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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 10:34 am
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Hi there guys I'm very new to deep sea fishing, so new I have only been once but love it and would like to do it a lot more, I have been doing a lot of reading and research and been wandering why would I want my own boat over using carters(I would love my own boat one day)but when I look at all involved, owning your own boat and the cost of fuel per day, there does not seem a huge difference in paying a daily fee to a charter or am I mistaken, my plan is to use charters for a year or two,to gain experience and then get my skippers and hopefully by then will be able to make an informed decision on what type of vessel to go for if any or just keep using charters, I would like as many opinions as possible ,big thank you

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 10:42 am
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If you go to sea less than 15 times a year, then charters are the way to go. 15-24, much depends on charter costs and species. More than 24, buy your own boat.

BUT, that will depend on where you aim to fish primarily. In Cape Town, a tuna trip can be 12-20k....

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It's a lot of fun to have your own boat, but as Fin says... If you're not on it regularly, then it's just not worth it. I was passionate about my sea boat, but eventually, reality set in (constant COF renewals... watching flares expire, paying insurance premiums) and I sold it... I would like another boat but fortunately, I'm too sensible nowdays to succumb to the itch.

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 01:25 pm
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Wild Scot

Twice a year I'm sitting with the same decision what to do! I have three boats (not bragging), but it is hard to decide what to do, going with the 17.6 ft Z craft-invader to Moz, 15.6ft Ace craft Mono to Shelly or 4.5m stingray rubber duck to Kosi??

But as Limpopoking mentioned, good argument!, it is very costly to own a (even small) boat. Trailor registration,COF, Bouyancy, repairs and services can put you back R 5k per year easily per boat.

Extra fuel on your towing vehicle, do you have a reliable 4x4 to do launches with or to tow? You will always have friends to help or go along, but at your expense!!All empty promises to help with the launching cost and fuel,sleeping arrangements, food but at the end of the day you and you alone are cleaning the boat, sorting parking etc. while the rest of your "friends" have a lekker holiday as they have just jumped of a Charter Boat!Rather invest in a holiday cottage and charter, but always get more information on all charters before you commit! Hang around and ask people what their specific experience was! SOme charters does not stay on the water long, other can drain you from early till late?

I know this is not helping you with your question, but for deepsea fishing Charters, people that knows the spots, you will be running thousands of fuel and catch nothing.

Regards




Take this into account

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Yup think I'm going to charter for a while and take it from there, my only concern is that they seem to want to charter the boat out and it will mostly only be 2 of us are the chances good that there will be other people needing heads to fill a boat

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 08:49 pm
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ok, so where do we start?

this can get very long..... :)

the best advise I can give you is to join a deepsea angling club, just like Imbelu!!!

what does that get you....well plenty opportunities!!!

interclub komps. not every one likes it, but at least you do not need to have your own boat.

new friens, who all own boats, who knows how stuff works.

so in the next few weeks we are off to Sodwana for a fishing trip between 3x friends, we share costs etc.

our next trip for six nights is R 4k per person.
we are 3x men going down.
this includes accommodation, fuel down and back and for the boat.
as well as food!!!.

after this trip I have a rock and surf trip in feb.

march we are in Sodwana for the all inland

in april for a week, sharing costs again for a week sommer doing the cuda comp.

may we have zinkwazi interclub and later on shelly interclub

then a month or 2 off then Richards bay or Sodwana again for another interclub comp.
another week of fishing.

then its rock and surf time for me until oct.

so in all it is about knowing the right people and joining the right people.

last year, my friend towed my boat down with his vehicle.
so not all costs are from my pocket as such.

if you guys need contact number for the club, just state so.

oja, one last thing.

no politics at all allowed at our club!!!!

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 Posted: Wed Jan 9th, 2019 09:26 pm
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"Yup think I'm going to charter for a while and take it from there, my only concern is that they seem to want to charter the boat out and it will mostly only be 2 of us are the chances good that there will be other people needing heads to fill a boat"
Depends on how much you pay..someone though has to pay for the fuel, which on a trip to the deep and back could run into a few grand!
Willems suggestion sounds like the WIN!

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 Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 02:51 am
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willem wikkel spies Wow that would be awesome to be part of a club to learn from I see you are in Heidelberg,So I take it that it's a Gauteng based club yes please send me the details much appreciated.

    Last edited on Thu Jan 10th, 2019 03:05 am by WILD SCOT

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     Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 04:12 pm
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    You have been on one charter only and you liked it.
    Well.....I have been going on Charters for past 15 years and now sort of had enough - looking for the boat.
    I had fantastic days and bad experience too.
    Lately I charter the whole boat or share with one friend . R4500-5000 for bottom and little bit of trolling
    or Marlin Trip R 9000 + ( its a must to try)

