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 Posted: Mon Aug 17th, 2009 09:24 am
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Thanks Enigma !!!!

AWESOME POST !

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great post enigma,will have to double read that to get it all in excellent post ::S

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Great! Thank you very much Enigma

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excellent post Enigma

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Excellent post Enigma, loads of useful tips and the pics say a thousand words .......

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Trophy wrote: Diya Devon,

Here is a link to some information.

http://nutshelltravel.com/NutShell%20Fishing/New%20Template/content_temp/Articles/article_beach_fishing_101/article_beach_fishing_101.htm

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Briljant T mana vir you

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 Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 08:59 pm
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Hiya Barry30,

Not sure where it has gone, but Enigma posted a quality reply with photos to illustrate.

I think it was moved by Admin to a sticky on one of the info threads. Well worth a read!

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 Posted: Tue Aug 18th, 2009 09:00 pm
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Great stuff Enigma, real usefull info thanx, mana to you

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Simen would you be so kind as to show me on this image where the sand bank, gully. rip etc is pls! Im at banana beach for 3 weeks and want to make the most of my fishing. I'm also using a kayak so not just rock and surf fishing.

 

 

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Can sombody please email me this post by enigma as i can not see the pics ^^..^^..^^..

 

my email is reynard.steynberg@exxaro.com

thanks in advance

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Trophy wrote: Hiya Barry30,

Not sure where it has gone, but Enigma posted a quality reply with photos to illustrate.

I think it was moved by Admin to a sticky on one of the info threads. Well worth a read!

Thanks,

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Post no. 11 ????

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an awesome post..... kudos to enigma :first

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Reefman wrote:
Trophy wrote: Hiya Barry30,

Not sure where it has gone, but Enigma posted a quality reply with photos to illustrate.

I think it was moved by Admin to a sticky on one of the info threads. Well worth a read!

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Sheesh Brett !!!
You give the PE boys a bad name !LOL
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Hiya Reefman, Homie

Serious case of lumpy brain last night...must have been brain dead after my drive back from EL.

Silly thing I did not notice that the thread had moved onto a second page!!

About giving PE boys a bad name...Oct just around the corner!

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Trophy wrote:
Hiya Reefman, Homie

Serious case of lumpy brain last night...must have been brain dead after my drive back from EL.

Silly thing I did not notice that the thread had moved onto a second page!!

About giving PE boys a bad name...Oct just around the corner!


LOL,
Just hammering your chokka ! LOL

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Homie wrote: Trophy wrote:
Hiya Reefman, Homie

Serious case of lumpy brain last night...must have been brain dead after my drive back from EL.

Silly thing I did not notice that the thread had moved onto a second page!!

About giving PE boys a bad name...Oct just around the corner!


LOL,
Just hammering your chokka ! LOL

All good...getting fishy feaver now for the Birthday Bash!

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heres a pic of my home grounds.
any comments

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Enigma wrote: Reading The Surf

Reading the surf to be able to identify where to fish and what species of fish to target is actually not reading the surf but from watching the surf, identifying the bottom structure in terms of depth, bottom material and currents

For fishing from a sand beach onto sand, what you are looking for is the formation and breaks in sandbanks and rip currents that form when the water from shore break waves is carried back out into the surf.

The formation of and gaps in sandbanks result in changes in current as swells as the tides move over them.

In some places reading the surf is easier as because there are surface signs of the underlying currents.



It is far easier to read the beach structure at low tide, as the water depth is lower and swells break further from the shore, or often, in the case of multiple roughly parallel gutters and banks, the waves will break more than once and over the troughs they will reform into swells.

When a wave jacks up and breaks, it is because the water is shallower than the depth of the wave. A wave is a form of energy and as high as the swell is above the water it is preceded (in front of) by another wave off energy traveling below the water.



As this lower wave comes into contact with the bottom of the beach it is slowed and the surface energy wave starts to overtake it and this causes the wave to crest and break.



