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 Posted: Sun Sep 15th, 2019 03:03 pm
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Hi guys, I am looking at buying a Daiwa BG. I currently have a Daiwa Laguna 11 foot xhs rod but will be upgrading to an Assassin or Loomis 11 foot rod. Should I get the 3000 or 4000 BG? As far as braid I am thinking 20lb but not sure which brand to go for. Any advice will be much appreciated

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Hi there sean 1983.

A 3000 bg will be a lil small for the rods you are looking to pair it with. If you wish to go daiwa bg i would recommend the 4000 option or possibly 5000 for the best balance .
it does however depend on what application you wish to use it for. But the 3000 is too small.
4 or 5000 with 30lb braid would be a good all round setup.
But i am a shimano guy, so i would immediately say go spheros, stradic or saragosa instead of the bg.
Have owned them all and the bg doesnt compare though it is cheaper. About 2 grand compared to R2700 and up.

Good luck, hope this helps.

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HuntaGrunt wrote:  4 or 5000 with 30lb braid would be a good all round setup.
But i am a shimano guy, so i would immediately say go spheros, stradic or saragosa instead of the bg
5000BG would be a very big and heavy reel (650g) for the application of throwing 1-2.5oz lures.

You cannot put a 5k Shimano in the same size bracket as a 5k Daiwa (excluding their  LT sized ones).

BG5000 should be compared to a 10000 sized Saragosa.
A 3500 or 4000 sized BG would suit the sorts of rods you are talking about; 3000's retrieve speed might be a little slow

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Depending on what you do with your 11'outfit, baitfishing or spinning. If its baitfishing go for the standard BG4000 or if spinning then the BG 4000 Magsealed.
Holds more than enough mono & or braid for yr facet.

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What I'd do in your situation, is fish the rod you have, till you can afford to upgrade later to something with alconite fuji K setup guides like the loomis later, spend all your cash now on a stradic 5000 and HMP 20lb.

What I've done myself recently for light spinning (1-2oz 20lb) as an experiment, is taken a k series loomis 10ft and put a small multiplier on it, first tried high reel seat, right hand spool thumbing, like the yanks fish but left wrist gets strain from rod twist back and forth while winding, and now put the reel down low like my other setups. Magged the reel DIY and put some 0.35 high abrasion mono on it. I fish rocky points and boat mainly so 11ft not suit me, if on beach I'd do 11ft.

Fished that twice, well casting practice more than anything else, and I'm sold, was doing real Dr Evil shrieks of laughter out there on my own on a windy point, sounded like the joker after every cast into the wind as I took my thumb completely off the spool Mwahh ha ha mwaaaah!..that's how well it casted.

So I'm thinking why has it taken me so long to try this, and that my braid days are really getting numbered, unless for certain applications like bass or backing on tuna reel..I think my recommendations are going to be changing in the future.

The multiplier cost me a grand. Magnet all of R5. Spool of 0.35 high abrasion, cheap cheap. The satisfaction as a 1.5 oz spoon flies off into the headwind/crosswind further than it ever did with 20lb braid, shimmy grinder and the exact same rod, after a cast as hard as I can and bearings are singing like that cannot on a grinder, as I take my thumb off the spool and watch the line peel from side to side in perfect automatic control with almost no resistance...its priceless! I had the best session in a long time and didn't even catch a fish.

But ja BG a decent reel, back to topic, my opinion is that a midrange shimmy is better, don't go too big for edibles..But a multiplier is best, once one learns to use them and is taught the tricks of the trade.

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 Posted: Mon Sep 23rd, 2019 08:24 am
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the only down side to mono is that.
mono line has a coating on it.
this coating will eventually wear off.
then the line is not that smooth anymore.

I too fish the HMP 20lb.
on a penn clash 4000 with a 962 daiwa exceller.

more then enough.
on 11 foot rod a clash 5000 will do.
the new conflict 2, is also a slow oscillation reel.

I can get you a 5000 for R 2500 ex postage.

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Sean_1983 wrote:
Hi guys, I am looking at buying a Daiwa BG. I currently have a Daiwa Laguna 11 foot xhs rod but will be upgrading to an Assassin or Loomis 11 foot rod. Should I get the 3000 or 4000 BG? As far as braid I am thinking 20lb but not sure which brand to go for. Any advice will be much appreciated

if you are set on the daiwa
the 3000 should be good to go
the 4000 might be a little big

you are in natal, so daiwa is good and close by if spares are needed

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BG4000 - 350m vs 210m of 20lb braid. Maybe upgrade to 25lb but the principle is the same - 50% more line capacity.

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Thing with braid, most companies BS the breaking strain. HMP 30lb is equiv. to an average (sufix or powerpro) "20LB braid", 25lb is close to a 15lb braid and 20lb hmp is close to 10lb of BS (bulls#it) rating braid..The diameter is more important to go on, in the shop you can compare diameters of different brands to get an idea of what actually compared to what. The japs PE system is far more useful.

25lb HMP I use as well as the 20lb on different rigs, and used 30Lb on same rigs..There is quite a bit of casting distance lost as you go thicker in line, I think due to friction off the lip of the grinders spool. So balance what you need it for, if distance go lighter line, if abrasion resistance around reefs and distance less of a concern go thicker.

