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 Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 06:15 pm
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This was sent to us from Gary Thompson of WPDSAA. We would appreciate if you copuld forward comments on this to us as WPDSAA is doing a lot of work to assist all recreational anglers. It seems as if MCM is really turning on the pressure on recreational anglers, and WPDSAA needs all the support they can get to help us as anglers.


I was informed of a meeting called by MCM on Friday 31 July to be held on Monday 3rd August by Hymie Steyn. The Director of Inshore Fisheries Management called the meeting on the 27th July 2009. Taking into consideration the short notice period and that the meeting was taking place across the road from my office and that not many people could afford the time off work at short notice I decided to attend the meeting to represent SADSAA and WPDSAA.

The invitation was to stakeholder representatives affected by the policy on small scale fisheries currently under development and to consider a fourth interim relief measure for small scale fishers. The content of this e-mail is my personal interpretation of what has been happening in the background during the last eight months or so and my interpretation of the meeting, and some of the comments made which we should be aware of.

Background to what has happened during the past 8 month or so


  • As you are all aware there was the draft discussion paper on sustainable fishers which we submitted comments on. It would appear that this draft policy received lots of resistance and MCM kind of admitted there were some serious flaws in their proposal at the above mentioned meeting. It would appear that this proposed policy has now been shelved. Just shows how important it is that we respond these matters and make our voice heard.
  • Secondly, In November 2008 the Equality Court signed an order instructing MCM to issue relief fishing permits to traditional small scale fishers while a comprehensive fishing policy for this sector is being finalised and that the Minister should be ready to gazette a new small scale fishing policy by 30 June 2009, which has come and gone. My personal view is that MCM are now trying to get something done as quick as possible, and hence the sudden meeting called for today at such short notice. In this court order it would appear that a 1000 small scale fishers be given fishing rights to sell fish.
  • Thirdly, we now have a new Minister and MCM fall under the new department “Water & Environmental Affairs” and the Minister has instructed MCM to come up with a proposed interim relief measure for small scale fishers.
  • My perception is that MCM are doing a hasty exercise to find a solution around the failed sustainable fisher’s policy and to meet their court order, which is going to have some serious implications.
What is going to happen?

In my opinion, MCM have no other choice other than to allocate the 1000 fishers their rights as ordered, and there is a great possibility that this is going to be extended beyond the 1000 fishermen per the court order.

We all know we have one resource and we all know the resource is getting smaller, and more people are demanding their right to the resource.

That means that our recreational cut of the pie is going to be reduced even further.

Equality Court Oder

Unfortunately I can’t get hold of the actual court order and maybe Mr Hand can give us a hand in guiding us on how we can get hold of this court order. I believe it is important that we get hold of this order and if someone has a copy, will you please forward me a copy.

 

What I have is a copy of a press release by Masifundise Development Trust who took the matter to court and this is what it has to say….

“ Using the recreational total allowable catch allocation , the court order allows the Minister to give these fishers an exemption permit that departs from the original regulations by allowing them to catch a maximum of 20 crayfish on any given day of the week and a combination of 30 specified linefish per day . This catch may be sold which is not normally allowed under the recreational fishing regulations. Only a maximum of 1000 fishers, who meet stringent criteria, can benefit from this concession. Monitors will be employed and trained to ensure that the permit conditions are adhered to”

What is of concern to me is, it appears, that the order states that the recreational allowable catch allocation be used to accommodate these fishers. My second concern is that MCM are not going to look at other means and ways to accommodate the pressure on the resource, but purely take it away from the recreational fishermen as they are going to say that they were instructed to do so by the court. My question is can we appeal against this order and should we? Or are we just going to sit like lame ducks and let our rights be taken away.

