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 Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2020 06:20 pm
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Hi guys! Hope everyone is doing welll
I am on the Westcoast in a very small quite town so have a bit of freedom during the lockdown.

I found these worms on the rocks today between some mussels.
What worms is this and is it good bait for galjoen.

Thanks in advance , appreciate any help.

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 Posted: Sat Apr 4th, 2020 06:35 pm
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You are setting a poor example by breaking the law.

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Its a private beach in front of my house, theres no other houses near us and can only be accessed by a gravel road.

I understand your point but in context it feels innocent , i walk a few meters and Im on the rocks, nowhere near any other house or any people.

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That sound great.
But please keep it to yourself.
Do not excite other fishermen into breaking the law.
I see someone was fined in Gordons Bay for fishing on the beach.

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Mussel worm..species, who knows? Yes, very good bait for pan fish. Don't clean out your worm stocks, don't damage and kill off musselbeds to get to them and don't clean out your resident reeffish stocks that will take the bait.

There are many properties in SA that border the coast or a relatively private piece of water..lucky for those guys! I used to stay on marina da gama and do IT work from home, sitting at a desk in my lounge keeping an eye on the livebait out off the porch! Lockdown must be great for those staying on the water!

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awesome thanks for the reply Dr halibut hoffman

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If I remember rightly, private property only extends as far as the high water mark. Beyond that is government property.

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Guppigetta wrote:
If I remember rightly, private property only extends as far as the high water mark. Beyond that is government property.

Correction: 200 feet from the high water mark.

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Pieter, is that 200 ft above or below the high water mark?

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Pieter, is that 200 ft above or below the high water mark?

As I understand it, 200 ft inland above the high water mark is public space. Above that 200 ft mark, private property starts.

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Mussel worm..species, who knows? Yes, very good bait for pan fish. Don't clean out your worm stocks, don't damage and kill off musselbeds to get to them and don't clean out your resident reeffish stocks that will take the bait.

There are many properties in SA that border the coast or a relatively private piece of water..lucky for those guys! I used to stay on marina da gama and do IT work from home, sitting at a desk in my lounge keeping an eye on the livebait out off the porch! Lockdown must be great for those staying on the water!


As I understand it musselworms are illegal to use as bait?

The brochure states:
"Any seaworm, including polychaete, wonder
shingle, moonshine, coral, pot, pudding, rock,
tape & flatworms but excluding bloodworms,
mussel worms and Cape reef-worms".

There is a seperate heading for Bloodworm, but none for mussel and reef worms.

https://www.nda.agric.za/doaDev/sideMenu/fisheries/21_HotIssues/April2010/Recreational%20Brochure%202017-18.pdf

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I just read the regulations again..they are not clear in this regard.


The wording of the quote just means that the regulations applying to "All marine species of the phyla Platyhelminthes,Nemertea, Sipunculida and Annelida, butexcluding the genera Arenicola, Nereis,Pseudonereis and Gunnarea" of 10 per day DOES NOT apply to " bloodworms,
mussel worms and Cape reef-worms"

Now interestingly enough, reef-worms and mussel worms are not meantioned further in the document, nor specified underbait organisms so unless there is some other law regarding their capture, they are NOT regulated specifically. I think this loophole was unintentional as I can recall past conservation regulations regarding these because of the widespread and long lasting destruction that the collection of these worms can bring to reef-worm colonies and musselbeds if done like an idiot. It may seem like they are left unregulated because they are specifically dealt with in some other conservation law but this should be made clear in the recreational regulations but isn't. But, it may well be that there is some other law that deals with those species but it is not this one is what i am saying and this one does not reference another.

So then as I understand they would fall under "fish not listed" under recreational angling regulation rather than shellfish or bait organism, which would give one a daily limit of 10.

"(7)Species not mentioned in either of these lists have a bag limit of ten provided that sharks, rays, skates or chimaeras (Class Chondrichthyes) have a bag limitof one and rockcods (Family Serranidae) have a bag limit of five (5).(8)There is an overall cumulative daily bag limit of ten (10), irrespective of the species caught and provided that this limit does not apply to thosespecies listed here with no bag limit, and to those with a bag limit exceeding (ten)10"
So my disclaimer, I am not a lawman but a layman..check with a lawyer first..I do however understand law quite well and have stood by my guns in court (not that I appeared, that is what lawyers are for) a few times and been vindicated so I'm an experienced layman.