Winches don't suffer from that problem of spool lip friction but that another topic. I am glad I have seen the light! hahaha

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hi tackle holic.

I understand and you are quite right about the bg5 being big, but the 4000 should be good? i figured the 3000 is too small as i owned one and after 2 months of spinning with nothing heavier than a 1.5 ounce plug or sppon the main gear was shot. hence the recomendation on a slightly bigger bg, or preferably a 5000 sized shimi.

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4k size BG.
5k Shimano.

1. Stradic
2. Nasci
3. Sahara
4. Sedona

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HuntaGrunt wrote: hi tackle holic.

I understand and you are quite right about the bg5 being big, but the 4000 should be good? i figured the 3000 is too small as i owned one and after 2 months of spinning with nothing heavier than a 1.5 ounce plug or sppon the main gear was shot. hence the recomendation on a slightly bigger bg, or preferably a 5000 sized shimi.
weird that it packed up so quickly, out of interest does the handle screw in or does the handle have a hexagonal shaft that goes all the way through the reel body and fastened on the other side?

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Tackle-holic wrote:
4k size BG.
5k Shimano.

1. Stradic
2. Nasci
3. Sahara
4. Sedona


Agree 100%....

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Hi there Pylstert.

No its was the true BG with screw in handle, No jdm export or anything. I know there is a big hype on bg with spectacular reviews by the likes of Alan hawk etc but from my experience the bg isnt all its made out to be. I have seen a good few fail fairly quickly with gearing issues.
Though this may just be my experience and what i have witnessed.

Regards

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Tackle-holic wrote:
4k size BG.
5k Shimano.

1. Stradic
2. Nasci
3. Sahara
4. Sedona


1 and 2 yes.
3 and 4, nope.

get a proper slow oscillation reel.
one which was put braid down correctly!!!!!

not many around!!!
Daiwa bg do not do slow oscillation

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Thanks guys I ended up getting a BG 4000 spooled with 20lb JDB 8x casting braid. I am looking at the Assassin Amia zero 11 foot xh. I want an 11 foot that will cast 1-3 oz lures. The Amia zero comes in a 2 piece and 4 piece, obviously the 4 piece will be more practical as far as transporting it and it comes with a tube but I worry about having 3 joints. I also had a look at the assassin spin zero 11 foot xh which comes in a 3 piece but it only has the O series Fuji guides so I am not sure how well they handle braid. I am also considering the Daiwa Saltist 11 foot 6 that is a 3 piece. The ultra light model that is also rated at 1-3 oz. The rod will be used only for spinning. Paired with my BG 4000. Out of these rods what would you suggest? Or reccomend what other rods I should consider. Thanks

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Sean_1983 wrote:
Thanks guys I ended up getting a BG 4000 spooled with 20lb JDB 8x casting braid. I am looking at the Assassin Amia zero 11 foot xh. I want an 11 foot that will cast 1-3 oz lures. The Amia zero comes in a 2 piece and 4 piece, obviously the 4 piece will be more practical as far as transporting it and it comes with a tube but I worry about having 3 joints. I also had a look at the assassin spin zero 11 foot xh which comes in a 3 piece but it only has the O series Fuji guides so I am not sure how well they handle braid. I am also considering the Daiwa Saltist 11 foot 6 that is a 3 piece. The ultra light model that is also rated at 1-3 oz. The rod will be used only for spinning. Paired with my BG 4000. Out of these rods what would you suggest? Or reccomend what other rods I should consider. Thanks

i have just snapped my Blue Marlin 330 2-4oz rod. Totally my own fault.. So I am also in the market for a similar setup. But I want something with a very strong backbone that is light to flick around 2-4oz lures all day. The Assassin Sierra has my attention but is quite a premium price. Seems like a great rod though.

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For lure for beach or rocky point? Shorter or same length, fishing off the beach you can still go quiet light, off points you need to go heavier and shorter?

Quite a contradiction, light to flick all day, 2-4 oz, very strong backbone..
I have such a setup, my heavy spinning setup, casts a mile but not as far as my 20lb rig.
Blue Marlin superslim grinder blank 30/50/270 3-4 oz, front 2 pieces of 30/50/430 built by Theo (TJ's) in Jeffreys bay (it was all his idea, I told him what I needed and he built it..0.55 high abrasion mono and a grandwave 40.. Have exages, have other heavy (light) 10' rods setup for the same as backups, but that rod and setup is the sweet spot, I don't want to change anything about it. Comfy and light to fish and ergonomic to spin all day with, pull the crap out of hard fighting fish..I can't lift with it like my exages but they take way more effort to fish with. I outcast my heavy grinder spinning rig by a good distance with lighter lures if need be.
I have a 4-6oz rod with same reel and line too for very windy days and recently now fishing a light loomis archipelago 10' converted with 20lb mono and a small magged multiplier for light spinning, low reel position.
All round I think I have found my sweet spots, my gear is such a pleasure to cast and fish with now, comfy, light and capable. That light rig is oh my such a pleasure to cast and fish, my stradic 5000's are now gathering dust. Having so much fun!
Anyway bit of a ramble but maybe it helps..

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