Some comments made at the meeting for your information

  • MCM noted that they are responsible for the sustainable utilization of the natural resource
  • It was made clear that either you are a commercial or you are a recreational, but MCM did say that they believed there are 3 groups Commercial, Sustainable and Recreational
  • There was not enough people and resources available to monitor the implementation of the policy
  • The main problem facing the country now is “poverty and we need to find a relief for these people”. Recreational fishermen are not poor and do not rely on the resources and hence our allocation should be removed. There is one pot and it must be given to the poor
  • Not worried about the economic impact recreational fishermen have, it is about the poor people
  • Recreational fishermen are rich white people
  • Not enough transformation has taken place in the small scale fishing industry
  • The pervious verification process in allocating fishing rights was flawed
  • Using fish to reduce poverty is not going to solve the problem
  • As we speak there are hungry people, and they need the right to the resource
  • There is miscommunication between MCM and the Traditional Leaders, as the Traditional Leaders are telling their people to harvest fish and then their folk get arrested. Traditional leaders have no say in the use of “their resources”
  • Traditional fishers have been fishing for over a 100 years and their rights have been taken away and they want their rights back. Their rights violated and this needs to be reconsidered in the new allocations
  • There is different species and circumstances in the West Coast versus the East Coast and KZN and different studies and rules applied
  • Fronting in the allocation process is problematic
  • If the same rules applied as in the past we are going to see other species disappear like abalone, therefore new methodologies need to be looked at, but this does not appear to be happening, so we are going to see other species disappear
  • Commercials allocated specific species are harvesting other non licensed species (Hake taking Snoek, Tuna taking Yellowtail etc)
  • There must be an interim relief NOW
  • Important point made was that the interim relief provisions must be in line with the future policies otherwise people will be very upset when the rules change
  • How does MCM draw the imaginary line between inshore and offshore fisheries?
  • Traditional Knowledge is greater than the scientists knowledge
  • Expensive to catch 20 per day, unit cost hence not profitable, they want open allocations, as much as possible on a given day when the resource is ‘biting”
  • How long is the interim relief going to be? As long as it takes to formalise the new policies.
  • It was asked for a sunset clause be set on when the new policies are going to be implemented, as this interim relief is an open cheque book
  • Minister has asked for the new policy to be set within a year from now
  • Relook at the current benificiaries and there were errors in the past
  • Eastern Cape has been given 5000 exemptions to sell resources and KZN 1900
  • People are selling their quotas to commercials
  • Crew lists can not be used to disallow new rights as it has flaws
  • New beneficiaries must demonstrate they live off the sea
  • Recommendations that research be done on resources
  • Proven world wide that a natural resource will not solve poverty
  • Rather allocate rights to “Bakkies” and Chukkies” and not Ski Boats who travel from one area to another
  • Rock lobster TAC will be determined by the end of August
  • The rich recreational fishermen do not need access to the resource as a sport, we can go use other resources like climb mountains for recreation
  • The poor will turn to the resource eventually to put food on their tables, so must give to them now legally
  • Must have policing and enforecemnt in place before dispensation given
  • Suggestion that we all submit our concerns in writing before 7th August 2009
  • Middlemen are milking the poor people, the traditional fishermen are being exploited by larger entities
Future

I am of the opinion that there are going to be a whole lot of small scale fishers, the man on the street, who are going to receive the right to catch and sell fish and the recreational quota is going to be reduced. So do not be surprised if our bag limits are reduced by half, if not further, or even some species be limited only to small scale fishers, for example Yellowtail, and recreational fishermen not allowed access to certain species…

Suggested Actions

  • Obtain the equality court judgement
  • That SADSAA record our view before Friday 7th and lodge them with MCM
  • Get ready for legal action because our bag limits are going to be cut
  • Prepare ourselves for a crayfish bag limit of 2 per person per day, a shorter season etc. It is coming.
  • The SADSAA Action committee meet together with the SADSAA Resource Officer to plan a way forward immediately, we cant just sit and wait to see what is going to happen
  • Go to press???
  • Whatever it takes to get our voice and concerns heard
I am open for any calls or debates on this matter. Thanks for your time. Please accept any grammer, speelling etc as I want to get this out as soon as possible

Regards

Gary Thompson 

Chairman Western province Deep Sea Angling Association

Tel:          +27 21 408 7256

Mobile:     +27 83 702 2965

Fax:         +27 86 505 6884

       

gary.thompson@kpmg.co.za

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 Posted: Tue Aug 4th, 2009 06:39 pm
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Pathetic!!!! In the year 2009 , people still believe in "traditional healers" It shows you the lack of brains in this system!! MCM can not enforce laws!! Period!! They are lazy and incompetent.  I have had 3 run ins with MCM in the past and they did not even know what a Steenbras looks like!! It is like the SAPS , "I gotta de job, and I getta de pay!" There is no pride in what they do. To them it is a 9 to 5 that pays the bills. I have phoned the anti poaching hotline twice and if I did not put the phone down after 5 minutes of ringing , I would probably still be waiting Let me rather stop before I get banned!!