The more sudden the change in depth, for example a rock reef the quicker the bottom wave of energy is slowed and its energy and water is welled upwards causing the wave (in surfing terms) to Jack up suddenly and break quicker and throw the lip over.





A gap in the sandbank would be more clearly indicated on the same swell that was breaking in a particular section, by a section of the swell that was not breaking as aggressively or not breaking at all.



This would be the case when the bottom depth is too great to force the swell to fold over. In other words, where the swell broke cleanly, the depth would be shallower than where that same swell did not break as cleanly or not at all. Where it did not break as cleanly, a gap in the Sandbank exists.



When the tide is higher, the water depth may be too deep to actually force swells to break as they pass over the sandbank. Instead, swells will peak as they pass over a more pronounced section of a sandbank, with the same swell not peaking at all or to a lesser degree where a trough or gap is present.

The presence of sandbanks can also be detected by looking for colour or upwelling of sand in the water, this is easier in clearer water or water with less sand hanging within it.

The shallow areas appear beige (the color of the sand) with the deeper areas appearing greener or bluer.



It is also important to be able to determine the presence of troughs. Troughs are the sections of deep water that are present between sandbanks or between the sandbanks and the beach itself. These troughs can be seen a rolling breaking wave reforms after is has broken over a bank.



Usually the swell that reforms is of much smaller than it was before it broke over the bank because much of it’s energy was lost when the preceding lower wave of energy hit the sandbank.

At higher tide stages, the waves may not actually break on the sandbank, but will peak to make them more obvious, with the swell being substantially smaller or apparently nonexistent in the trough. Because the trough is less affected by the preceding wave energy the bottom is not stirred up and appears clearer or bluer than where the sandbank is. There is also a lot less white foam over the trough area.

A rip is formed when the shore break crashes on the beach and the backwash is concentrated into a v-shaped funnel.



Normally, the breaking wave water and the backwash ebb and flow evenly, but sometimes, water ebbing from the south will flow to the north where it will collide with water flowing from the north to the south forming a dam of water that will be forced back out to sea.

These two bodies of water have a higher mass and flow out to sea with much greater speed and as always in nature they will choose the path of least resistance and this will be where there is a deeper channel leading out to sea. If there isn’t a channel this rip will cut a path out of the sandbanks to reset the equilibrium.



The rip that is now plowing through the sandbank acts as nature’s bulldozer exposing all manner off food as it destroys the sea bottom and is always an area where feeding fish can be found. The food picked up by this rip will gather in eddies that are normally found where a sandbank is adjacent to the deep troughs and the rip.

The rips will be more prevalent at high tides and although present at low tides they are normally a long way out.

Sometimes there will are no sandbars (this often happens after long stormy periods that wipe them out), but there will still be holes or pockets of deeper water, readable in the same manner (again, reading the surf is your tool to see the bottom of the sea bed without going diving to have a look)





Often when there are no sandbars, the shore break is very severe, causing a deep and abrupt drop-off immediately behind the shore break. When there are no sandbanks, the energy of swells is not at all dissipated until they reach the shoreline, resulting in powerful and violently breaking waves that literally pummel and paralyze baitfish and break clams.

Fish, in particular Steenbras and Kob in the South or Pompano and Kingfish in the North, often swim tight to the beach to take advantage of this situation. Accordingly, casting out as far as you can is not always the best option.



It is important to remember that both the formation and destruction of beach structure is caused by the wind and swells that are in constant motion and change. Accordingly beach structure is always changing, and a spot that held fish one morning may not hold fish the next as the structure may have changed.

A good tip is to check the surf at low tide, and come back to fish the last end of the incoming at spots you marked at low tide with above the high tide mark or on a handheld GPS.



A combination of effects can be seen here and as you can see from the selection of angling spot they're fishing out from the rip

Gr8 thread, so much to take in, awesome, thanks

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