    Charters where you share with many ( 4-10 people ) I don't do any more unless I am really desperate.
    Why ?
    1. You get many idiots that come to fish of boat thinking its a buzz party ( Dec-Jan)
    2.  Many that was partying previous night and barley can hold rod. Not to mention coming late as alarm did not wake them up -  lost many hours waiting for others to arrive.
    3.  Those sea sick that will vomit on your legs and shoes
    4.   Those that will lie on deck floor in front of your legs sea sick and crying to be taken back
    5.   I nearly escaped two heavy sinkers flying in my face
    6.  I was hooked on the jacket and once on my hand by anglers next to me
    7.   Constant tangling on the drift with others and spending long time untangling
    8.   Often found Rusted hooks on Charter tackle that you really don't want to get hooked on
    9.  Blocked with my hand sea barbel flying in my face due to inexperienced angler next to me. I was so lucky that time...... got a tiny scratch by spike and that pain was to be remembered but escaped getting it in face
    10.  Skipper taking chance on bad weather day and huge surf ( usually Dec-Jan) - I ended in hospital with cracked heel. We went airborne and smashed down. Spent rest of holiday on crutches.Fine example of skipper taking chances - search "Big Mama Down " on youtube .
    11.  Poor state of charter tackle  - bad reels , bad line etc..
    12. Booking issues - no availability ( Dec-Jan)
    13. Trip canceled as charter did not have enough people for trip despite beautiful weather.  Ended paying extra so we went out . Then not enough money raised so we did not go far or look hard for fish as not to spend too much of petrol.

    Now I fish ONLY few approved charters and with my tackle only unless its a Marlin trip.
    I know that Boat is a huge financial burden  but I think nothing can replace the joy of doing what you want to do and not what charter skipper does.
    You can launch boat when you want and explore different fishing techniques and you will be in constant search for new reefs with more fish and not visiting only close by reefs ( charter) with no fish .  Then night trip is also an experience of its own.
    And then - I promise you , Once you experience Marlin screaming out the Tiagra , you wont stop thinking of your own boat.  
    Then you may like to try some competitions and so on.

    For sure - go and try more charters before you think of boat. Join the club as Willem suggested,  it may be a better way for you to get more boat time.

    just my 2c







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     Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 04:30 pm
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    WILD SCOT
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    Gee thanks for the sober truth of what to be aware of I think you just made up my mind, I think I will be getting my own boat but not right now,I will be trying to gain as much knowledge and experience in the next 2 years by joining a club and using charters, as well as my skippers and hopefully by then will be able to make a descent desision on a boat, as it is I'm very cautious by nature and will not take kindly to a skipper endangering me, I also do like the idea of doing my own thing I will just have to go often enough to justify the boat and that is not a bad thing, thank you all for the input and advice I really appreciate it.

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     Posted: Thu Jan 10th, 2019 04:36 pm
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    Amen DS

    My Opinnion, Charter the boat rather than to share!Big no no! Cost a bit more but you dont have the "***" as explained in DS brief!

    You seriously get wild cowboys in the surf, showofs ! Safety must come first no matter what to your crew onboard, no monkey stuff!
    You can report this to SAMSA, with boat registration number only!

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    Hi Wild scot
    Just get a jetski alot cheaper to run and you can off load and loat it your self.
    I was in the same situation as you are in now till i did my skippers and got a jetski no more worrys for me now just go and fish

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    WILD SCOT wrote:
    willem wikkel spies Wow that would be awesome to be part of a club to learn from I see you are in Heidelberg,So I take it that it's a Gauteng based club yes please send me the details much appreciated.


      Wild Scot.

      the best is, not all our members do own boats.
      but the fishing opportunities do arise quite often.


      Call Chrsitine Dittberner via cell.
      ask her for membership forms etc.


      new members are always welcome.
      we are a new club, without frills or fusses.


      her cell is zero 8 too 3 sewe drie vyf 9 sewe 8

      just tell her Pottie gave you her number.

      hope to see you soon.

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      willem wikkel spies
      thank you very much, fishing opportunities, would be great but I just want to hook up with guys that I can learn from I can charter till I have my skippers license and am confident enough to purchase my own boat will definitely be seeing you soon.

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      willem wikkel spies
      thank you very much, fishing opportunities, would be great but I just want to hook up with guys that I can learn from I can charter till I have my skippers license and am confident enough to purchase my own boat will definitely be seeing you soon.

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      sorry don't know why it posted twice:?:?

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      WILD SCOT wrote:
      willem wikkel spies
      thank you very much, fishing opportunities, would be great but I just want to hook up with guys that I can learn from I can charter till I have my skippers license and am confident enough to purchase my own boat will definitely be seeing you soon.


      this is exactly what our club does.

      apart from fishing inter clubs, we arrange social events/ trips.
      so you make more friends and get more opportunities to fish and cost wise, even less

      look at our up and coming trip, look at the costs.
      show me, where you can spend that amount for 5-6 days fishing weather permitting.

      the whole day, no quick charter money making scheme.
      including accommodation and food.


      but hey, no worries enjoy.
      others will see and read the posts and they might jump at the opportunity.

      the club is situated in ….midstream centurion "club house"
      members are from the whole of joburg.

      just note, we are a new and small and still growing club.
      we need new members too.

      so join now, fees are not bad, R 500 joining and R 500 a year.
      children are R 200.


      see you there!!

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      When you get more serious, owning your own boat allows you to decide what you target, where you fish etc. Its not only about cost of the fishing trip. If your not serious and just want to get out, rather charter. Owning a boat is not only about the purchase price. Altimayely rather find a friend with a boat...

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      Speaking of which, I'm between boats. Looking for a ride.will share waypoints and provide sarmies ;)

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      HI Bennie, What happened, Where is "Which Craft"?

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