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Another thing: How in the F%$k are they going to decide who is a "Sustainable" fisherman??? Like the guy that treks on Strandfontein beach , he is a "rich , white person"!!!!!!!! He is not "struggling and/or hungry , trying to feed his family!! But he still has a permit to trek , wiping out schools of fish in one go!! CORRUPTION!!!!!

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So you and i the recreational angler who spends a small fortune on angling , permits ,entrance fees ahhhh the list is endless ,right down to the 10 buck tip u give a small youngster that opens a farm gate for u in the Kei ......are the bad boys and must bear the brunt ............... hmmmmmmmmmmm i smell a serious rat !!!!

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Mana: 
I am as keen a hunter as I (try to be) a ski boat angler.  Taking into consideration the often ill-informed/educated people you have to face in this kind of situation, the best is to put it in simple terms:
  • How much money does the S&R fisher generate for the country?viz boat license, Parks Board permit (at Langebaan), safety equipment, etc
  • We are easy targets to monitor and control at every slipway.
  • It is easy to find a list of all legally examined skippers (I'm also a SADSAA examiner and surveyor) as is required by law.
  • MCM does not have the resources to manage the current situation, let alone if things are complicated even more.
My experience in this kind of situation is not to go to the meeting/table with arguments, but rather with solutions for problems, and convince the other party of the benifits.
You know the saying:  Stuur hom in sy m#$r en laat hom uitsien na die trip!

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The following paragraph from a research study " SOUTHERN AFRICAN MARINE LINEFISH STATUS REPORTS" conducted by the ORI (Special Publication No2: June 2000) should be noted:


The open access recreational fishery is large and growing with approximately 500 000 participants in 1996 (Brouwer et al. 1997, Mann et al. 1997b, McGrath et al. 1997, Sauer et al. 1997). While less than six percent of marine anglers are affiliated to angling clubs and organizations, this fishery is divided into four distinct facets: rock and surf, deep sea, estuarine and spearfishing (van der Elst 1989). The importance of this fishery in meeting the recreational needs of the nation is considerable. Moreover, the infrastructure associated with tourism and the tackle manufacture industry make this a particularly valuable fishery, probably in excess of R 150 million per annum turnover (van der Elst and Adkin 1991).

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Also the following extract from a document titled "Responsible Recreational Linefish Initiative:
sustainable angling through understanding" by Ryan Palmer,Paul Cowley & Angus Paterson:

Contributers to this study were:

South African Institute for Aquatic Biodiversity
South African Environmental Observation Network
Oceanographic Research Institute
South African Network for Coastal and Oceanographic Research


The importance of the linefishery in South Africa

The linefishery is the third most important fishery economically in South Africa.
Targeting 200 species, the linefishery provides employment for an estimated 132000 people and contributes about R 2.2bn to the South African GDP. Although made up of both a commercial and recreational sector, the recreational component accounts for over 80% of the employment and revenue generated. This is not surprising as there are approximately 750 000 recreational anglers in the country, many of whom spend large amounts of money on fishing equipment and boats.

However, this multi-billion Rand industry is in a state of crisis. Of the most important linefish species in South Africa, at least 18 are classified as collapsed, 4 as over-exploited, 6 as optimally exploited and only 2 as under-exploited. Estuarine and shore anglers have been responsible for the over-fishing of estuarine dependent and surf zone species, while recreational ski-boat users as well as commercial linefishers have contributed to the collapse of many bottom-dwelling offshore species. With such a valuable resource at stake with so many species involved, it is in the best interest of all South Africa s linefish resource users to protect the fish stocks.
Understanding the need for management and the rationale behind the regulations in place is a good step towards working together towards a productive, sustainable fishery.

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Now this could be very intersting. They gonna issue a permit to fisherman to catch 30 fish a day, how they gonna fish? They are poor, where will they get boats?

Now this will open the door for many recrational boat fisherman. I can take myself and 6 crew on my boat, each catch 15 * 2kg fish at R25/kg = R750 income per angler. Me the boat owner will want between 40 and 50% of the catch for the use of my boat and feul, etc. It leaves me with R375 * 6 = R2250, used R1000 for fuel etc. R1250 profit on a bad day, could be R3000 to R4000 profit a day for me(the rich boat owner) with no permit, i dont even have to fish. Find the geelbek and its christmas.

 On this formula, 200 boats may be allowed to fish "comercial", I for 1 would be the first to do it.

