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hndray

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Then there's the WARPDRIVE:

http://spaceref.com/nasa-hack-space/propulsion/clarifying-nasas-warp-drive-program.html

Few people know this but NASA actually has a warp drive program underway at Johnson Space Center. A recent article on the program created some open-ended questions that needed to be answered. The article seemed to imply that Harold White (who heads the project) had signed non-disclosure agreements such that he could not discuss public-funded research. That's a little unusual for NASA. So I sent a series of questions to Harold White and NASA PAO.



According to this article in Popular Science Warp Factor - A NASA scientist claims to be on the verge of faster-than-light travel: is he for real?

"The device looks like a large red velvet doughnut with wires tightly wound around a core, and it's one of two initiatives Eagleworks is pursuing, along with warp drive. It's also secret. When I ask about it, White tells me he can't disclose anything other than that the technology is further along than warp drive ... Yet when I ask how it would create the negative energy necessary to warp space-time he becomes evasive. "That gets into . . . I can tell you what I can tell you. I can't tell you what I can't tell you," he says. He explains that he has signed nondisclosure agreements that prevent him from revealing the particulars. I ask with whom he has the agreements. He says, "People come in and want to talk about some things. I just can't go into any more detail than that."

This got me wondering: Did Harold White sign NDAs as an individual? I am not sure how you can do that while working on taxpayer-funded projects as a NASA civil servant. Is this research SBU? Is it classified? Is he working for DARPA or some other funding entity while at NASA? Does NASA have Space Act Agreements or MOUs that it is not talking about? If this research is not SBU then why won't Harold White go into detail? How much is NASA spending on this anyway?

I just got this response from NASA JSC PAO:

"Forwarding Sonny White's answers to your questions:

Did Harold White sign NDAs as an individual or as a NASA civil servant? Who did he sign these NDAs with?

White has not signed any NDAs. The article has it backwards. In order for the Popular Science author to get briefed on the referenced technology, he would need to sign an NDA with the government as the noted technology has an invention disclosure. An NDA is the mechanism to protect the IP content, but still allow access to interested parties for consideration.

Is Harold White's Eagleworks advanced propulsion/warp drive research considered Sensitive But Unclassified (SBU) by NASA?

No, but some of the technology has invention disclosures in the NASA system, and this information is considered SBU. It still may be accessed by interested parties in industry, academia and government with the use of an NDA.

Is Harold White receiving DARPA or other external funding while working at NASA on his advanced propulsion/warp drive research?

Not at this time.

Does NASA have Space Act Agreements or MOUs with external entities related to White's advanced propulsion/warp drive research? If so who are these agreements with?

There are current discussions on a SAA and CRADA with industry partners, but specifics on these agreements are still in negotiation and are SBU.

How much has NASA already spent on this project? How much does it intend to spend on this project? Where do the funds for Eagleworks and White's advanced propulsion/warp drive research come from? JSC? HQ?

The scope and scale of this project is small and commensurate with a university effort. Most of the equipment was pulled from storage to minimize capital procurement. Total procurement to implement the warp field interferometer is ~$50k. The funding comes from JSC.

Was this advanced propulsion/warp drive research submitted to peer review at NASA JSC? At NASA HQ? Who made the funding decision(s)?

Yes, all projects no matter the scope or scale are put through the competitive process, whether through local JSC competitive processes, or more broad agency competitive processes. In addition, Dr. White has written a peer-reviewed paper on his research that will be published in the Journal of the British Interplanetary Society

Are progress reports made by White as to the progress that his research team has made on advanced propulsion/warp drive research? Are these reports available to the public?

White interfaces with the broader scientific and technical community through technical conferences and scientific journals. When milestones are reached, these results will be communicated with the broader community through the most appropriate and timely mechanism to facilitate distribution of the findings.

What scientific publications have White and his team made on advanced propulsion/warp drive research?

