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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 06:07 am
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Good morning to all.

I hope the lockdown is treating your as well as can be expected. For one, I will be doing some winter fishing here in Cape Town seeing that the end of summer/autumn was a no go. I have searched the forum and could not find answers to the following. Your assistance will be much appreciated. Even if it just a reference to a thread or link. Thank you in advance:
1. Braid backing to braid casting knot. i have reviewed Doc's comments. Their must be a simpler knot than stitching.
2. Braid casting to braid leader knot
3. How to make your own braided leaders. Pound rating for edibles (max 6 ounce combined weight and bait) and non-eds (8-9 ounce combined)

Finally, thank you very much to Brandon for all the assistance regarding guides and guide placement. He has been very patient with me and always eager to assist.
Brandon, your a champion.

Kind regards,
Pierre

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 08:21 am
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1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MitgmCTUc9I :quite a nifty little trick that works great for joining your backing to your topshot.
Just make sure the thicker piece of braid is tucked away at the bottom of the spool since the mainline tend to get caught on it when you eventually get to your backing while fighting a fish.
Otherwise make a bimini twist in both the backing and topshot and join them using a catspaw.
2- Again, use an fg knot.
3- You cant make your own braided leaders.
Just buy some braided leaders from either JDB, Grinder or Boss braid.
I use 120lb JDB for edibles and some smaller non eds from the surf and haven't had issues so far.

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 08:44 am
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Pragtig Jean, nou verstaan ek mooi. Baie dankie.

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 09:08 am
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I attach my backing braid to my casting braid with two spider hitches and a cats paw. Others use a bimini and then cats paw.
First make a spider hitch in each line and then attach with a cats paw knot.
Attaching casting braid to leader with a Bob Sands Knot. Nice youtube vids on how to tie the knot.

On my 30lb outfit I use a leader of 120lb max and on the 50lb I use anything from 180-220lb leaders.

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 09:21 am
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Thank you, Stefan. Much appreciated.

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 09:40 am
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How strong is a spider hitch in braid? Just wondering I use it in mono all the time, but not in braid. There was a knot test video on the Penn channel a while back and a multi turn uni to uni worked better as a braid to braid join compared to fg. I have been using that to join braid leaders to braid mainline

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 09:47 am
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Hi Stefan.
Don't you find that the Bob Sands knot when you do the figure of 8 on the 120/220 pound braider leader to be too bulky?

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 11:00 am
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Pylstert wrote: How strong is a spider hitch in braid? Just wondering I use it in mono all the time, but not in braid. There was a knot test video on the Penn channel a while back and a multi turn uni to uni worked better as a braid to braid join compared to fg. I have been using that to join braid leaders to braid mainline

Ive had no problems with the spider hitch and braid connection. They say the bimini to braid is a better connection. As too strength of knots, im not too sure of.

The other connections Ive never tried as Im happy with the spider hitch and catspaw connection.

There was a post a while back on knots by Craig Neil. Very interesting comparisons.

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 11:05 am
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Fly-aholic wrote: Hi Stefan.
Don't you find that the Bob Sands knot when you do the figure of 8 on the 120/220 pound braider leader to be too bulky
It is quite a large knot, but Its not been excessively bulky.
Ive fished with the makaira and slammer combo for more than a year now and in that time ive had one cast that wrapped around the bottom eye. I don't think thats bad stats compared to other rod, reel and knot combinations.
When I started out with braid, I googled what knot to use and Bob sands came up first. As im happy with it, ive had no reason to change. There are many ways to skin a cat;)

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 Posted: Fri May 22nd, 2020 01:50 pm
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Eish knots in braid...thats one reason why prefer mono! Stitching is 100% knot, so you do that at home, its is quite simple you'd be surprised, and when and if you get bust off at the water, just FG a mono leader on. I'd only use a heavy braid leader between braid and mono where there is little chance of snagging. Breaking off a 100lb plus braid leader on heavy mono is no joke, i injured myself badly once doing that.

You can make your own braided leaders if you want, stitching a loop in the braid leader end, but way too much mission for me. I wish I was taught how to throw a penn reel as a kid, being a latecomer to the party..I spent less time learning how to spin with a proper reel than I spent tying all these frustrating braid knots before that!

Mono I can tie a double figure8 to figure 8, cinch it, test it and go off and land a 200lb tuna or 30lb yellowtail and have faith that i can pull as hard as I can and not bust the leader knot off, I'll straighten hooks before that knot pops..I'm over fancy knots, I have maybe 5 knots in total that I use these days, including FG and a k@k uni sinker knot that I tie to be a weak point. Rapala knot, centuari/fig8, Mr Hill's modified double centuari, 2 or 3 turn uni knot for sinker and FG. Oh ja sometimes a snell/sabiki knot for tying those traces. 6 knots for all my braid and mono fishing, 7 knots if you include a flemish eye for wiretraces. I can't remember the last fish I lost to a failed knot. Caught hundreds of fish since that.

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 Posted: Mon May 25th, 2020 06:16 am
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Thank you for the reply Doc, and everyone else.
I am not a competition angler and have limited time to fish. When I arrive at the water, the primary objective is to cast a line and let the expectation, hope and enjoying nature begin.
Drastically limiting the opportunity to have a leader to damage guides or even worse, removing some guides during casting is what I need to manage. Having your line in the water is 1st priority and deal with an exceptional fish and the fight later.
Having 30 pound braid connected to a 100 pound leader (edibles), and having 60% knot strength is more than enough i.e. 8kg's of drag. The same for non-eds, 50 pound main line, 200 pound leader i.e. 13kg's of drag. With 600 meters of line on the reel, I can manage a fairly large fish. I also do not fish the bricks very often, so I have time and space to play the fish. I have also looked at Craig's force applied during the fight, and even straight sticking I will be hard pressed to exceed 13kg's of drag. I have also been receiving some excellent advise from Tackle Holic(Brandon), regarding guide setup.
SO the long and short of it is simple - 1. have your line in the water (reduce guide wrapping, excessive leader knots size and correct guide placement). When this is achieve job done. I would rather ponder on the loss of a fish than be faced with not preparing myself adequately to have not had a line in the water. Although I am not sure of the answer, hell someone out there have paid there school fees.
In conclusion:1. Small braided main line to leader knots
2. Correct guide spacing and "Bobs your uncle".:X
Thank you again for all your replies, I will have a look at the suggested knots.

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 Posted: Mon May 25th, 2020 06:44 am
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What casting braid do you guys use? I only fish during summer about 20 outings per year.

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