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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:34 am
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Naruto
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Are there any post on rig construction? Or can someone maybe post pics etc on how to construct rigs and how to attach the rig to the mainline. I always just see the actual hairrigs, but not a alot of stuff on safety clips etc. and how to tie.attach them etc.

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:40 am
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dubz
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http://www.carp-fishing-tactics.com/leadcore-rigs-lead-clips.html

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:42 am
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Thanks! I thought maybe can have something on sealine, so it is available to everyone.

Made by sealiners, for sealiners - If you know what I mean.

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:50 am
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have you checked... http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=21360&forum_id=79

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:54 am
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It depends what material your mainline is, some anglers dont use shockleader because they use a boat to drop their bait, with me, i have shockleader of high abrasion mono.  i keep my knot small and strong, and use a simple polamar knot to attach my shock to leadcore.  Another method is to splice your main line through your leadcore about 4-5 cm and use a 5 turn grinner knot.  i find the latter to give me more confidence in my terminal tackle.


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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 06:58 am
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Sorry, the polamar knot is used after splicing a loop in leadcore

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CraigM, I saw that post, but there is nothing on how to actually connect the safety clip. And how each part works. Its all very technical for a newbie like me.


Gogjop wrote:
It depends what material your mainline is, some anglers dont use shockleader because they use a boat to drop their bait, with me, i have shockleader of high abrasion mono.  i keep my knot small and strong, and use a simple polamar knot to attach my shock to leadcore.  Another method is to splice your main line through your leadcore about 4-5 cm and use a 5 turn grinner knot.  i find the latter to give me more confidence in my terminal tackle.


Huh? Remember guys, I am still very new to specimen. I saw Basspro put up a post on how angry he got at Emmarentia about swivels connected to rig etc. What knot are you talkin about here? I really want to start specimen, but don't want top put the fish in danger by using the wrong setup etc. And I think there are a lot of other guys who will benefit from such an exercise.

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:13 am
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Sorry naruto, didn't know you are new to specimen.  I sommer got some pics from the net to try explain what i meant, but i think it will also be to your benifit to learn more about all the different knots. 

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:15 am
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Make a loop in leadcore

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:16 am
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Make knot, blood , polamar etc

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:17 am
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Splicing mainline through leadcore

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:19 am
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5 turn grinner knot.  There are other ways, but i never had to use them.  hope this help.

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:21 am
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Thanks a lot! And then how does the safety clip thing work?

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:22 am
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The 2 common rigs used, and once again, there are others, but never had to use them

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 07:29 am
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The safety clip on your rig is there for one reason, carp safety.  as seen above in the top picture.  Lets say if your line breaks at your leadcore knot , you basically have a carp with a hook in its mouth with a lead attached, that causes a lot of damage to the fish.  the safety clip alows the release of the lead as soon as the carp swims through reeds, snags and so forth.  so now there is no lead on the end of the hook and therefore less damage. 

I am thinking in afrikaans and writing in english, hope this makes sense.

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Nice insets Gogjob. Naruto, just go buy Fox Guide to Carp Fishing, lol! It covers everything you need to know... all I'm trying to say by that statement is that rig tying and end tackle setup is actually a huge subject, so it would be a looooonnnggg post, lol! Might be better to just add links to a new thread so that each person who wants to learn more about rigs and how to set them up, can follow the links...

just my 2cents.

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 08:35 am
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Some nice input here must say - Naruto I agree, get the Fox guide on rigs - U will not go far wrong ....

Excellent - if only some take the time like this to learn it will make a huge difference ... !!!

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 09:02 am
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thanks guys. Mana for you Gogjop.

My problem is that a lot of guys see the rigs already posted on sealine but then just tie it to the mainline anyway they want to without even thinking about carp safety as there are no guidelines that really explain/show the at least one right way of doing it. If I use a sliding weight on my mainline and then attach my hair to a swivel onto the mainline, will it be safe?

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I hear what you're saying Naruto. I'll try and put the main setups into some sort of guide and post it, and then ppl can add...

About your sliding weight question, yes, if you have a slidig weight on your mainline, it will be safe as long as you dont have another swivel between the sliding weight and the mainline... All that needs to happen is that if the mainline breaks, the sliding weight must be able to fall off and not be stuck on the piece of line that has broken off... hope that makes sense. But this also means that if you have a leader tied to your mainline, the weight must still be able to slide easily over the knot that joins mainline and leader....

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 Posted: Mon May 3rd, 2010 12:11 pm
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Interesting pic where the main line is spliced through the leadcore and attached via a grinner knot... I normally splice a loop into the leadcore, and attach the main line directly to the loop via a grinner knot... Question: is the example in the picture stronger than attaching to the loop?

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