Talks and Publications on Space Warps to date:

- White, H., Warp Field Mechanics 101, Journal of the British Interplanetary Society, accepted 2013.
- Physics Colloquium on Warp Field Mechanics requested by Dickinson College, 2013.
- Encore of Warp Field Mechanics 102, technical presentation requested by SpaceVision 2012, Buffalo, NY 2012.
- Warp Field Mechanics 102, technical presentation given at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Houston, TX, 2012.
- Encore of Warp Field Mechanics 101, technical presentation requested by AIAA, Houston Chapter, Gilruth Center, Houston, TX, 2011.
- Warp Field Mechanics 101, technical presentation given at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, Orlando, FL, 2011, available at: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936_2011016932.pdf
- Successful defense of published paper "A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering" as part of Ph.D. candidacy process in Physics at Rice University 2007.
- White, H., E. W. Davis, The Alcubierre Warp Drive in Higher Dimensional Spacetime, in the proceedings of Space Technology and Applications International Forum (STAIF 2006), American Institute of Physics Conference Proceedings, Melville, New York, 2006.
- White, H., A Discussion of Space-Time Metric Engineering, General Relativity and Gravitation Journal, November 2003."



Starship Enterprise at Warp Speed
 

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AYOBA! wrote:
I am always here...watching...:cool:

MMM :::S I see..daar loer hulle....die spinnekoppe is hier, maar hulle se niks!

I have to look for the info I would like to share too Hndray, its very interesting and they are still theories, as the 'time' isnt 'earth' time or speed of light(as we know it to be)....its SPACE TIME

and its going to be faster than we can imagine!
 

hndray

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Some info to contemplate:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev.html

Warp Drive, When?

Ideas Based On What We’d Like To Achieve

The following section has a brief description of some ideas that have been suggested over the years for interstellar travel, ideas based on the sciences that do exist today.

•Worm Hole transportation
•Alcubierre’s "Warp Drive"
•Negative mass propulsion
•Millis’s hypothetical "Space Drives"

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Worm Hole transportation

Just when you thought it was confusing enough, those physicists had to come up with wormholes. Here’s the premise behind a "wormhole." [graphic]
 

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Although Special Relativity forbids objects to move faster than light within spacetime, it is known that spacetime itself can be warped and distorted. It takes an enormous amount of matter or energy to create such distortions, but distortions are possible, theoretically. To use an analogy: even if there were a speed limit to how fast a pencil could move across a piece of paper, the motion or changes to the paper is a separate issue. In the case of the wormhole, a shortcut is made by warping space (folding the paper) to connect two points that used to be separated. These theories are too new to have either been discounted or proven viable. And, yes, wormholes do invite the old time travel paradox problems again.

Here’s one way to build one:

First, collect a whole bunch of super-dense matter, such as matter from a neutron star. How much?- well enough to construct a ring the size of the Earth’s orbit around the Sun. Then build another ring where you want the other end of your wormhole. Next, just charge ‘em up to some incredible voltage, and spin them up to near the speed of light -- both of them.

No problem? Well if you could do all that, and notice you already had to be where you wanted to go to, I’m sure you could think of more clever ways to travel. Don’t expect any wormhole engineering any time soon. There are other ideas out there too - ideas that use "negative energy" to create and to keep the wormhole open.



Here’s what a naturally occurring wormhole might look like if it passed in front of another star. This painting is from Pat Rawlings
 

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Alcubierre’s "Warp Drive"

Here’s the premise behind the Alcubierre "warp drive": Although Special Relativity forbids objects to move faster than light within spacetime, it is unknown how fast spacetime itself can move. To use an analogy, imagine you are on one of those moving sidewalks that can be found in some airports. The Alcubierre warp drive is like one of those moving sidewalks. Although there may be a limit to how fast one can walk across the floor (analogous to the light speed limit), what about if you are on a moving section of floor that moves faster than you can walk (analogous to a moving section of spacetime)? In the case of the Alcubierre warp drive, this moving section of spacetime is created by expanding spacetime behind the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk emerges from underneath the floor), and by contracting spacetime in front of the ship (analogous to where the sidewalk goes back into the floor). The idea of expanding spacetime is not new. Using the "Inflationary Universe" perspective, for example, it is thought that spacetime expanded faster than the speed of light during the early moments of the Big Bang. So if spacetime can expand faster than the speed of light during the Big Bang, why not for our warp drive? These theories are too new to have either been discounted or proven viable.

Any other sticky issues?