Now the Q is: who will benifit the most from these permits, the fisherman or the "rich boat owner"? Sure the fisherman will make money, but with a 200 new "comercial" boats, how long will the fish stocks last? A couple of years? How will the court or MCM "help" the poor after that?

One more thing, what about the guys in Natal? If all these new "comercial" boats get in the geelbek and kob, how many will reach Natal each year? Not to many i believe. How they gonna help the okes in Natal?

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The okes (sustainable) I've seen on the beaches scrounge around recreational anglers looking for Sardine heads and leftovers. They must be poor. They also don't have/need licenses right? So they need bait and Now they need to catch the fish. Do the idiots who make these laws think that the "FISH" are also in on the game?. Millions of them are just going to queue up to jump onto the hooks of SUSTAINABLE fishermen and feed a hungry nation. Every guy on Sealine has spent or will spend big bucks looking for the secret weapon to get an "ON". You gotta love this new South Africa. When there were still fish on the South Coast about 4 years ago I used to see poor, hungry, half dead sustainable fishermen standing on the highway struggling to hold up stringers of 8 or more Shad for sale. When the motorist stopped 100m down the road it took the poor guy an hour to cover the distance to make the sale. So exhausted was he by this effort that he had to sit on the Armco railing for a further hour to get his strength back. He needed this for his trip across the busy highway to get to the shop to buy chicken. If the fish off our beaches are going to save the nation then the LEADER had better make a new law forcing all the Sardines onto the beaches so that our sustainable fishermen can each get 200kg of bait for the coming year. The Government will provide each angler with a good quality deep freeze for the storage of said bait. Once that "Plan is in Place" then they will have a nationwide Imbizu at all the new stadia built around the country. Transport provided by them on the new Gravy Train. Now I know where the 500,000 new jobs by December were coming from. Sustainable Fishermen. These guys are good. By decree of the leaders of our nation, the fishing's going to be great in the near future. They have spoken. Fish are all ears and heading to a beach near you. I can see the front page of the South Coast Herald. Sustainable Angler lands 14 huge Marlin off beach in Hibberdene using a rod built from bits found discarded. You caught these fish with that rusty old reel and line that has been joined all over? Ehhhhhhh. What will you do now? Buy a bakkie to get da feesh to da hihweey. Don't you guys here on Sealine have DSTV? Watch DSTV, don't listen to the politicians. You are better than that. HOW DO YOU PASS A LAW ON PIE IN THE SKY or in this case WATER. The only man I know of that could command the fish to come to the boat was the Good Lord. No disrespect intended. Seriosly guys...........................

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Hulle het ons belet om op die strande te ry omdat al die "wit ryk sosiale" hengelaars die strande opmors. Ek moet nou ook nie vergeet van daai verskoning die swart tobie nie, "ag shame" Hulle het probeer om ons kreefkwota's te sny en die seisoen te verkort en nou gaan hulle ons viskwotas nog verder sny. Ons is mos almal net ryk en wit wat sosiale hengelaars is.

Ek het Desember 2008 by Hondeklipbaai gaan kreef duik en ek he gesien wat die "bakkie-hengelaars" met die geld doen en hoeveel van die vangste word vir MCM weggesteek.(Ek wil julle amper verseker MCM het van daai vangste geweet)

Die sosiale/boot/klub/spies-hengelaar is verdeeld, dus hoekom ons geen stem het nie. Nou kom mense en vertel alles word vir bewaring gedoen, TWAK, TWAK,TWAK wat van die besoedeling van al die rioolplase wat in die see inloop.

Ek persoonlik is al so gatvol van hierdie aanmerkings dat ek wil opgooi. Ek is wit maar nie ryk nie, ek is trots op my taal, ek is trots op my geskiedenis en ek sal ver niemand in die lewe terug staan nie.

Al wat ek kan sê:

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killer strepie wrote: Hulle het ons belet om op die strande te ry omdat al die "wit ryk sosiale" hengelaars die strande opmors. Ek moet nou ook nie vergeet van daai verskoning die swart tobie nie, "ag shame" Hulle het probeer om ons kreefkwota's te sny en die seisoen te verkort en nou gaan hulle ons viskwotas nog verder sny. Ons is mos almal net ryk en wit wat sosiale hengelaars is.

