

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............And Dean and Pieter who are SA champs only fed with the spod and boilie pipes. They feed a total of 150kg of all feed Balls, boilies and particles to catch a ton of fish......................

Much cheaper, concentrate the fish and fish on the principle of smaller numbe rof fish, better quality fish and concentrated schools to easily maintian tempo.

This SA we used our rocket as marker on the 1st and 3rd day.

On Day 1 at 100m, 4 rockets on line clip then leave it and drop a baited rig onto the feed

Same effect on day 3 but at 80m. This was the difference in the teams around us getting an average of 1.5kg and us getting 4kg per fish in the last 3 hours (9-12) and how we worked of the 30kg deficit from 9-12 to give us the win (Gauteng were matching us fish for fish but nowhere the same quality)

Ourselves and Dean managed 3kg average for the duration of the competition - maybe I shouldn't have told you all that........ use it don't use it............

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MC Sorry for messing up your thread.

The strange thing is that Ulrich and i was 70kg's behind the guys that were second in the zone with 18hours to go. That final period we only fed feed balls with the pipe, we never had a bulk session in that period. We kept on feeding 2 bals at a time, every 10 minutes. Eventually we made up the deficit and passed those guys. This gave us a 4th place overall at +/-316kg.

It's very interesting if you look at the amount of feed that some people put it. We fed a total of 4500 balls for the whole 72hours, where some guys put in as much as 17,000 balls!

At the end of the day anything can work, and there are no hard and fast rules to this game. The most importaint thing is never to give up trying different things!

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All your pegs did the same.

Those guys feeding 17,000 balls could in my opinion rather through money in the dam it doesn't do squat.

The feeding technique that you used \in the last session is what we do in the Night hours. Comes down to continuous trickle of feed and fed accurately.

Rocket feeding is exactly the same principle and is just

1. Cheaper
2. Less preparation than making 4500 x 30mm feedballs.

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I agree.

The reason why we did not want to use the rocket this time is because we had a terrible Freestate trials where we only managed 2.3kg per fish. We caught a lot of fish below the 1.5kg mark which cost us dearly! I am of the opinion that the particles had a lot to do with it. We fed 140 litres of maize over the 48hour period.

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no prob christodeb ;)

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Great topic. I will definitely use it.

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christodeb wrote:
I agree.

The reason why we did not want to use the rocket this time is because we had a terrible Freestate trials where we only managed 2.3kg per fish. We caught a lot of fish below the 1.5kg mark which cost us dearly! I am of the opinion that the particles had a lot to do with it. We fed 140 litres of maize over the 48hour period.


But add peanuts to that mix and keep the boilies going i with the pipe and you'll old the bigger fish. Remember the feed in the feed balls when they break down is finer than the particle?????????????

Sothe bigger fish eat the feedballs before they break down completely so wouldn't using boilies be better?

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Got to test another spod this weekend (illegal in comp environment - but boy cna it hurl a load of feed !!) - the Nash Deliverance Dumpster (311gr delivery). It also has golfball dimples and ensures true flight and acuracy is good. I also tested the new Fox Excocet as well - I much impoved FOx spod (however it does not deliver great amounts of bait). Positive is the distance that this baby can go ! Here are some pic's

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