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WRT Lockdown..ja beaches are public land..not sure of but extending for some distance above the spring high mark, waters enclosed by a private land are private, but in countries more respectful of their constitution and freedom of movement contained therein, they made lockdown laws that allow one to walk outside, go to beaches, fish etc..so long that physical distancing is observed and no gatherings take place, except within households, as it is respectful of the public, their health and sanity..and rights..
It can be argued sure that ones right to movement can be restricted to allow for free movement later on, or the prevention of rapid spread of a pandemic, but infact it is a difficult argument to attempt to win to say that someone isolated on a beach with the naturally sterilising sea and salt air all around, and our south african UV levels, is putting anyone elses health and thereby freedom at risk. IF one defended ones actions according to the highest law, it would be difficult to argue that one is risking anyone else bring alone on a beach. It is less risky than what government asks of us WRT taxis and welfare payouts, and grocery shopping and less risky than what most are doing which is sitting in an enclosed room with someone else. So logically it and any argument in that regard can be countered in defense, the clear thing is individual rights are not being respected in this debacle. At the moment deaths due to police brutality have been steadily rising and keeping up with covid 19 deaths AND if one includes the elderly dying in chaotic and unorganized welfare payout queues
on friday, then the number of dead due to state action or lack of, is higher than covid 19 at the moment, if you factor malnourishment and joblosses due to lockdown, the death rate could outshadow the virus if we are not careful.

There are many ways to skin this cat and one needs not be extreme either and can mix and match to suit ones situation for the best outcome, like in life. If i were president we would already have studies running with healthy volunteers to get infected to map out every possible combination of anti viral drug that is safe and see what is effective, we already have the worlds largest antiretroviral program with a fair percentage of adults on daily ARVS that do show promise in treating this virus and they will probably fair better than most of us so long that gov' can keep them on their pills.
Most of us will in the next year get infected, most likely, and in places doing extensive testing and picking up non symptomatic cases where most infections (81% in wuhan study) don't even know they are infected and their immune system beats off the virus without a fever even or their awareness. The danger yes is that they are infectious during this time. The adjusted death rate in these studies picking up all infected across a bigger sample of population rather than just the sick, puts death rate at between 1 and 6 in thousand infections to put it perspective. and 60-70% of us are going to get infected, soif I were prez, there would be thousands of volunteers wanting to do their bit and take their chance with a cocktail of drugs, and in a week we would know which drugs work, and which dont, work out a protocol that will prevent most infections and still be safe, forego all normal medical testing restrictions and use known and registered drugs so things can be short cutted reasonalbe safely, and once sureof a protocol then give everyone an anti-lockdown, month paid holiday to mix and mingle and fish and no booze allowed but spread the virus,all the while everyone in the country was on the correct dose and combo of effective and safe AV medicines for the next two or three months, and let us all try get infected ASAP and get herd immunity with as little suffering as possible and get back on with life. But each has their own opinion..

In fact if everyone kept to themselves somewhere outdoors as much as possible and followed the same physical distancing at home and work we would need no lockdown in the first place..But the masses are not educated and live in crowded slums which are the result of spacial land planning/city planning from students of and policies of the OG right wing and racist Dr Eugen Fischer that were actually experiments in social control of the "lessor races", so that food and work force and health , wealth of the masses could be controlled, and through virus and disease and the cramped living conditions, populations could be controlled..Hitler and verwoerd were students of his. Disgusting as it is it is true, cities all around the world in former dutch/flemish/german controlled colonies were planned according to these principles, from asia, africa to south america...and now a new virus has arrived and we are in trouble..but ja because it is hard now to control the masses and the s#it may about to be hitting the fan, they needed the lockdown. The educated have to be lumped with the masses or everyone would be on the beach having one big party, like in miami LOL! And Covid 19 would also have one big party..so ja beaches off limits, bottlestores closed, tuff titty.

But ja if someone has access to fish in private waters or secluded public waters from their land, porch or doorstep, lucky for you! Isolate away, thanks for helping to keep us all safe! The juristiction of lockdown extends to your erf so ja dont break any laws on my account!

To everyone else without private fish, remember jealousy makes you nasty!

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Mossel Wurm Baie goeie aas... In suid kaap met dit groot geword as aas... Maak n Wurm pikkie... Breek jy net hier en daar n Paar mossels af vir aas... Hou in houertjie met seegras oornag in yskas... Galjoen hottie Roman Jan Bruin kolstert belman kraker stenie strepie zebra byt graag aan dit... Tot kabeljou... 2.0 of 3.0 hoekie...

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SPARRABOS wrote:
Mossel Wurm Baie goeie aas... In suid kaap met dit groot geword as aas... Maak n Wurm pikkie... Breek jy net hier en daar n Paar mossels af vir aas... Hou in houertjie met seegras oornag in yskas... Galjoen hottie Roman Jan Bruin kolstert belman kraker stenie strepie zebra byt graag aan dit... Tot kabeljou... 2.0 of 3.0 hoekie...

Dit is alles waar Ou Sparra. Maar dit is ook waar dat jy nie die mosselwurms mag uithaal nie, omdat dit sy habitat(swartmossel banke//rotse) vernietig, en dit omdat mense in die verlede nie oordeel aan die dag kon lĂȘ nie.


Maar dat dit 'n goeie aas is, dit is nou so !!!!

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