Ek het Desember 2008 by Hondeklipbaai gaan kreef duik en ek he gesien wat die "bakkie-hengelaars" met die geld doen en hoeveel van die vangste word vir MCM weggesteek.(Ek wil julle amper verseker MCM het van daai vangste geweet)

Die sosiale/boot/klub/spies-hengelaar is verdeeld, dus hoekom ons geen stem het nie. Nou kom mense en vertel alles word vir bewaring gedoen, TWAK, TWAK,TWAK wat van die besoedeling van al die rioolplase wat in die see inloop.

Ek persoonlik is al so gatvol van hierdie aanmerkings dat ek wil opgooi. Ek is wit maar nie ryk nie, ek is trots op my taal, ek is trots op my geskiedenis en ek sal ver niemand in die lewe terug staan nie.

Al wat ek kan sê:

VAT DIE BUL BY DIE HORINGS

Los my horings uit!!! Boet, Dis 'n na aap ding. Eers het hulle 'n Merc gekry. Hulle kan dit skaars bestuur. Die ouens kan nie swem nie. Waaroor bekommer jy jou?. Dis al weer 1 April. Elke dag is 1 April. Kry DSTV!!!

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 Posted: Wed Aug 5th, 2009 07:23 am
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Hiya

Just to play devils advocate!!:SSS

Lets look at the so called 'subsistance' fisherman, that is being referred to. To understand them or their plight, one needs to go into their history.

All along our bueatiful coastline, we have quiant little fishing villages. Think of places like Paternoster, Arniston, etc. These are villages that came into existance, because of the good fishing in the area. The vast majority of citizens living them were fisherman. Their fathers and grandfather and great-grandfathers were all fisherman. That is how they made a living. There was no other businesses, as these were small fishing villages. No big corporate companies, so their only form of income was from the sea.

A few years back, MCM realised what a shambles the fishing industry was in. In their attempt to rectify matters, but making the commercial fleet SMALLER, they did NOT issue licences to MANY commercial boats. The net result, many of these smaller villages were left with-out a source of income. There was a HUGE outcry and plenty of newspaper reports and television exposures.

These people were now unemployed, have no viable skills to trade with and because they were so far from the big cities, employment opportunities were virtually zero.

Remember, these are people who have been fishing their entire lives. Generations before them have been doing the same, and NOW they're told, you can't fish anymore. The sad reality is that they FISH literally to put food on the table.

THESE are the subsistance fisherman that they are talking about. Last time i heard, there was no reference to them being able to fish off boats, merely rock and surf fishing........

Food for thought........

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miles wrote: Hiya

Just to play devils advocate!!:SSS

Lets look at the so called 'subsistance' fisherman, that is being referred to. To understand them or their plight, one needs to go into their history.

All along our bueatiful coastline, we have quiant little fishing villages. Think of places like Paternoster, Arniston, etc. These are villages that came into existance, because of the good fishing in the area. The vast majority of citizens living them were fisherman. Their fathers and grandfather and great-grandfathers were all fisherman. That is how they made a living. There was no other businesses, as these were small fishing villages. No big corporate companies, so their only form of income was from the sea.

A few years back, MCM realised what a shambles the fishing industry was in. In their attempt to rectify matters, but making the commercial fleet SMALLER, they did NOT issue licences to MANY commercial boats. The net result, many of these smaller villages were left with-out a source of income. There was a HUGE outcry and plenty of newspaper reports and television exposures.

These people were now unemployed, have no viable skills to trade with and because they were so far from the big cities, employment opportunities were virtually zero.

Remember, these are people who have been fishing their entire lives. Generations before them have been doing the same, and NOW they're told, you can't fish anymore. The sad reality is that they FISH literally to put food on the table.

THESE are the subsistance fisherman that they are talking about. Last time i heard, there was no reference to them being able to fish off boats, merely rock and surf fishing........

Food for thought........

Sorry dude. I never read the fine print. I was thinking more of the poaching, car chasing KZN roadrunners!!!

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tauruck wrote: killer strepie wrote: Hulle het ons belet om op die strande te ry omdat al die "wit ryk sosiale" hengelaars die strande opmors. Ek moet nou ook nie vergeet van daai verskoning die swart tobie nie, "ag shame" Hulle het probeer om ons kreefkwota's te sny en die seisoen te verkort en nou gaan hulle ons viskwotas nog verder sny. Ons is mos almal net ryk en wit wat sosiale hengelaars is.