Yes... First, to create this effect, you’ll need a ring of negative energy wrapped around the ship, and lots of it too. It is still debated in physics whether negative energy can exist. Classical physics tends toward a "no," while quantum physics leans to a "maybe, yes." Second, you’ll need a way to control this effect to turn it on and off at will. This will be especially tricky since this warp effect is a separate effect from the ship. Third, all this assumes that this whole "warp" would indeed move faster than the speed of light. This is a big unknown. And fourth, if all the previous issues weren’t tough enough, these concepts evoke the same time-travel paradoxes as the wormhole concepts.

Negative mass propulsion

It has been shown that is theoretically possible to create a continuously propulsive effect by the juxtaposition of negative and positive mass and that such a scheme does not violate conservation of momentum or energy. A crucial assumption to the success of this concept is that negative mass has negative inertia. Their combined interactions result in a sustained acceleration of both masses in the same direction. This concept dates back to at least 1957 with an analysis of the properties of hypothetical negative mass by Bondi, and has been revisited in the context of propulsion by Winterberg and Forward in the 1980’s.

Regarding the physics of negative mass, it is not known whether negative mass exists or if it is even theoretically allowed, but methods have been suggested to search for evidence of negative mass in the context of searching for astronomical evidence of wormholes.


Millis’s hypothetical "Space Drives"

A "space drive" can be defined as an idealized form of propulsion where the fundamental properties of matter and spacetime are used to create propulsive forces anywhere in space without having to carry and expel a reaction mass. Such an achievement would revolutionize space travel as it would circumvent the need for propellant. A variety of hypothetical space drives were created and analyzed by Millis to identify the specific problems that have to be solved to make such schemes plausible. These hypothetical drives are just briefly introduced here. Please note that these concepts are purely hypothetical constructs aimed to illustrate the remaining challenges. Before any of these space drives can become reality, a method must be discovered where a vehicle can create and control an external asymmetric force on itself without expelling a reaction mass and the method must satisfy conservation laws in the process.

[Note: This section is excerpted from Millis' "Challenge to Create the Space Drive," in the AIAA Journal of Propulsion and Power, Vol.13, No.5, pp. 577-582, Sept.-Oct. 1997. This 6 page report uses 7 hypothetical space drive concepts to highlight the unsolved physics and candidate next steps toward creating a propellantless space drive. It also contains figures for each concept which are not currently available electronically.]

Hypothetical Differential Sail: Analogous to the principles of an ideal radiometer vane, a net difference in radiation pressure exists across the reflecting and absorbing sides. It is assumed that space contains a background of some form of isotropic medium (like the vacuum fluctuations or Cosmic Background Radiation) that is constantly impinging on all sides of the sail.

Hypothetical Diode Sail: Analogous to a diode or one-way mirror, space radiation passes through one direction and reflects from the other creating a net difference in radiation pressure.

Hypothetical Induction Sail: Analogous to creating a pressure gradient in a fluid, the energy density of the impinging space radiation is raised behind the sail and lowered in front to create a net difference in radiation pressure across the sail.

Hypothetical Diametric Drive: This concept considers the possibility of creating a local gradient in a background scalar property of space (such as gravitational potential) by the juxtaposition of diametrically opposed field sources across the vehicle. This is directly analogous to negative mass propulsion. The diametric drive can also be considered analogous to creating a pressure source/sink in a space medium as suggested with the Induction Sail.

Hypothetical Pitch Drive: This concept entertains the possibility that somehow a localized slope in scalar potential is induced across the vehicle which causes forces on the vehicle. In contrast to the diametric drive presented earlier, it is assumed that such a slope can be created without the presence of a pair of point sources. It is not yet known if and how such an effect can be created.

Hypothetical Bias Drive: This concept entertains the possibility that the vehicle alters the properties of space itself, such as the gravitational constant, G, to create a local propulsive gradient. By modifying Newton’s constant to have a localized asymmetric bias, a local gradient similar to the Pitch Drive mechanism results.

Hypothetical Disjunction Drive: This concept entertains the possibility that the source of a field and that which reacts to a field can be separated. By displacing them in space, the reactant is shifted to a point where the field has a slope, thus producing reaction forces between the source and the reactant. Although existing evidence strongly suggests that the source, reactant, and inertial mass properties are inseparable, any future evidence to the contrary would have revolutionary implication to this propulsion application.
 

hndray

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While the above still lies somewhere in the realm of DREAMWARE here is some real work on short term possibilities:

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/propulsion_space.html


Space Propulsion



The NASA Glenn Research Center develops technology breakthroughs that expand America's ability to explore and understand our universe. Glenn pioneered liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen engines, the workhorses of the "space age." Missions from Apollo to the Space Shuttle have relied on chemical combustion. Along with new chemical engines, we are also developing new concepts, like electric propulsion and ion thrusters, that could provide safe, reliable and affordable trips to low Earth orbit and beyond.

