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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 03:57 pm
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Mel G
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Hi there people, i recieved this mail a few weeks ago and thought that i will add it to the forum, cos it makes really interesting reading and is a great talking point. So here it is -

Crime definitely pays!



After I was a victim of crime in 2000, I attended many crime discussions, brain storming and therapy sessions. At each of these discussions the question came up on how to tackle the symptoms of crime. The only question never raised was:





Question: "What is the influence of crime on the S.A. Govt?"





Answer: Crime generates millions and millions of Rand's for the S.A. Govt





Here are the facts:





Example 1:



Take just one million home owners in Gauteng who pay for "armed crime reaction" (not crime prevention) where private security companies react AFTER the crime has taken place - no wonder they never make any arrests!



This service costs on average R250 p.m. Therefore 1 000,000 x R240.00 X 12 months x 14% VAT, generates R403 million in tax revenue for the S.A. Govt!





Example 2:



A car thief steals a R500,000 car and receives between R10,000 and R30,000 for his deed.



The car owner is paid out by insurance and then purchases another similar vehicle, on which he pays 14% VAT of approx R70,000 as a direct result of crime. Who profited the most? The thief or the S.A.Govt?





We must begin with a mechanism whereby the S.A. Govt is forced to reconsider this unconstitutional and immoral practice of profiting from crime!





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South Africans should demand that all payments related to protection of life and property should be VAT free and Tax deductible!





This principle should also apply to replacement of stolen property as well as estate duty. If a person dies as a result of crime we should also demand that estate duty not be paid. How much do you think the S.A. Govt has made out of estate duty from the murders of 1300 South African farmers?



The S.A. Govt likes to compare us to overseas. Well overseas your safety and security is covered by your income tax and is tax deductible!



It is time that South Africans stood together and made the Govt and public aware of the Govt's "income" from crime. In the meantime crime is the goose that lays the golden egg

Is it also not unreasonable to expect victims of violence and hijackings to pay their own medical costs? The Govt should pay for these expenses as well as family counselling for victims!



Come on South Africa, ask the right questions and demand the right answers!

 

 

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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 04:13 pm
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Mel

Only you would be able to find this sort of thing bru...You know what i agree with you fully.Why the hell should we have to pay for crime....

Where exactly did you get this from it make good conversation...Bru like always you have brought up a good topic..Thanks Bru..

Cheers Riymos

ps..let me think about this and ill reply shortly..

Cheers Riymos

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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 04:44 pm
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Hey Guys,

I agree thats why I think the new logo is more appropriate

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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 05:46 pm
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Guys

Now think about the Pres. speech/es about the fact that the crime in SA is not all that bad, covering/securing future funding ito taxes?  I'd think thats just the case!

Let me tell you's another thing, in the wider scheme of things this is a very old trick, you create the problem, you then deny that the probelm exists, when presented with facts you put mechanisims into place to show that you're doing something, however these mechs are also beneficiary to yourself.

Example: When I was serving, we had no vehicles to attend to complaints, the one or two we had didn't have any fuel, we were made to sign an oath of secrecy not to divulge any info regarding the state of affairs in the SAPS.  Several years later, crime has reached serious proportions, really serious!  First, when questioned with the levels thereof, it is denied, then the Gov got presented with facts and couldn't shun away from the reality.  Just this week, there's been talk of incorporating private security firms ito assistance to the SAPS similarly as the Metro Police are assisting the SAPS since about 8 years ago.  Now take a look at it: You don't supply the police with the necessary equipment, crime levels rise, you deny it, you accept it, you then push in resources (all taxed and manufactured by people who pay tax on their salaries, etc) then you still continue to install measures where more and more taxes are being paid to seem to rectify the problem that you created. 

Lets get to ESKOM as another.  For years and years warnings have been issued in terms of the capacity of infrastructure, 2010 is comming, millions of new developments are mushrooming and yet there has been very little to no upgrading of this infrastructure let alone talking about expansion thereof.  Powercuts, costs money when money exchanges hands the Gov gets a cut as tax.  let me give you an example:  Bedfordview area, three days without power, losses amount to hundreds of thousands of rands.  Eskom will pay the companies a compensation amount that will get taxed and the bigger the ammount the higher the tax bracket. 

Gov is really blindsiding all of the citizens of SA, and I agree that this should be based on the amercan model where if they (Gov) screw-up they must pay or alternatively do get pay (tax on money spend as a direct or indirect result of its failure).

Just my 2c worth of saying I'm GATVOL!