Ek het Desember 2008 by Hondeklipbaai gaan kreef duik en ek he gesien wat die "bakkie-hengelaars" met die geld doen en hoeveel van die vangste word vir MCM weggesteek.(Ek wil julle amper verseker MCM het van daai vangste geweet)

Die sosiale/boot/klub/spies-hengelaar is verdeeld, dus hoekom ons geen stem het nie. Nou kom mense en vertel alles word vir bewaring gedoen, TWAK, TWAK,TWAK wat van die besoedeling van al die rioolplase wat in die see inloop.

Ek persoonlik is al so gatvol van hierdie aanmerkings dat ek wil opgooi. Ek is wit maar nie ryk nie, ek is trots op my taal, ek is trots op my geskiedenis en ek sal ver niemand in die lewe terug staan nie.

Al wat ek kan sê:

VAT DIE BUL BY DIE HORINGS

Los my horings uit!!! Boet, Dis 'n na aap ding. Eers het hulle 'n Merc gekry. Hulle kan dit skaars bestuur. Die ouens kan nie swem nie. Waaroor bekommer jy jou?. Dis al weer 1 April. Elke dag is 1 April. Kry DSTV!!!

Ja, jy is seker reg, ek is net so gatvol van hierdie soort ding.

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juanita,

I found a copy of the court order and attach it herewith.  I have not studied it yet, but it might help.

:D:D

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miles wrote:

Remember, these are people who have been fishing their entire lives. Generations before them have been doing the same, and NOW they're told, you can't fish anymore. The sad reality is that they FISH literally to put food on the table.


Food for thought........

And by no means are they getting rich through doing it.... It is a way of living and surviving.

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This is SUCH a can of worms. One thing that bothered my during the sardine run recently was all the undersized blacktail and other bream that was being kept by the netters' crew - but I also know these guys do not have access or money for much protein.

Same for traditional fishers, although I do believe most of those are found in the Cape provinces, not so many "traditional" fishers in KZN.

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Heres my conspiracy theory.

All these steps MCM are taking are taken because of insufficient funds to do the job they are meant to. They themselves have admitted to this. The only way they can attempt to control a specific area is to close it off completely, more MPA's in other words. What this does however is open the door completely to poachers who can now enter these areas with little chance of being spotted. Reason being that there are no or very few recreational people in such areas and certainly not enough MCM personnel.

But why does MCM not have any money? Because the powers that be are in cohoots with the market for our marine resource and dont want the likes of MCM getting in the way of their business. How long has perlemoen poaching been a thriving business? And what has been done about it? The ones that get caught are probably the ones that have "jumped ship" and found a new buyer. Only to be set up by their previous buyer or funder.

Focussing on the abalone poaching is also a nice way of turning attention away from the rest of the marine resource that is being raped as well. West coast rock lobster, hake, chokka .... etc

We can protest and rave until the cows come home but as long as MCM is bankrupt and corrupt nothing is going to change.Except of course our bag limits and visits to the tackle shop.

I drove back from Muizenberg along Strandfontein road last week-end, there were guys standing along the road selling galjoen !!! Not snoek, galjoen.

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I fished amongs 64 other boats for 13 years in Plett. My rights was also taken away to fish as a semi comersial as the rest of the fleet. Factorys closed down witin a week. 7000 people lost there jobs there and then. Crime picked up to 80% in the regan. I was 40years at the time. Now who gonne emploi me at that age. I emploid 4guys that got an averige of R6000- R8000 a month. They cried like babies when i told them it is all gone and this is the doing of your covermant saying they wil create job oppertineties and reduse poverty in the new SA. They dit the opposite here. What a joke. It is gonne get lot worse with all the ileegals entering at free will.
Die feit is SA se gebiedswater is nou die wereld se visvang plek en ons regeering laat dit toe. Ek as n burger van die land moet nou trugstaan vir die wereld se honger mense om ons vis op te vreet en ek mag self niks se nie. Selfde met al die Robbe langs die kus. Die goed vreet sy eie gewig aan vis elke dag. N dier het meer regte as n mens gekry. Robbe is van geen nut vir die menslike ras op aarde nie en is inteendeel in n geveg op oorlewing teen die mens. Dink daar moet n plan met die aanwas van die robbe gedoen word soos parkeraad olifante cul omdat hulle te veel raak en kos te min word.


Selution for poverty and hunger.

 

Feed the poor to the hungry. Thats just a joke!!!!!

Last edited on Wed Aug 5th, 2009 09:43 pm by Sailfish

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