Researchers at Glenn study advanced fuels and rocket engine technologies that will improve the performance of chemical rockets. One such technology, a high-energy rocket engine that uses a gelled propellant with higher density aluminum added to the fuel, was tested in our Research Combustion Lab.

Image below: NASA's Evolutionary Xenon Thruster (NEXT) undergoes testing in Glenn's Electric Propulsion Laboratory. Credit: NASA

Two major ion-development activities at Glenn--the High Power Electric Propulsion (HiPEP) ion engine and NASA's Evolutionary Xenon Thruster (NEXT)--continue to make advances. Another thruster developed at Glenn, the NASA-457M Hall thruster, is the largest ion thruster ever built and tested. It has shown more than 10 times more power and thrust than other such systems. The thruster will revolutionize the next generation of spacecraft, cutting in half some launch costs, enabling future missions to other planets, and more than doubling the weight of commercial payloads (like communications satellites) that can be transported to geostationary orbit.

Our research includes advanced chemical rockets and propellants; electric propulsion systems including ion thrusters, pulsed plasma thrusters and Hall thrusters; and nuclear thermal and nuclear electric propulsion.

Commercial applications include attitude control and station keeping for commercial satellites

Ion engine testing:
 

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Today in 1178 marks the 1178 Proposed time of origin of lunar crater Giordano Bruno
5 Canterbury monks report explosion on the moon (only such
observation known)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno_crater

Or did it?

http://science1.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2001/ast26apr_1/

Giordano Bruno -- Encyclopedia Britannica article about the Italian philosopher, astronomer, and mathematician for whom the lunar crater was named. Bruno lived in the 16th Century, but his beliefs were ahead of his time -- including the notion of an infinite universe with millions of life-bearing planets (at a time when the geocentric worldview prevailed). He was eventually condemned as a heretic and burned at the stake for his beliefs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno
 

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These pictures was taken by google earth. I stumbled upon it when looking up an address in Pinetown.

Is it a sign? :ifishin
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Mouldz wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
These pictures was taken by google earth. I stumbled upon it when looking up an address in Pinetown.

Is it a sign? :ifishin
Yeah its a sign that the oke needs to clean his windscreen
LOL, The guys from google don't drive around with camera taking snap shots with a Polaroid.. Hahaha

They have those roof top mounted cameras. Besides, then all the pics in that area would have the same marks. I'm not saying it's Alien. In fact I'm sure there is a logical explanation.
 

hndray

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benniejordaan wrote:
Mouldz wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
These pictures was taken by google earth. I stumbled upon it when looking up an address in Pinetown.

Is it a sign? :ifishin
Yeah its a sign that the oke needs to clean his windscreen
LOL, The guys from google don't drive around with camera taking snap shots with a Polaroid.. Hahaha

They have those roof top mounted cameras. Besides, then all the pics in that area would have the same marks. I'm not saying it's Alien. In fact I'm sure there is a logical explanation.

((goodp_

Yes! That's right they do have fairly sophisticated equipment, don't they? :SSS So it would be rather interesting to find out a little more about those pictures.

I wonder whether they are amenable to queries regarding their footage and where such queries should be addressed.
 

hndray

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Was Prehistoric Rock Art Strategically Placed to Reveal a Cosmological Puzzle?

June 19, 2013 — It is likely some of the most widespread and oldest art in the United States. Pieces of rock art dot the Appalachian Mountains, and research by University of Tennessee, Knoxville, anthropology professor Jan Simek finds each engraving or drawing is strategically placed to reveal a cosmological puzzle.

Recently, the discoveries of prehistoric rock art have become more common. With these discoveries comes a single giant one -- all these drawing and engravings map the prehistoric peoples' cosmological world.

The research led by Simek, president emeritus of the UT system and a distinguished professor of science, is published in this month's edition of the journal Antiquity. The paper is co-authored by Nick Herrmann of Mississippi State University, Alan Cressler of the U.S. Geological Survey and Sarah Sherwood of The University of the South.

