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 Posted: Sat Nov 2nd, 2019 06:00 pm
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RomP
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Location: Pretoria, South Africa
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Equipment: Shimano Rods, Penn Reels
Best Catch: Big Geelbek and Cob
Favorite Fishing Spot: East Coats Kenton on Sea
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Hi all,

Ive posted this in another section, maybe this section is more applicable, apologies if its duplicated.
Need some advice from the experts...
Ive been fishing on and off with family off the East Coast ( Kenton on Sea) for many yrs. We normally go bottoms fishing for Cob or Geelbek mostly. I have been using an old Faithful Pen 68 ( I know its not ideal for bottoms fishing ) but its worked for me all the years.
So now my son is 16yr old and going on his first "deep sea" fishing trip with us in December. Time for a new reel and rod setup for the young man.
Reels:Ive looked at the Shimano Speeedmaster4 or Penn Jigmaster 500. From online review i understand that the new Penn reels are now made in China and not of the same quality. It this the same with the Shimano ?Any other reels one can recommend or if there is someone up in Gauteng wanting to sell any of the above mentioned 2nd hand reels, that will be great.
Rods:
Ive looked at the Shimano Vengeance 3050 ( 30lbs-50lbs ) stand up rod at it seems reasonably affordable. I'll be interested in 2 rods as my old rod is past its service life. Any comments on these specific or similar rods to what Ive mentioned ?
Keep in mind that we not hardcore competition fishermen...We do this annually for the fun of it, but I do want reasonable equipment that will not fail on the first day out.
Any comments or recommendations will be appreciated.Maybe also references to good shops in and around Pretoria that can assist will be appreciated.

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 Posted: Sat Nov 2nd, 2019 08:31 pm
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D5
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Joined: Sat Oct 3rd, 2009
Location: JHB, South Africa
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Equipment: Shimano, Sonik , ABU,
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You need to get your son the lightest setup as they get easy discouraged if becomes hard work when current is stronger or at higher depths as for large sinker . . 5ft6 rod , ideally XH Jigging rod with strong eyes as these rods are very forgiving if youngster decides to pick a larger fish with the rod to lift it in the boat . I would think of multiplier with narrow spool size 16 or max 20 . I would look rather for second hand upper setup then for new . Braid would go with 30-40 LB HMP ( less resistance on strong currents ) and 50-65 LB leader . Coffee grinders ( cheaper once ) gears don’t last long when used on bottom fishing as I have seen on many occasions youngsters - they don’t like to use rod to pump and wind but rather rest rod against gunnel and crank very hard . But to me, coffee grinders are more versatile as in case of sudden fish siting on the surface like often being a shoal of kingfish or garfish and with quick change he can throw a lure with same rod and reel .
Just my 2c

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 Posted: Sun Nov 3rd, 2019 09:23 am
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Dr halibut hoffman
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For bek etc..I'd almost go with the same as above, rather a 5'6" MH jigging rod customised to fish low reel position and a medium to narrow multiplier..you can go cheap, also made in china, well recommended.. Adrenalin x-masterPRO in 30 size, you can get a level wind too if not going to be used for shore-fishing or casting. 0.55 mono in case something bigger picks you up. HMP 50-65lb braid otherwise if braid route. No complaints, only compliments after using HMP for 5 or 6 years. Really good quality line and dependable and locally made and less middlemen so cheaper than it should be. But I use mono as even cheap braid is bloody expensive these days!

I use an xmaster pro or old saltist40 and 0.55 to 0.50 but I have been outclassed on the 0.50 when picking up big gamefish bottom fishing over shallow reefs.

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 Posted: Fri Nov 8th, 2019 01:06 pm
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RomP
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Joined: Sat Nov 2nd, 2019
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
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Equipment: Shimano Rods, Penn Reels
Best Catch: Big Geelbek and Cob
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Thanks All,

Now to go a study up on XH, MH etc rods, then find a good shop in Pretoria and see what happens.

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 Posted: Wed Nov 13th, 2019 09:29 pm
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7' Travella jigging rods are awesome and that's what we use for the lighties but I don't like the single foot guides on the spinning version so replaced them with double foot guides. If the rod is too short it can be a pain especially if the fish circles and with a long trace. you need a longer rod to manage the trace. 8' is an ideal length and I recently bought an Okuma Metaloid rod for R1300 and I reckon that's a winner. Right length, strong guides and versatile. As for reels, we have been using the Penn slammers for about a year and a half now. Very robust and easy to fish with. Grinders would definitely be my choice for beginners / girls / or lazy asses like me.

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 Posted: Thu Nov 14th, 2019 08:23 am
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D5
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benniejordaan wrote: 7' Travella jigging rods are awesome and that's what we use for the lighties but I don't like the single foot guides on the spinning version so replaced them with double foot guides. If the rod is too short it can be a pain especially if the fish circles and with a long trace. you need a longer rod to manage the trace. 8' is an ideal length and I recently bought an Okuma Metaloid rod for R1300 and I reckon that's a winner. Right length, strong guides and versatile. As for reels, we have been using the Penn slammers for about a year and a half now. Very robust and easy to fish with. Grinders would definitely be my choice for beginners / girls / or lazy asses like me.
I agree on Trevala - blank is good, eyes are far too soft  . I had to bend them back too many times.
Now my Trevala will be used only for catching bait and I have two Daiwa Saltiga Hiramasa that are miles ahead of trevala .I also had very same Okuma Metaloid and tip snapped due to defect in blank.
Grinder is really best for bottom but my Stella 20K has one set back as I cannot disengage anti reverse. You have to use grinder that has lever to disengage the anti reverse , that is where KP reels has advantage . Often seen when you do pull up few meters up and then drop few meters back , Rock Cod gets triggered and hits the bait .Constant opening the bail damages the braid . Does Penn Slammer has lever for anti reverse ? I see it has stainless gears and that is a must for this type of fishing .


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