LGF

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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 06:01 pm
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Hey LGF,

We are all gatvol, but let's face it the government needs all this tax money, how else are they going fund The deputy presidents holidays or charter a plane for an official visit because they could not find the official plane and what about the R90 million wall for Mbeki's house,  I am sure u get the idea

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No off cause boet I agree, also don't forget the POTHOLE ridden roads, how are we going to get new pothole filled roads if there aren't any taxes being paid, oh and everyone's favorite, wait, wait ...............................yes THE TOLLGATE, hehehe

R90 million for a wall in a country without crime, don't you think it's a little uhm, uhm no what am I thinking it's not rediculous and it's not underlining the fact that crime in SA is out of control, must be the sarmy I had for lunch thats affecting my thought paterns.....

Yeah, wish there was some sort of medium where we could say enough is enough, Do something now or we won't pay taxes until such time, with the desired result that is expected.

But listen, We can do something, you know, if every south african just does his or her little like not buying counterfeit goods, reports a crime and if the police service gets to do their jobs for pride again well then SA will be the MOST BEAUTIFUL Country that it is.......

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 Posted: Fri May 11th, 2007 06:37 pm
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LFG wrote
But listen, We can do something, you know, if every south african just does his or her little like not buying counterfeit goods, reports a crime and if the police service gets to do their jobs for pride again well then SA will be the MOST BEAUTIFUL Country that it is.......
How we gonna do this, we can't even get the fishing guys to be responsible and to keep the fishing area's clean.

I just scared that we are on a slow march down the Zimbabwe road.

 



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hey mel g

thanks for that post... its obvious now whose really 'making a killing'.....  excuse the pun.

why on earth should citizens of any country pay vat on security and replacement of stolen goods, especially if they cant rely on protection from police.

But then again ull get the super smooth 'crook' businessman who will try to exploit that vat loophole (ie. replacement goods)...  so i think if the government has to implement that, it  will have to have a very stringent testing system.

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 Posted: Tue May 15th, 2007 01:54 pm
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Howzit guys, its good to see taht this thread has got such passionate replies... About the origin of this mail, it was one of these forwarded one's, so i'm not sure who the original author is!

Just a little something i gotta get off my chest, i recently went for supper to Butcher Boys in Florida road, for my birthday... I parked my car directly opposite the resturaunt, and had a good meal, when i got back to my car, i see a piece of paper under my wiper blade... when I removed it, it was a freakin parking fine of R300, what a great birthday present from the Municipality. What surprised me was the time that was stated on the fine i.e. 8pm:shock:, dont they have anything better to do at that time.

I then realised that they had given all the cars parked on that street a fine... What a farce??? Then why allow these resturants to open with no parking facilities, and where the hell do they expect us to park????

Again, this is all a money making scheme, to build that stadium for 2010, imagine the revenue they made... (~200cars @ R300/car = R60 000 in the coffers) easy money... I havent paid it yet, and let them do what they want... IDIOTS

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Mel G

This one might rip you in half.

I went to plead with the local metro authorities to reduce a fine for someone else (yeah that's my nature, always helping, even if at my own expense), now I was standing in the que (que did i say que) this was about 4 years ago, and had just been showed into the office of the prosecutor when a man dressed in a traffic officers uniform walked into the office and handed me a piece of paper, Yip you guessed it, I got fined at the traffic offices for parking whilst standing in a QUE trying to sort out a speeding fine, now how's that for getting it?

Seriously man, these okes need to wake the hell up, give fines to double parking idiots, people skipping stop signs and traffic lights, making turns illegally etc. and stop finning people parked next to the road at a parking meter (Which is also a crappy invention 30min Max time frame, so you have to run out every now and then and feed the machine)

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 Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 03:00 am
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hey mel

if its any consolation probably not the Municipality themselves issuing...        as far as im concerned most  government workers hardly do anything during normal working hours anyway...  let alone fining guys at a 8pm ..  most likely to be some private guys subcontracting on a comission basis...

therefore dont take chances when parking ,, even if no one in sight,, these guys know where the money hotspot is and when to fine...




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 Posted: Wed May 16th, 2007 12:16 pm
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I agree with not taking chances, but having said that, I strongly feel that whoever's responsible should get their Priorities straight.

Take the smoking laws, you'll get jailed blah-blah-blah for smoking here and there and when but you get a warning for raping and murdering, Thats IF you got Arrested in the first place and haven't been sucessful at bribing the underpaid SAPS officer to let you go..... and we live in the most beautiful Country in the entire World.

I dunno, it just seems like our Judicial system is joke, and I know that the foreigners look at Us and what they think cannot be repeated here, (age restriction), no seriously, there should be some VERY SERIOUS SIT DOWN AND RE-THINK session for the entire country, including and most importantly the avarage man/woman on the street's concerns.

LGF

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For a more macro view on what gov's a capable of see

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Willie/apr272007.html

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