The researchers proposed that rock art changed the natural landscape to reflect a three-dimensional universe central to the religion of the prehistoric Mississippian period.

"Our findings provide a window into what Native American societies were like beginning more than 6,000 years ago," said Simek. "They tell us that the prehistoric peoples in the Cumberland Plateau, a section of the Appalachian Mountains, used the rather distinctive upland environment to map their conceptual universe onto the natural world in which they lived."

Simek and his team analyzed 44 open- air art sites where the art is exposed to light and 50 cave art sites in the Cumberland Plateau using nondestructive, high-tech tools, such as a high-resolution laser scanner. Through analysis of the depictions, colors, and spatial organization, they found that the sites mimic the Southeastern native people's cosmological principles.

"The cosmological divisions of the universe were mapped onto the physical landscape using the relief of the Cumberland Plateau as a topographic canvas," said Simek.

The "upper world" included celestial bodies and weather forces personified in mythic characters that exerted influences on the human situation. Mostly open-air art sites located in high elevations touched by the sun and stars feature these images. Many of the images are drawn in the color red, which was associated with life.

The "middle world" represented the natural world. A mixture of open air and cave art sites hug the middle of the plateau and feature images of people, plants and animals of mostly secular character.

The "lower world" was characterized by darkness and danger, and was associated with death, transformation and renewal. The art sites, predominantly found in caves, feature otherworldly characters, supernatural serpents and dogs that accompanied dead humans on the path of souls. The inclusion of creatures such as birds and fish that could cross the three layers represents the belief that the boundaries were permeable. Many of these images are depicted in the color black, which was associated with death.

"This layered universe was a stage for a variety of actors that included heroes, monsters and creatures that could cross between the levels," Simek said.

Interestingly, weapons are rarely featured in any of the art sites.

Simek said the scale of the rendering is most impressive, noting the Cumberland Plateau was a sacred setting, spanning hundreds of miles, in which individual sites were only parts of a greater conceptual whole.

Read more at: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619122129.htm



This art features a bird holding ceremonial maces and a ceremonial monolithic axe transforming into a human face. (Credit: Jan Simek, Alan Cressler, Nicholas Herrmann and Sarah Sherwood/Antiquity Publications Ltd.)
 

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NASA's Voyager 1 Explores Final Frontier of Our 'Solar Bubble'

June 27, 2013 — Data from Voyager 1, now more than 11 billion miles (18 billion kilometers) from the sun, suggest the spacecraft is closer to becoming the first human-made object to reach interstellar space.

Voyager 1 and its twin spacecraft, Voyager 2, were launched in 1977. They toured Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune before embarking on their interstellar mission in 1990. They now aim to leave the heliosphere. Measuring the size of the heliosphere is part of the Voyagers' mission.

((wideeye)) Forty years to travel 18 billion kilometers. Over 50000km/h.

Read more at: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130627140803.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29
 

hndray

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http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/05/bizarre-6-inch-skeleton-shown-to.html



Bizarre 6-Inch Skeleton Shown to Be Human

Alien? Subhuman primate? Deformed child? Mummified fetus? The Internet is buzzing over the nature of "Ata," a bizarre 6-inch-long skeleton featured in a new documentary on UFOs. A Stanford University scientist who boldly entered the fray has now put to rest doubts about what species Ata belongs to. But the mystery is not over.

The story began 10 years ago, when the diminutive remains were reportedly found in a pouch in a ghost town in the Atacama Desert of Chile. Ata ended up in a private collection in Barcelona; producers of the film Sirius latched onto the bizarre mummy as evidence of alien life.

Last fall, immunologist Garry Nolan, director of the National Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute's Proteomics Center for Systems Immunology at Stanford in California, heard about Ata from a friend and contacted the filmmakers, offering to give them a scientific readout on the specimen. They asked him to give it a shot.

Among the apparent abnormalities, Ata sports 10 ribs instead of the usual 12 and a severely misshapen skull. "I asked our neonatal care unit how you would go about analyzing it. Had they seen this kind of syndrome before?" Nolan says. He was directed to pediatric radiologist Ralph Lachman, co-director of the International Skeletal Dysplasia Registry at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, California. "He literally wrote the book on pediatric bone disorders," Nolan says. Lachman was blown away, Nolan recalls: "He said, 'Wow, this is like nothing I've ever seen before.' "

To study the specimen, Nolan sought clues in Ata's genome. He initially presumed the specimen was tens or hundreds of thousands of years old—the Atacama Desert may be the driest spot on the planet, so Ata could have been preserved for eons. He consulted experts who had extracted DNA from bones of the Denisovans, an Asian relative of European Stone Age Neandertals. It turned out that their protocols weren't necessary. "The DNA was modern, abundant, and high quality," he says, indicating that the specimen is probably a few decades old.

To the chagrin of UFO hunters, Ata is decidedly of this world. After mapping more than 500 million reads to a reference human genome, equating to 17.7-fold coverage of the genome, Nolan concluded that Ata "is human, there's no doubt about it." Moreover, the specimen's B2 haplotype—a category of mitochondrial DNA—reveals that its mother was from the west coast of South America: Chile, that is.

Meanwhile, after examining x-rays, Lachman concluded that Aka's skeletal development, based on the density of the epiphyseal plates of the knees (growth plates at the end of long bones found only in children), surprisingly appears to be equivalent to that of a 6- to 8-year-old child. If that holds up, there are two possibilities, Nolan says. One, a long shot, is that Ata had a severe form of dwarfism, was actually born as a tiny human, and lived until that calendar age. To test that hypothesis, he will try to extract hemoglobin from the specimen's bone marrow and compare the relative amounts of fetal versus adult hemoglobin proteins. The second possibility is that Ata, the size of a 22-week-old fetus, suffered from a severe form of a rare rapid aging disease, progeria, and died in the womb or after premature birth.

Nolan hasn't yet turned up hits for genes known to be associated with progeria or dwarfism. He's stepping up the search for mutations through additional sequencing and casting a wider net. Another possibility is a teratogen: a birth defect-inducing toxicant along the lines of thalidomide. Nolan plans to analyze tissue using mass spectrometry to look for toxicants or metabolites. But reports of a handful of other Tom Thumb-sized skeletons from Russia and elsewhere have Nolan leaning toward a genetic explanation.

At least one expert has a more prosaic take—but agrees that the specimen is human. "This looks to me like a badly desiccated and mummified human fetus or premature stillbirth," says William Jungers, a paleoanthropologist and anatomist at Stony Brook University Medical Center in New York. He notes that "barely ossified and immature elements" of the hands and feet, and the wide open metopic suture, where the two frontal bones of the skull come together down the middle of the forehead. "Genetic anomalies are not evident, probably because there aren't any," he says. Nolan responds that the rib number and epiphyseal plate densities remain a riddle; while he is open to the fetus hypothesis, he thinks that the jury is still out.

Nolan's analysis went viral this week; besieged as he has been by the media circus, he doesn't regret having gotten involved in debunking a claim of alien life. "I'm thrilled with the outcome," he says. Once the analyses are complete, he says, he'll submit his findings for peer review. The other claim Nolan debunks is that Ata is an elaborate hoax. The x-rays clearly show these are real bones, complete with arterial shadows, he says. "You just couldn't fake it," he says, adding, with a laugh, "unless you were an alien."

Picture below: Otherworldly? X-rays show that Ata is no hoax, but its DNA will disappoint UFO buffs.

Credit: Courtesy of Garry Nolan
 

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The Atacama Humanoid does not need to originate from the stars to be an amazing thing. Surely understanding this being, a human and thus a part of the human condition, is vitally important to our understanding of humanity at large. Indeed, it would not be outside the realm of possibility that another such human could be born. In fact, a recent article by Lee Speigel suggests that the Atacama Humanoid may not be the only specimen of it’s kind.
Either way, a scientist’s suggestion that it’s not worth further ’worry or scrutiny’ is a strange position to take. Why end research or stifle inquiry into such an important issue? MORE information is needed, not less.

Just as the discovery of Homo floresiensis ("Flores Man", nicknamed "hobbit") as a new hominidae species was a vital step towards filling in the gaps in our knowledge base of human origins, so too should the Atacama Humanoid be examined at length for the same purposes.

Extract from: Atacama Humanoid: Stanford-Geneticist Says Specimen "not worth scrutiny"

http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=25675
 

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